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So, I have eaten edibles before. I had a half a brownie tonight my boy mad and holy ****. I am stoned. Its such a good stoned as well. The best part was it only cost like 20 dollars. He used some old 9th ward New Orleans swag. For people that dont know, its real shitty weed. I would never use good bud for edibles again. I think the guy has a gift. lol

Anyone ever had something like this?
 

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We don't pay that in Colorado. And yes, its an experience.

Its better if someone has smoked before and likes it, wouldn't reccomend to a beginner, and in high doses can easily lead to the fear and requested hospital trips and panic attacks.

It lasts about 6 hours instead of 1 or 2 from smoking, so if you take too much its going to be a long journey when 1 minute can seem like eternity if you are getting a psychadelic effect and the reason I would still use good bud no matter how you consume it.
 

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I should add that at this point it is best not to panic, to realize the only danger is the panic, and to take deep breaths first, then drink some water, and eat something snacky. It will be ok. Now find something to distract his/her mind like a good comedy movie, something not dark, but maybe a cartoon or anime that is really interesting. The very best thing you could do for your friend, is put on a nature video about amazing wildlife if it is not possible or safe or comfortable to actually be in nature itself. Learn to not eat as an act of self control against the terrible odds of the munchies, or eat healthy and enjoy being healthy is sometimes much more satisfying than giving in to the munchies just as it is so when you are not stoned.

Remember, food can kill an inhaled high, but eating fatty foods on an edible could make you even higher!!! so keep it to water and tea for the over eager traveler, or something fat free.
 

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I've heard stuff about paranoia / panic attacks with edibles. Doesn't sound fun.
 

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I should add that at this point it is best not to panic, to realize the only danger is the panic, and to take deep breaths first, then drink some water, and eat something snacky. It will be ok. Now find something to distract his/her mind like a good comedy movie, something not dark, but maybe a cartoon or anime that is really interesting. The very best thing you could do for your friend, is put on a nature video about amazing wildlife if it is not possible or safe or comfortable to actually be in nature itself. Learn to not eat as an act of self control against the terrible odds of the munchies, or eat healthy and enjoy being healthy is sometimes much more satisfying than giving in to the munchies just as it is so when you are not stoned.

Remember, food can kill an inhaled high, but eating fatty foods on an edible could make you even higher!!! so keep it to water and tea for the over eager traveler, or something fat free.

Hmm, I have never heard that before.
 

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the last time I did that I ended up in debows pidgeon coop [video=youtube;SHCmjWqEJDo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHCmjWqEJDo[/video]
 

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I've heard stuff about paranoia / panic attacks with edibles. Doesn't sound fun.

its just not something you should jump into the deep end of the pool. coming to accept your mortality is a benefit to experiencign this, and you can have an ego death where the worry about dieing isn't going to trouble you as much. Its kinda like the expelling of our cultural fear of death from your person by being forced to face the reality of it head on.

I wouldn't worry about it, there is much pleasure to be had (enhances music, sex, food....some of lifes greatest pleasures)....its worth exploring if you are ok with the dangers. I just don't think its good to be immature, uninformed, or cavalier about manipulating your brain.

Its not for everyone, though clearly many like it. I just think you should vape some, and not just once or three times but explore it a little. The first hit is always overpowering if you get after it, like say an entire Vape bag when you haven't been building any tolerance can floor you and put you into a panic attack if you are a novice. but this is easy to eat yourself down from and passes in about an hour.

With the edible you are trapped for an afternnon or an evening, so if its too much and you aren't experienced with accepting your ego death you will fight it, and it will fight with fear and your breathing can get messed up, or even forget to breathe, you lose the automaticity a little and you need to keep focusing on your breath and breathe until you are used to that space of heavy bud intoxication.

You can not even achieve this state really if you smoke everyday as your brain chemicals get sapped and can't release the same effect. So smoking everyday is not what the power tripper like myself do.

first, dry out. Take 40 days off and clean the system.

next, don't smoke everyday. Take 3-7 days off frequently to recalibrate your brain for maximum effect. In this way I can use bud more as a psychadelic by minimizing my tolerance to it. I am a bad panic smoker, so it took me time to master my ego death.

I am very sensitive and seek ways to get maximum dosage as often as possible, the tranquil smokes are not what I am after. I am after the peak experiences.

Just try vaping and watching a favorite movie, or a comedy you have never seen. You can really get into the psyche of the director and notice more than you ever have before.

I recently shared a brownie with a friend visiting from Chicago for the Cutler injured leg game against Detroit we would have won if McCown started probably. Anyway, we each had half as I didn't want to be too far gone if he had problems, but within an hour he was saying....

take me to the hospital. and thought my refusal meant that I was going to let him die. when he started vomiting I seriously considered calling an ambulance, but then a 10$ brownie becomes $1000 day or more. My explaining fears and panic to him in this state basically sounded like I wasn't listening to his fears and I call this....

internal attributions for external sensations. You start really tripping out about what is going on with your body processes, breathing, pains, discomfort. and because you are doing something new and its unfamiliar feelings you can easiliy panic, and nothing anyone can tell you will convince you your ok if you don't accept the death, have fun with it, just go with it, be ok with dieing or you will keep fighting against this fear.

This particular friend and I drowned in a car accident that was my fault. I drove us into a river and when I pulled him out 5 minutes later he was unconscious with water full lungs.

I myself lost consciousness at least once under water, and if I hadn't come to and found a broken back window big enough to pull through (the roof was crushed down making windows in front cage too small and doors jammed) we both would have been lost for sure. After that period I would always go straight to ego death and had experienced many. Him and I are like ghosts in our psyche a little because we came back so close to the edge.
 

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Rask you ever done dmt?
 

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its just not something you should jump into the deep end of the pool. coming to accept your mortality is a benefit to experiencign this, and you can have an ego death where the worry about dieing isn't going to trouble you as much. Its kinda like the expelling of our cultural fear of death from your person by being forced to face the reality of it head on.

I wouldn't worry about it, there is much pleasure to be had (enhances music, sex, food....some of lifes greatest pleasures)....its worth exploring if you are ok with the dangers. I just don't think its good to be immature, uninformed, or cavalier about manipulating your brain.

Its not for everyone, though clearly many like it. I just think you should vape some, and not just once or three times but explore it a little. The first hit is always overpowering if you get after it, like say an entire Vape bag when you haven't been building any tolerance can floor you and put you into a panic attack if you are a novice. but this is easy to eat yourself down from and passes in about an hour.

With the edible you are trapped for an afternnon or an evening, so if its too much and you aren't experienced with accepting your ego death you will fight it, and it will fight with fear and your breathing can get messed up, or even forget to breathe, you lose the automaticity a little and you need to keep focusing on your breath and breathe until you are used to that space of heavy bud intoxication.

You can not even achieve this state really if you smoke everyday as your brain chemicals get sapped and can't release the same effect. So smoking everyday is not what the power tripper like myself do.

first, dry out. Take 40 days off and clean the system.

next, don't smoke everyday. Take 3-7 days off frequently to recalibrate your brain for maximum effect. In this way I can use bud more as a psychadelic by minimizing my tolerance to it. I am a bad panic smoker, so it took me time to master my ego death.

I am very sensitive and seek ways to get maximum dosage as often as possible, the tranquil smokes are not what I am after. I am after the peak experiences.

Just try vaping and watching a favorite movie, or a comedy you have never seen. You can really get into the psyche of the director and notice more than you ever have before.

I recently shared a brownie with a friend visiting from Chicago for the Cutler injured leg game against Detroit we would have won if McCown started probably. Anyway, we each had half as I didn't want to be too far gone if he had problems, but within an hour he was saying....

take me to the hospital. and thought my refusal meant that I was going to let him die. when he started vomiting I seriously considered calling an ambulance, but then a 10$ brownie becomes $1000 day or more. My explaining fears and panic to him in this state basically sounded like I wasn't listening to his fears and I call this....

internal attributions for external sensations. You start really tripping out about what is going on with your body processes, breathing, pains, discomfort. and because you are doing something new and its unfamiliar feelings you can easiliy panic, and nothing anyone can tell you will convince you your ok if you don't accept the death, have fun with it, just go with it, be ok with dieing or you will keep fighting against this fear.

This particular friend and I drowned in a car accident that was my fault. I drove us into a river and when I pulled him out 5 minutes later he was unconscious with water full lungs.

I myself lost consciousness at least once under water, and if I hadn't come to and found a broken back window big enough to pull through (the roof was crushed down making windows in front cage too small and doors jammed) we both would have been lost for sure. After that period I would always go straight to ego death and had experienced many. Him and I are like ghosts in our psyche a little because we came back so close to the edge.

And people wonder why they resist making this stuff legal??
 

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Rask you ever done dmt?

I will someday probably. I would prefer to do it in a near to nature setting, preferably in South America with a few trusted friends there to support or join, and I would like to train my fitness to a near perfect level in order to avoid my affinity to the ego death experience. If my body feels secure and safe, I am more likely to have a positive trip.

I have never done acid, sonoran toad venom, mushrooms with the oldest living organisms on earth the giant sequoia's, but I would like to.

I have such a natural disposition to tripping that I have had profound experiences just with pot, and tried more severe psychadelics just twice in low doses. One trip was great, opened my mind to many things and a deeper truer spirituality, in the other I thought that my two friends and I were this three headed dragon image on their screen saver, and I was like "thats us, you are dragons and so am I."

And then they both simeoltaneiously said "its ok its time to come with us", and I thought they were demons and it was time for my soul to be collected, and in fact I had been dead since my car accident (accepting that life was real was difficult for me after my near drowning I think because of the blackouts with little explanation for how I survived, I simply came to after losing consciousness and escaped, likely I floated to an air bubble when I stopped struggling and maybe that reoriented my up/down positioning as we were trapped upside down) but I don't know how I came to and found a breathe as it was pitch black dark

So I beleived them and I went white as a ghost, and followed my friend and passed out taking the first stair, fell on my face/head on the last stair, everything I could to start breathing and stand up"I'm ok", then fell down the next flight. and the next flight (sets of about 8 stairs from the third story)....

I pulled myself up at the bottom but had such a massive concussion I kept asking them why they were stairing at me. (I had blood on my face and broken nose) and I couldn't remember their answer with the concussion so about the 5th time I asked why they were staring at me, and touched my face and saw the blood and freaked out, they were pretty worried and wanted to go hospital. I was a felon at that time, and was able to convince them not to thank god.

So...if you learned anything....just remember set and setting. That nature can be beautiful if you are capable of reaching it, and be with people you trust who will make you feel safe. Avoid cliffs and balconies (a young man recently jumped from a hotel on an edible, the dangers are real for amateurs)


But as for legality. I mean.....what would happen if I just decided to try drinking at 18 for the first time, and drank a liter of whiskey?

Bad things I likely won't remember much of.

People just jump in and take edibles without assessing their dose.

Look at this article from CNN....this is the type of idiot I am talking about. Weed is getting all this buzz, and people say oh maybe its not so bad I would like to try that. Then she buys a $30 cookie( with who knows how many milligrams of THC, I can handle up to 200 but I am 250 lbs and experienced), my friend was begging me to take him to the hospital on 50mg. Half of one brownie. But the brownie is 4x, so I dosed him double for his first time, it was my fault and stupid, and even with a friend there with experience when he was in full on panic attack 1 hr in with 5 hrs to go I thought we were in trouble.)

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/03/living/weed-colorado-family-vacation/index.html?iref=allsearch


this woman didn't enjoy it, she didn't really actually try it in my opinion. Its like saying you didn't like drinking 20 beers so I will never drink again. OK. But you didn't really drink properly at all. You had no clue what you were jumping into,

the sad part is she wanted to relax, probably is an uptight family ***** who really needed to snap her cultural boundaries and rethink her attitudes about what is good in life and what is important, but she won't do it again and had a bad experience because she took to much.
 

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Re the DMT comment, another one to take a look at - Ayahuasca (which may or may not contain DMT from my understanding). I know some folks making a documentary about it. Not done yet, but if any of you are interested I will post it here when it's complete.
 

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Re the DMT comment, another one to take a look at - Ayahuasca (which may or may not contain DMT from my understanding). I know some folks making a documentary about it. Not done yet, but if any of you are interested I will post it here when it's complete.

yeah....of Ole is a doctor he might have been referencing actual injectable DMT, I am not interested in that as I believe the plants like cannabis and ayahuasca that have chemicals that effect us often have protective factors as well and should not be seperated from the plant. We are seeing this in colorado as people are using hexane methods and other forms of THC extraction and then infusing the distilled product into edibles.

This isn't healthy or safe and besides seperating out protective cannibinoids and flooding your brain with just one by itself (similar in my mind to taking synthetic and the dangers with that)

but mind you, pharmacies want it to be illiegal so they can sell you the synthetic version.

I would not inject DMT, but I am discussing only taking it with Ayahuasca preferably with an experienced Shaman or Elder who has walked many other people through the trip.
I believe respecting the power of the experience is the first step to getting positives out of it, and just taking things willy nilly for funny shit to happen is no different than binge drinking. Binge drinking ayahuasca could be dangerous, and our cavalier attitude toward.....I think I'm rambling.
 

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This isn't healthy or safe and besides seperating out protective cannibinoids and flooding your brain with just one by itself (similar in my mind to taking synthetic and the dangers with that)

Isn't this kind of what is happening with the new "stronger" strains of cannabis?

Modern growing techniques have dramatically increased the amount of THC, the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana. In the process of cultivating more potent strains of pot, growers have also been breeding out a little-known ingredient called cannabidiol that seems to buffer the effects of THC. So today's high-octane pot actually contains a double-whammy - more THC, and less of the protective CBD or cannabidiol.

Studies are now showing that this "imbalance" increases the possibility of psychosis, particularly among younger users.
 

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Isn't this kind of what is happening with the new "stronger" strains of cannabis?

Modern growing techniques have dramatically increased the amount of THC, the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana. In the process of cultivating more potent strains of pot, growers have also been breeding out a little-known ingredient called cannabidiol that seems to buffer the effects of THC. So today's high-octane pot actually contains a double-whammy - more THC, and less of the protective CBD or cannabidiol.

Studies are now showing that this "imbalance" increases the possibility of psychosis, particularly among younger users.

yes....and there are about 100 cannibinoids in pot and they don't know exactly how it all works or what does exactly what.

CBD is the big cancer fighting one, but it also acts as an amplifier to the duration of THC. So, for me chasing a big long psychoactive effect, I want the CBD but unless I search a specific place I can assume it didn't make it to the cookie.

The place I go is all organic grown in soil. Most hydroponics systems involve lots of chemicals as well as plastic hosing. Plastic hosing ends up putting toxic essense into the soil of the plant your growing.....to smoke.

So what you see is problems arrizzing as usual do to mass production and the American ideals of making money over customer protection. Its hard to control the misinformation and propoganda machines helped along by corporations as well as spats with the alchohol and big pharmacy sectors and governments trying to collect taxes.

We are very busy fighting each other for scraps as humans as not busy trying to make the products and solutions that are best for human health and earth wellness. We are work individually to cheat each other out of as much as we can and when its your health I don't mind feeding my plant through plastic hosing that isn't food grade or pcb free, I'm trying to produce as much as I can for as little as I can.

Asking the corrupt FDA to step in on this issue would be dreaming, they cannot even tell McDonalds not to do that, or figure out ways to ban bad growing practices from making it to our tables. It seems all we care about is the sale, not the aftermath, and because our society is geared toward production and sales we don't actually pay the true cost of everything.

To me the price of oil should include rights acquisition, shipping, refining, clean-up, and an equal ratio to reduction of green house gasses that that gallon of gas will produce on average. Chevron would love to tell you how many billions they put into cleanup, but the earth is not the same as before they exercised their well rights, and they didn't pay the full cost of fixing the problems selling their product cause we couldn't afford gas.

And the same is with food production, and clothing production all over the world. We don't pay the true cost if we don't pay the cost of clean-up. Or if we don't pay a fair wage to the workers. We are cutting costs, and its at their expense. They suffer and get paid a handful of rice so that we can run around paying quarter costs of everthing.
 

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I did not know you could inject dmt

[video=youtube;CiqzHzAx4ro]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiqzHzAx4ro[/video] this is a movie about Doctors injecting DMT in a controlled experiment. I would welcome input and crituque on this documentary as I have some things to discuss about it.
 

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[video=youtube;CiqzHzAx4ro]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiqzHzAx4ro[/video] this is a movie about Doctors injecting DMT in a controlled experiment. I would welcome input and crituque on this documentary as I have some things to discuss about it.

I watched it a while back but my memory of it is spotty. I seem to
Remember joe rogan narrating and being a douche
 

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