Every Fields sack against Green Bay, for the “geniuses” that are saying that he “held onto the ball to long”

[run and shoot]

JF doesn't even have a center. C'mon you can't be serious if you're trying to say this pressure / sackage video is a one off. The OL problems are well documented.


"Good news is there is a 4 game stretch without fields.. amazing how the sacks where so much much lower with that same OL isn't it?"

Right and bagINT under pressure threw 6 INTS in those 4 games. I understand this video doesn't fit your negative view of JF.

Bagent made the offensive line look much improved. Bagent is a rookie backup, he will throw picks. Not sure why the INTs matter, it makes Fields look worse when you put it this way.

So lets be clear...I have nothing against Bagent. I spoke highly of his mobility when he was signed.
What I don't go along with ...is the "amazing how the sacks where so much much lower with that same OL isn't it?" narrative. I don't go along with ppl promoting the idea that Bagent was this "great quick release Qb " vs JF. Fact is when under pressure he threw 6 picks Yeah. I get that he's a rookie.

 

[dennehy]

So lets be clear...I have nothing against Bagent. I spoke highly of his mobility when he was signed.
What I don't go along with ...is the "amazing how the sacks where so much much lower with that same OL isn't it?" narrative. I don't go along with ppl promoting the idea that Bagent was this "great quick release Qb " vs JF. Fact is when under pressure he threw 6 picks Yeah. I get that he's a rookie.

Bagent INT, no pressure

Week 9: Saints Marcus Maye's interception off Bears QB Tyson Bagent

www.neworleanssaints.com

Bagent INT, no pressure

Ja'Sir Taylor Highlight: Sideline Interception vs. Bears' Rookie QB Tyson Bagent

www.chargers.com

Bagent INT, with pressure that comes after about 3 seconds and he steps up too far in pocket.

Bagent INT, no pressure

Bagent INT, no pressure (0:47)

You've got your head out of your ass. He wasn't pressured on any of the INTs. He was barely pressured at all in the entire NO game.

 

[run and shoot]

Bagent INT, no pressure

Week 9: Saints Marcus Maye's interception off Bears QB Tyson Bagent

www.neworleanssaints.com

Bagent INT, no pressure

Ja'Sir Taylor Highlight: Sideline Interception vs. Bears' Rookie QB Tyson Bagent

www.chargers.com

Bagent INT, with pressure that comes after about 3 seconds and he steps up too far in pocket.

Bagent INT, no pressure

Bagent INT, no pressure (0:47)

You've got your head out of your ass. He wasn't pressured on any of the INTs. He was barely pressured at all in the entire NO game.

Then it's you with your head up your ass, I'm basically giving the benefit of doubt. Then you come along and say he wasn't under pressure. That's even worse if he threw 6 INTS. in 4 games not under pressure.

"Bagent INT, with pressure that comes after about 3 seconds and he steps up too far in pocket."

the left side collapsed....there was a guy in his face. It's hard to tell, but it looks like just 4 rushers vs 5 in pass pro

I'll come back later and analyze the other protections

 

[dennehy]

Then it's you with your head up your ass, I'm basically giving the benefit of doubt. Then you come along and say he wasn't under pressure. That's even worse if he threw 6 INTS. in 4 games not under pressure.

"Bagent INT, with pressure that comes after about 3 seconds and he steps up too far in pocket."

the left side collapsed....there was a guy in his face. It's hard to tell, but it looks like just 4 rushers vs 5 in pass pro

I'll come back later and analyze the other protections

You're an idiot. He's not under any pressure on 5 of them. He's under a bit of late pressure on the last one. If you can't 'analyze' those 10 seconds it further shows that you are an idiot. I'll save you the time: he's not under any pressure in any of them.

You're whole point was that he threw so many INTs, and took so few sacks, because he threw under pressure, because the OL sucks. And this was as a justification for Fields getting sacked so much. Above you seem to think you were making the argument that Bagent is bad, but that's not the point you were making. You can't even keep your argument straight.

I showed this was untrue, that you are either an idiot or a liar.

 

[run and shoot]

You're an idiot. He's not under any pressure on 5 of them. He's under a bit of late pressure on the last one. If you can't 'analyze' those 10 seconds it further shows that you are an idiot. I'll save you the time: he's not under any pressure in any of them.

You're whole point was that he threw so many INTs, and took so few sacks, because he threw under pressure, because the OL sucks. And this was as a justification for Fields getting sacked so much. Above you seem to think you were making the argument that Bagent is bad, but that's not the point you were making. You can't even keep your argument straight.

I showed this was untrue, that you are either an idiot or a liar.

Hey you need to calm the phuck down. Your name calling while trying to prove the is throwing INTS while NOT UNDER PRESSURE.

Week 9: Saints Marcus Maye's interception off Bears QB Tyson Bagent

www.neworleanssaints.com

I can't see the protection on this one the video is cut off. send a full display.

Ja'Sir Taylor Highlight: Sideline Interception vs. Bears' Rookie QB Tyson Bagent

www.chargers.com

Okay so here there's no pressure and he still throws a INT.

Ja'Sir Taylor Highlight: Sideline Interception vs. Bears' Rookie QB Tyson Bagent

www.chargers.com

Here he throws a INT right to a defender. The video is making fun of him. No pressure and he still throws a INT.

I didn't go all the footage here ....I'm gotta get going. @2:10 he's under pressure. @2:20 the horribly long developing "getsy routes" stresses the OL and puts Bagent in yet another pressure situation where he has to use his mobility to buy time. @2:36 no seal yet another pressure situation

My point

I'm basically giving the benefit of doubt. Then you come along and say he wasn't under pressure. That's even worse if he threw 6 INTS. in 4 games not under pressure. But go ahead digress to name calling vs analyzing the footage carefully

 

[dennehy]

Hey you need to calm the phuck down. Your name calling while trying to prove the is throwing INTS while NOT UNDER PRESSURE.

Week 9: Saints Marcus Maye's interception off Bears QB Tyson Bagent

www.neworleanssaints.com

I can't see the protection on this one the video is cut off. send a full display.

Ja'Sir Taylor Highlight: Sideline Interception vs. Bears' Rookie QB Tyson Bagent

www.chargers.com

Okay so here there's no pressure and he still throws a INT.

Ja'Sir Taylor Highlight: Sideline Interception vs. Bears' Rookie QB Tyson Bagent

www.chargers.com

Here he throws a INT right to a defender. The video is making fun of him. No pressure and he still throws a INT.

I didn't go all the footage here ....I'm gotta get going. @2:10 he's under pressure. @2:20 the horribly long developing "getsy routes" stresses the OL and puts Bagent in yet another pressure situation where he has to use his mobility to buy time. @2:36 no seal yet another pressure situation

My point

I'm basically giving the benefit of doubt. Then you come along and say he wasn't under pressure. That's even worse if he threw 6 INTS. in 4 games not under

If your point was that Bagent threw alot of INTs and that means he wasn't good, then you would make sense.

But your point has been that he threw the INTs because he was under pressure. And that explains why he wasn't sacked nearly as much as Fields was, because the whole point for you has been to defend Fields. But Bagent wasn't under pressure for the INTs. He really was barely under pressure against New Orleans. So your point about Fields was shit.

I know you lack either the character or intelligence to actually admit this. That's why I'm calling you names. Because you act like a *****.

 

[run and shoot]

Hey you need to calm the phuck down. Your name calling while trying to prove the is throwing INTS while NOT UNDER PRESSURE.

Week 9: Saints Marcus Maye's interception off Bears QB Tyson Bagent

www.neworleanssaints.com

I can't see the protection on this one the video is cut off. send a full display.

Ja'Sir Taylor Highlight: Sideline Interception vs. Bears' Rookie QB Tyson Bagent

www.chargers.com

Okay so here there's no pressure and he still throws a INT.

Ja'Sir Taylor Highlight: Sideline Interception vs. Bears' Rookie QB Tyson Bagent

www.chargers.com

Here he throws a INT right to a defender. The video is making fun of him. No pressure and he still throws a INT.

I didn't go all the footage here ....I'm gotta get going. @2:10 he's under pressure. @2:20 the horribly long developing "getsy routes" stresses the OL and puts Bagent in yet another pressure situation where he has to use his mobility to buy time. @2:36 no seal yet another pressure situation

My point

I'm basically giving the benefit of doubt. Then you come along and say he wasn't under pressure. That's even worse if he threw 6 INTS. in 4 games not under pressure. But go ahead digress to name calling vs analyzing the footage carefully

If your point was that Bagent threw alot of INTs and that means he wasn't good, then you would make sense.

But your point has been that he threw the INTs because he was under pressure. And that explains why he wasn't sacked nearly as much as Fields was, because the whole point for you has been to defend Fields. But Bagent wasn't under pressure for the INTs. He really was barely under pressure against New Orleans. So your point about Fields was shit.

I know you lack either the character or intelligence to actually admit this. That's why I'm calling you names. Because you act like a *****.

He was under pressure and I pointed it out in the timestamps( review them)..... and when he wasn't. There's NO lack of character, nor football intelligence. I showed both scenarios where he threw INTS, You didn't like it. So you avoided it like a female on a period and then u go into initiating, bleeding, *****-azz name calling in links #264 & #266 I know you wanna promote the "JF can't get rid of the ball quick" narrative. And the "JF can't process, holds the ball to long" narrative.

Also I said earlier in link #262 >>So lets be clear...I have nothing against Bagent. I spoke highly of his mobility when he was signed. Anytime45 can verify this. >>#394

In those videos Bagent. uses his mobility to avoid pressure. So you're lying on me when you say
"the whole point for you has been to defend Fields". I've shown both sides of the coin.

 

[dennehy]

He was under pressure and I pointed it out in the timestamps( review them)..... and when he wasn't. There's NO lack of character, nor football intelligence. I showed both scenarios where he threw INTS, You didn't like it. So you avoided it like a female on a period and then u go into initiating, bleeding, *****-azz name calling in links #264 & #266 I know you wanna promote the "JF can't get rid of the ball quick" narrative. And the "JF can't process, holds the ball to long" narrative.

Also I said earlier in link #262 >>So lets be clear...I have nothing against Bagent. I spoke highly of his mobility when he was signed. Anytime45 can verify this. >>#394

In those videos Bagent. uses his mobility to avoid pressure. So you're lying on me when you say
"the whole point for you has been to defend Fields". I've shown both sides of the coin.

You are a fucking idiot. He was under pressure 3 times in 30-some dropbacks. That is not under pressure much.

I'm not promoting anything, other than Bagent wasn't under pressure when he threw the interceptions, which invalidates your argument.

And as I said, you have no character so you can't admit it. You just assumed he was under pressure because that suits your narrative. But it's wrong. Here's what you wrote:

Right and bagINT under pressure threw 6 INTS in those 4 games. I understand this video doesn't fit your negative view of JF.

What I don't go along with ...is the "amazing how the sacks where so much much lower with that same OL isn't it?" narrative. I don't go along with ppl promoting the idea that Bagent was this "great quick release Qb " vs JF. Fact is when under pressure he threw 6 picks Yeah. I get that he's a rookie.

He wasn't under pressure though, which anyone can see by watching the links.

 

[Starion]

^ Just put him on ignore dennehy. Valiant effort for trying to debate, but that's a real thing with forums. Gonna run into a few like that. The Ignore feature is great.

 

[dennehy]

^ Just put him on ignore dennehy. Valiant effort for trying to debate, but that's a real thing with forums. Gonna run into a few like that. The Ignore feature is great.

Yeah, I know what's going to happen if I engage. Sometimes I can't resist.

 

[inchibearfan]

IF Fields is traded, what other GMs in the league think of him will be shown by the draft picks received by him in a trade. The speculation is a 2nd rounder. If the Bears receive a 2nd round pick, the league essentially views him slightly above Sam Darnold.

 

[run and shoot]

You are a fucking idiot. He was under pressure 3 times in 30-some dropbacks. That is not under pressure much.

I'm not promoting anything, other than Bagent wasn't under pressure when he threw the interceptions, which invalidates your argument.

And as I said, you have no character so you can't admit it. You just assumed he was under pressure because that suits your narrative. But it's wrong. Here's what you wrote:

Right and bagINT under pressure threw 6 INTS in those 4 games. I understand this video doesn't fit your negative view of JF.

What I don't go along with ...is the "amazing how the sacks where so much much lower with that same OL isn't it?" narrative. I don't go along with ppl promoting the idea that Bagent was this "great quick release Qb " vs JF. Fact is when under pressure he threw 6 picks Yeah. I get that he's a rookie.

He wasn't under pressure though, which anyone can see by watching the links.

In link #266

@2:10 he's under pressure. @2:20 the horribly long developing "getsy routes" stresses the OL and puts Bagent in yet another pressure situation where he has to use his mobility to buy time. @2:36 no seal yet another pressure situation


My point.....

I'm basically giving the benefit of doubt. ( AND LIKE A IDIOT) >>> Then you come along and say he wasn't under pressure. That's even worse if he threw 6 INTS. in 4 games not under pressure.

He was under pressure and I pointed it out in the timestamps( review them)#265 ..... and when he wasn't under pressure. There's NO lack of character, nor football intelligence.

i went the extra mile I showed both scenarios where he threw INTS, I'm about done here

 

[Spitta Andretti]

the decision cant come fast enough so we can move the **** on already

 

[Xplosive]

Defenses are not dumb, they adjust their approach based on the QBs skills. Once it became obvious that Bagent is an experienced game manager that can quickly dink and dunk the defense will blitz less, try to prevent the short passes and bait him into longer throws which means less sacks and more interceptions.

The OLine didn't improve but Getsy's play calling is better suited for a game manager.

 

[dennehy]

Defenses are not dumb, they adjust their approach based on the QBs skills. Once it became obvious that Bagent is an experienced game manager that can quickly dink and dunk the defense will blitz less, try to prevent the short passes and bait him into longer throws which means less sacks and more interceptions.

The OLine didn't improve but Getsy's play calling is better suited for a game manager.

Bagent was blitzed slightly more per game than Fields though.

Got rid of the ball or experienced pressure at a slightly lower average duration (2.8 Fields v 2.6 Bagent).

Where they are very different is %pressured, where Fields was 26.5 (third highest), and Bagent was at 16.8.

 

[dbldrew]

Bagent was blitzed slightly more per game than Fields though.

Got rid of the ball or experienced pressure at a slightly lower average duration (2.8 Fields v 2.6 Bagent).

Where they are very different is %pressured, where Fields was 26.5 (third highest), and Bagent was at 16.8.

and when you look at the time to throw stat Fields is the absolute worst with a 3.23 seconds vs Bagent being 14th worst at 2.89

This whole thread was to attempt to shift blame off of Fields and onto the OL. Unfortunately for the "its everybody elses fault" crowd the numbers do not support that. Fields holds the ball too long.. he always has.

 

[SugarWalls]

He was under pressure and I pointed it out in the timestamps( review them)..... and when he wasn't. There's NO lack of character, nor football intelligence. I showed both scenarios where he threw INTS, You didn't like it. So you avoided it like a female on a period and then u go into initiating, bleeding, *****-azz name calling in links #264 & #266 I know you wanna promote the "JF can't get rid of the ball quick" narrative. And the "JF can't process, holds the ball to long" narrative.

Also I said earlier in link #262 >>So lets be clear...I have nothing against Bagent. I spoke highly of his mobility when he was signed. Anytime45 can verify this. >>#394

In those videos Bagent. uses his mobility to avoid pressure. So you're lying on me when you say
"the whole point for you has been to defend Fields". I've shown both sides of the coin.

Your links aren’t working

 

[run and shoot]

Your links aren’t working

From link #77 Fields: Lost his Balls??? thread

Fields: Lost his Balls??? thread........
1st - I don’t read run and shoot so i apologize for that but the clear vibe of the board is concern for fields, don’t lump people in with run and shoot

2 - the situation he should throw is the one where people are open. He needs to learn to throw it to the open guy?

3 - fine, but now we are speculating on speculation? Seems like a waste of time or pointless mind reading regardless
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Sigh....you're initiating contact with me. I never initiate contact with you.
A while back u said ya didn't read my comments/ posts.....keep it way from here on out.

 

[SugarWalls]

From link #77 Fields: Lost his Balls??? thread

Fields: Lost his Balls??? thread........
1st - I don’t read run and shoot so i apologize for that but the clear vibe of the board is concern for fields, don’t lump people in with run and shoot

2 - the situation he should throw is the one where people are open. He needs to learn to throw it to the open guy?

3 - fine, but now we are speculating on speculation? Seems like a waste of time or pointless mind reading regardless
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Sigh....you're initiating contact with me. I never initiate contact with you.
A while back u said ya didn't read my comments/ posts.....keep it way from here on out.

I keep trying that link but it’s not hecking working, kinda frustrating

 

[run and shoot]

From link #77 Fields: Lost his Balls??? thread

Fields: Lost his Balls??? thread........
1st - I don’t read run and shoot so i apologize for that but the clear vibe of the board is concern for fields, don’t lump people in with run and shoot

2 - the situation he should throw is the one where people are open. He needs to learn to throw it to the open guy?

3 - fine, but now we are speculating on speculation? Seems like a waste of time or pointless mind reading regardless
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Sigh....you're initiating contact with me. I never initiate contact with you.
A while back u said ya didn't read my comments/ posts.....keep it way from here on out.

I keep trying that link but it’s not hecking working, kinda frustrating

SMH......You're acting like a lying, frustrated, scorned woman and a troll. Stop reading my posts.
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From link #77 Fields: Lost his Balls??? thread

Fields: Lost his Balls??? thread........
1st - I don’t read run and shoot so i apologize for that but the clear vibe of the board is concern for fields, don’t lump people in with run and shoot

Sigh....you're initiating contact with me. I never initiate contact with you.
A while back u said ya didn't read my comments/ posts.....keep it that way from here on out.


Stop reading my posts. PERIOD. Put me outta yer mind.