?Fields Injury Update? - ✨️CLEARED TO START VS THE PACKERS✨️ ❕️❗️❕️❗️

[Hawkeye OG]

Yes he does, can you form a logical counter argument on why 150 yards is somehow a good stat for a QB in today's NFL?

It’s fairly simple. He averages 7.2 YPC, which is 15th in the NFL. If he passed more, he would have more yards, but he throws it the least (or at minimum bottom 5) in the league. I can post links for you later when I’m on a computer

 

[PrideisBears]

the thing is that nothing on that list he has said through the year is wrong..

Early in the year he sucked.. lots of threads about possible bust territory by other people
He still holds onto the ball too long..
He is a fantastic runner but still is not throwing for many yards, not throwing guys open, not throwing into tight windows, not understanding what open is in the NFL.. You know all the problems he had earlier in the year when people where calling him a possible "bust" are still here, he just covered up his weakness with elite running..
All that running is NOT sustainable if he wants to have a long career.

Hopefully this injury is a wake up call for fields and the coaching staff to have him work on his actual QB skills, this year is pointless if he doesn't develop his QB skills and relies just on running. To be a true dual threat QB he is going to have to actually develop that other "threat"

Everyone with common sense knows he can pass the ball but it’s obvious you are bias against him yet somehow loved you some Trubisky and Mac Jones

 

[Anytime23]

It’s fairly simple. He averages 7.2 YPC, which is 15th in the NFL. If he passed more, he would have more yards, but he throws it the least (or at minimum bottom 5) in the league. I can post links for you later when I’m on a computer

NOT TRUE THERE ARE A COUPLE PLAYS A GAME WHERE HE DOESNT SEE OPEN RECEIVERS AND HE WOULD JUST KEEP NOT SEEING THE OPEN RECEIVERS WHO ARE OPEN BECAUSE THEYRE NFL OPEN AND NOT BUTT BOOTY NAKED OPEN

 

[remydat]

Correct teams adjusted to what Mitch did and it all went downhill because he could not read a D, had accuracy problems deep, and after his injury ran less..

So how is that different then fields? Other then the deep ball accuracy?

And stop with the D took pressure off of Mitch, Mitch was on a playoff caliber team, Fields has no pressure in that regard, also Fields has much better run support.

Fields is not a good passer right now, you can't be throwing for only 150 yards per game, not being able to throw guys open, not understanding what is open in the NFL, not being able to process what he is seeing etc

Again, the only thing that mattered this year was the development of fields. He needs to develop his QB skills not his running back skills. What a complete waste of a year if he doesn't work on that. This is a huge failure of the coaching staff

It is different because they are 2 different human beings that have no connection to each other. Maybe Fields won't adjust. Maybe he will. Neither of us know so to claim otherwise is just dumb. Trubisky and Fields are not remotely similar QBs in terms of their arm talent.

You are not Fields so you can't claim he has no pressure. Fields has clearly made comments that indicate the pressure he puts on himself so much so that he apologized for letting the D down against the Falcons. The same D that has failed him numerous times the last few weeks. Guys like Fields are wired to put the weight of the world on their shoulders so yes having a shit D does put more pressure on him. You are a couch potato fan so winning doesn't matter to you. It matters to Fields even in a season that fans think it should not.

The Bears are running 60% of the time so that is why he doesn't throw for 200 yards a lot. He is 14th in the NFL in YPA and and 2nd in air YPA. Fields throws 21 times a game. There isn't a QB in the NFL that would average 200 yards a game if they threw that little. Tua has the largest YPA at 9.1 yards but 9.1 multiplied by 21 is 191.1 yards. So to harp on the lack of 200 yards is just dumb. That is less an indication of throwing ability and more an indication of the game plan which is focused on running the ball.

 

[dbldrew]

It’s fairly simple. He averages 7.2 YPC, which is 15th in the NFL. If he passed more, he would have more yards, but he throws it the least (or at minimum bottom 5) in the league. I can post links for you later when I’m on a computer

The problem with this analysis is that he only throws to wide open players, his problem is throwing guys open, throwing in tight windows, understanding what's happening with the D. The reason he is not throwing more is because he can't for those reasons, he instead runs.

So you can't just wave it away saying his ypa is good so he would throw for more yards if he just threw it more. The problem is he is NOT throwing it.. that's the problem, he needs to work on the reasons he is not throwing it more, or I should say the coaching staff needs to help him, they need to force him to run less and throw more so he can start to figure this out.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

That is less an indication of throwing ability and more an indication of the game plan which is focused on running the ball.

Which they said they'd be a heavy run team before the season and it is pretty evident they are doing this because they don't trust the pass blocking to hold up for a lot of pure pass drops. It doesn't help they often run 2 or 3 man routes because they need to keep extra men in to pass block

 

[Discus fish salesman]

The problem with this analysis is that he only throws to wide open players, his problem is throwing guys open, throwing in tight windows, understanding what's happening with the D. The reason he is not throwing more is because he can't for those reasons, he instead runs.

So you can't just wave it away saying his ypa is good so he would throw for more yards if he just threw it more. The problem is he is NOT throwing it.. that's the problem, he needs to work on the reasons he is not throwing it more, or I should say the coaching staff needs to help him, they need to force him to run less and throw more so he can start to figure this out.

Was the throw to Montgomery last week wide open, ret@rd?

 

[PrideisBears]

Correct teams adjusted to what Mitch did and it all went downhill because he could not read a D, had accuracy problems deep, and after his injury ran less..

So how is that different then fields? Other then the deep ball accuracy?

And stop with the D took pressure off of Mitch, Mitch was on a playoff caliber team, Fields has no pressure in that regard, also Fields has much better run support.

Fields is not a good passer right now, you can't be throwing for only 150 yards per game, not being able to throw guys open, not understanding what is open in the NFL, not being able to process what he is seeing etc

Again, the only thing that mattered this year was the development of fields. He needs to develop his QB skills not his running back skills. What a complete waste of a year if he doesn't work on that. This is a huge failure of the coaching staff

Yes, Mitch was on a playoff team and yes the defense constantly took pressure off of him. Constantly crying about passing yards or lack of them is dumb as hell. The bears are an obvious running team team due to that being the OL strength and even WR strengths. It’s designed to have Fields throw less because if he stays in the pocket he will be killed. If you even took the time to watch without your hater specs on you’ll see Fields does throw guys open and is damn accurate and Fields has developed tremendously. The NFL now knows he is an insane playmaker and he can both pass and run AND he takes care of the ball

 

[Anytime23]

@Chicagosports89 when did @dbldrew put us on ignore? Was it after the Bills v Pats playoff game where everything we said about Mac Jones came true or was it when he got benched vs the Bears?

 

[remydat]

The problem with this analysis is that he only throws to wide open players, his problem is throwing guys open, throwing in tight windows, understanding what's happening with the D. The reason he is not throwing more is because he can't for those reasons, he instead runs.

So you can't just wave it away saying his ypa is good so he would throw for more yards if he just threw it more. The problem is he is NOT throwing it.. that's the problem, he needs to work on the reasons he is not throwing it more, or I should say the coaching staff needs to help him, they need to force him to run less and throw more so he can start to figure this out.

No this is exaggeration. That pass to Mooney was in a tight window. Your problem is you always exaggerate. Fields needs to get better throwing on time but he has plenty of throws in which he has does so. It has plenty of throws where he doesn't. The issue is getting more consistent not that he only throws to wide open players. Stop being stupidly hyperbolic and people may appreciate your stance more.

Which they said they'd be a heavy run team before the season and it is pretty evident they are doing this because they don't trust the pass blocking to hold up for a lot of pure pass drops. It doesn't help they often run 2 or 3 man routes because they need to keep extra men in to pass block

Not just about the OL. Flus made it clear that the best way to help a young QB is a good D and run game. The abandoned the former to get better draft picks when they traded Quinn and Quan but that was clearly why they drafted Gordon and Brisker and likely why they will target D in FA and the draft. They want a good D and good run game which will allow Fields to develop gradually. So they didn't want to put too much on his plate but again that plan got altered a bit with the trades as couldn't pass up getting draft capital for 2 guys that likely were not going to be here long term.

 

[dbldrew]

It is different because they are 2 different human beings that have no connection to each other. Maybe Fields won't adjust. Maybe he will. Neither of us know so to claim otherwise is just dumb. Trubisky and Fields are not remotely similar QBs in terms of their arm talent.

You are not Fields so you can't claim he has no pressure. Fields has clearly made comments that indicate the pressure he puts on himself so much so that he apologized for letting the D down against the Falcons. The same D that has failed him numerous times the last few weeks. Guys like Fields are wired to put the weight of the world on their shoulders so yes having a shit D does put more pressure on him. You are a couch potato fan so winning doesn't matter to you. It matters to Fields even in a season that fans think it should not.

The Bears are running 60% of the time so that is why he doesn't throw for 200 yards a lot. He is 14th in the NFL in YPA and and 2nd in air YPA. Fields throws 21 times a game. There isn't a QB in the NFL that would average 200 yards a game if they threw that little. Tua has the largest YPA at 9.1 yards but 9.1 multiplied by 21 is 191.1 yards. So to harp on the lack of 200 yards is just dumb. That is less an indication of throwing ability and more an indication of the game plan which is focused on running the ball.

You're the one who brought up the pressure with Mitch having less of it because of the D.. so to throw it back at you.. you're not Mitch so you can't claim what kind of pressure he was dealing with..

And the reason they are running 60% of the time and his attempts are low is because he refuses the throw the ball on called pass plays unless the WR is wide open. He bails out of the play and runs instead. This is why his attempts are low, this is why his yards are low and this is something he should be working on to help with his development.

 

[PrideisBears]

Which they said they'd be a heavy run team before the season and it is pretty evident they are doing this because they don't trust the pass blocking to hold up for a lot of pure pass drops. It doesn't help they often run 2 or 3 man routes because they need to keep extra men in to pass block

This. They are jut now allowing KMET in passing game instead of having him pass block forever

 

[Discus fish salesman]

@Chicagosports89 when did @dbldrew put us on ignore? Was it after the Bills v Pats playoff game where everything we said about Mac Jones came true or was it when he got benched vs the Bears?

I think he was insulted by being called ret@rded because he actually is mentally challenged

 

[remydat]

You're the one who brought up the pressure with Mitch having less of it because of the D.. so to throw it back at you.. you're not Mitch so you can't claim what kind of pressure he was dealing with..

And the reason they are running 60% of the time and his attempts are low is because he refuses the throw the ball on called pass plays unless the WR is wide open. He bails out of the play and runs instead. This is why his attempts are low, this is why his yards are low and this is something he should be working on to help with his development.

Of course I can. He was dealing with the pressure of only having to score 18 points to win as Bears D gave up 17.7 points. Fields is dealing with the pressure to score 25 points to win which is obviously more. So Fields clearly had more pressure to put up points because he needed more of it to win dummy. You then responded by claiming we are rebuilding so I responded that Fields doesn't care about that and has made that clear. Just as if it were Trubisky playing this year he would likely not care either. The point being the pressure is with respect to how much support the D is providing not based on whether a team is rebuilding or not dummy.

No the reason why he scrambles is because sometimes the pressure gets there before guys are open and sometimes he doesn't throw it when he should. You have no mechanism to distinguish between the two scenarios so it is simply incorrect to pretend it is always the latter. Again this is the problem with your posts. There is a kernel of truth to what you say but you always exaggerate it because you have an agenda regarding Fields due to your love of Trubisky and Mac Jones. Where for example is your update thread discussing Mac Jones shoddy play this year after sucking him off last year? Does his 4 TDs and 7 Int excite you?

 

[PrideisBears]

Lol Mac Jones only has 4tds? My boy @Anytime23 and I said he was a poor man’s Kyle Orton but damn now I like to retract my statement. Orton actually became a decent QB, Jones is on his way to being an assistant coach in the XFL

 

[Anytime23]

I dont think dribble drool expected to get gang banged on Turkey day.

 

[dbldrew]

Of course I can. He was dealing with the pressure of only having to score 18 points to win as Bears D gave up 17.7 points. Fields is dealing with the pressure to score 25 points to win which is obviously more. So Fields clearly had more pressure to put up points because he needed more of it to win dummy. You then responded by claiming we are rebuilding so I responded that Fields doesn't care about that and has made that clear. Just as if it were Trubisky playing this year he would likely not care either. The point being the pressure is with respect to how much support the D is providing not based on whether a team is rebuilding or not dummy.

No the reason why he scrambles is because sometimes the pressure gets there before guys are open and sometimes he doesn't throw it when he should. You have no mechanism to distinguish between the two scenarios so it is simply incorrect to pretend it is always the latter. Again this is the problem with your posts. There is a kernel of truth to what you say but you always exaggerate it because you have an agenda regarding Fields due to your love of Trubisky and Mac Jones. Where for example is your update thread discussing Mac Jones shoddy play this year after sucking him off last year? Does his 4 TDs and 7 Inst excite you?

So when I made the counter statement that Mitch had more pressure because he was on a playoff team, you replied with "I'm not Fields so can't know what pressure he deals with" but you are still making the argument that that Fields has more pressure even though you are also not Fields and also not Mitch so you also can't know the pressure they are dealing with? Lol only you Remy would try to make an argument that literally cotridicted your earlier argument.

Also I never said that everytime he scrambles is because he doesn't understand what he is seeing, there is plenty of times he scrambles because of pressure, never said otherwise, although his holding onto the ball to long causes a lot of the pressure he needs to scrabble from.. you know like the threads you created talking about that weakness in his game earlier in the year..

 

[knoxville7]

I dont think dribble drool expected to get gang banged on Turkey day.

He’s now referred to as “the stuffing”

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Sup

 

[remydat]

So when I made the counter statement that Mitch had more pressure because he was on a playoff team, you replied with "I'm not Fields so can't know what pressure he deals with" but you are still making the argument that that Fields has more pressure even though you are also not Fields and also not Mitch so you also can't know the pressure they are dealing with? Lol only you Remy would try to make an argument that literally cotridicted your earlier argument.

Also I never said that everytime he scrambles is because he doesn't understand what he is seeing, there is plenty of times he scrambles because of pressure, never said otherwise, although his holding onto the ball to long causes a lot of the pressure he needs to scrabble from.. you know like the threads you created talking about that weakness in his game earlier in the year..

No you are confused. My response was to your claim about Fields not having pressure because the team is rebuilding. I never claimed Mitch had no pressure. i claimed having a D that gave up 17.7 points took pressure off of him. There are sources of pressure and there are things that alleviate pressure. Mitch had playoff pressure but he had a D that helped alleviate that pressure because they were the No 1 scoring D. By contrast this year D does not alleviate pressure on Fields. It adds pressure because Fields is putting up 30 points but still losing because the D is bad.

I never told you Mitch had no pressure whereas you are trying to say Fields has no pressure. I told you a top D reduces pressure which is obvious. So you were trying to pretend you are in Fields head and know he has no pressure. I was not getting into what is in Field's head. I was saying a great D reduces the external pressure a player has. Not eliminate but reduce.

There was nothing in your previous posts that made it clear you understood that some of his scrambling was due to pressure. If I missed where you said that then please point it out.