Fields is not clutch: Looking at the Video

Nelly

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Jesus, that last route ran by ESB

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Fields has to be 100% perfect for this offense to accomplish anything
Remy made a comparison to a young Jordan, where it was clear it was "Jordan scores 40 or the Bulls lose." Same thing going on for Fields right now. He's got some pieces but not nearly enough to win games, namely a defense that can stop anyone.

And now having to learn how to make throws to these sub par targets, imagine how easy it'll look for him if/when Poles gets him another good target in the passing game.
 

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Remy made a comparison to a young Jordan, where it was clear it was "Jordan scores 40 or the Bulls lose." Same thing going on for Fields right now. He's got some pieces but not nearly enough to win games, namely a defense that can stop anyone.

And now having to learn how to make throws to these sub par targets, imagine how easy it'll look for him if/when Poles gets him another good target in the passing game.
Exactly. I still can't believe how far he's come this year and am so stoked to see him grow into the future with better complimentary pieces around him.
 

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The Fields narratives are so ridiculous. I don't think I've ever seen a more criticized or maligned young player for the Bears in our history. People are so ready to jump on every flaw and make it this giant microcosm like he can't get better, and that the Bears won't ever surround him with competent talent. Like, even as Bear fans we know he's not perfect. But, if you can't see his growth and development you're flat out biased and have no hope.

Actually feel like 95% of this board thinks fields is the franchise at this point. He's clearly the most impressive QB of his draft class. Bears have never got to say that before.

There are only a few idiots/clowns who mostly think he's a scrub due to the fact they like attention.
 

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Exactly. I still can't believe how far he's come this year and am so stoked to see him grow into the future with better complimentary pieces around him.

He hasn't even progressed that far yet. Imagine this guy when he has all day to throw like some QB's in the NFL have.

His running threat + a good deep ball could be the ultimate cheat code in the NFL. That Kmet outlet pass when he faked a run is going to be open nonstop for him in the future.
 

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He hasn't even progressed that far yet. Imagine this guy when he has all day to throw like some QB's in the NFL have.

His running threat + a good deep ball could be the ultimate cheat code in the NFL. That Kmet outlet pass when he faked a run is going to be open nonstop for him in the future.
Agreed. The great thing about his running ability and deep passing ability is how much stress it puts on a defense. You basically have to devote 1 guy on every play just to spy his scrambling. That means better matchups for his wide receivers and tight ends. Teams will either have to pick their poison, do you get beat by his feet or do you get beat by his arm?

As an example, think about a 4 WR set with a legit #1 receiver and assume the opposing team is running a 4-3 base. Opposing team tries to match up - 4 DL, 4 DBs = 8 guys. You have to spy Fields so that's now 9 with the LB. If he has a legit #1, they're probably gonna try to double team the #1. So now you have 1 safety that has to play the entire deep field against a QB that's shown he can throw it anywhere. It becomes such a huge match up problem. If they're only rushing 3 in order to keep 2 safeties deep, now he's got all the time in the world to deliver a throw to one of his other guys and if nothing is open, off he goes.

His running and deep passing ability opens up so much space in between and likely multiple 1 on 1 matchups. Get some high quality WRs as compliments to your legit #1 and have fun trying to stop him. He changes the math.
 

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The Bears talent level is in the shitter.

I've said this all season long, they are one if not the least talented teams.

Fields is this entire offense. Give him a serviceable line, and a couple receivers and the sky is the limit.
 

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thanks for telling us all season that the Bears are one of the least-talented teams. I would never have surmised it without your advice all season long.
 

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Fields not clutch is an argument perpetuated by the resident trolls looking for their usual attention.

Everybody who is a real fan has seen progress, is happy about it, and realizes he isn't near a finished product yet.
I agree. Some players just got it off the bat. Some take longer than others. It’s just the way it is.
 

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Agreed. The great thing about his running ability and deep passing ability is how much stress it puts on a defense. You basically have to devote 1 guy on every play just to spy his scrambling. That means better matchups for his wide receivers and tight ends. Teams will either have to pick their poison, do you get beat by his feet or do you get beat by his arm?

As an example, think about a 4 WR set with a legit #1 receiver and assume the opposing team is running a 4-3 base. Opposing team tries to match up - 4 DL, 4 DBs = 8 guys. You have to spy Fields so that's now 9 with the LB. If he has a legit #1, they're probably gonna try to double team the #1. So now you have 1 safety that has to play the entire deep field against a QB that's shown he can throw it anywhere. It becomes such a huge match up problem. If they're only rushing 3 in order to keep 2 safeties deep, now he's got all the time in the world to deliver a throw to one of his other guys and if nothing is open, off he goes.

His running and deep passing ability opens up so much space in between and likely multiple 1 on 1 matchups. Get some high quality WRs as compliments to your legit #1 and have fun trying to stop him. He changes the math.
I said this at the beginning of the season and I'll say it once more. Fields reminds me of Patrick Mahomes when he first played for the Chiefs. And I think that Fields is kind of mimicking Mahomes in his the changes he makes on his arm angle sometime
 

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thanks for telling us all season that the Bears are one of the least-talented teams. I would never have surmised it without your advice all season long.
You'd be surprised how many people argued with me about it.
 

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Well, thank heavens we have you all around, especially during this holiday season!
 

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Even Fields’ biggest cheerleaders shouldn’t ignore his fourth-quarter struggles.

In 12 starts this season, he has a 53.8 passer rating in the fourth quarter and has thrown six of his 10 interceptions then. .

Ten times this season the Bears offense has taken possession with six minutes or less remaining and a chance to tie or go ahead. Their only scoring drive in those situations was a four-play, zero-yard field-goal drive to beat the Houston Texans in Week 3.

The Bears have had the ball 17 times in the fourth quarter this season with a chance to tie or go ahead and have only two touchdowns and a field goal. Fields has a 41.5 passer rating in those possessions with no touchdown passes and three interceptions.

That was Fields’ 10th interception this season, an attention-grabbing total given how infrequently the Bears pass — an NFL-low 279 attempts.

Fields’ interception rate has spiked to 4.0%, a number worth keeping an eye on. Over the last 10 seasons, among qualifying quarterbacks, 17 have finished a season with an interception rate at 3.7% or higher — including Fields as a rookie.

Perhaps even more concerning, Fields’ fourth-quarter interception rate is 9.2%, according to The Football Database, with six interceptions in 65 passes.

At some point this he needs to finish a clutch drive late in the 4th quarter....ideally a td drive in the last minute, followed by a missed pat for a loss by 1 to keep hope alive for a top 3 pick
 

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That EQ route was terrible. I mean the corner is behind you and smaller than you.. literally just put your body in the way even if you don't come back for the ball..
To be fair though EQ is trash so you cant blame him.
 

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Even Fields’ biggest cheerleaders shouldn’t ignore his fourth-quarter struggles.

In 12 starts this season, he has a 53.8 passer rating in the fourth quarter and has thrown six of his 10 interceptions then. .

Ten times this season the Bears offense has taken possession with six minutes or less remaining and a chance to tie or go ahead. Their only scoring drive in those situations was a four-play, zero-yard field-goal drive to beat the Houston Texans in Week 3.

The Bears have had the ball 17 times in the fourth quarter this season with a chance to tie or go ahead and have only two touchdowns and a field goal. Fields has a 41.5 passer rating in those possessions with no touchdown passes and three interceptions.

That was Fields’ 10th interception this season, an attention-grabbing total given how infrequently the Bears pass — an NFL-low 279 attempts.

Fields’ interception rate has spiked to 4.0%, a number worth keeping an eye on. Over the last 10 seasons, among qualifying quarterbacks, 17 have finished a season with an interception rate at 3.7% or higher — including Fields as a rookie.

Perhaps even more concerning, Fields’ fourth-quarter interception rate is 9.2%, according to The Football Database, with six interceptions in 65 passes.

At some point this he needs to finish a clutch drive late in the 4th quarter....ideally a td drive in the last minute, followed by a missed pat for a loss by 1 to keep hope alive for a top 3 pick
He has had quite a few doprs for a late game winning or go ahead scores or crucial first downs to keep drives going. No, he ha sbeen far frpm perfect in the 4th, but he has done his part too in many of the 4th quarters to be let down by his receivers
 

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Jesus, that last route ran by ESB

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Fields has to be 100% perfect for this offense to accomplish anything
Yup. Couldn't be worse. Fast when should be slow and vice versa. Ran himself through the route. Sold the go way early which had the no twitch guy going too fast to come back and complete the route.
 

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The Bears talent level is in the shitter.

I've said this all season long, they are one if not the least talented teams.

Fields is this entire offense. Give him a serviceable line, and a couple receivers and the sky is the limit.
I think between Mooney, Claypool and Kmet, you've got the foundation. I'd like to see another receiver on a similar level to them, but considering how run-based we are and will likely be regardless, we're not that far off. That of course assumes we build up the line more as well. If Leatherwood works out at RT then that's cool. Braxton Jones next year will be quite good, IMO. Have to have another center, then maybe upgrade/replace Whitehair but not entirely necessary. Either way, improving the trenches will help a whole lot in the passing game as well.
 

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One thing that would help Fields out a lot late in games is for ESB to not be on the field.
You're right. I don't know why they have not featured Claypool and Henry more often? Maybe after the break, they'll get more looks but ESB really has a limited skill set.
 

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