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[TrapperKarl]

Thank God!

Kevin Fishbain
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And Tyler Bray is back on a 1-year deal. The Bears have their No. 3 quarterback.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Tuning out the unnecessary sarcasm for a minute, and let's turn to simple math.

If we do NOT add a FA, which is ONE player, we can get a comp pick, and draft ONE player.

So, don't get that proven guy who can fill a need. Instead, take a flyer, and pray that there will be someone available in the 4th round - which you have no control over - and hope he can help in the same way.

Your equation is wrong. It's not so simplistic. You have to look at the value of players added vs lost. You have to look at their status. (were they released or not?) The Bears can sign 10 free agents tomorrow and still not effect the comp system if they sign the right guys.

 

[PrideisBears]

Well, in the NFL there is this thing called the draft. It's slightly important because it's how NFL teams stock their roster with players.... and players are kind of important in the NFL if you want to win. And (bear with me this is complicated) the theory is.... more picks give you a greater chance of drafting good players. More picks also give you the chance to bundle these picks for a higher draft pick. Some people feel that higher draft picks are a good thing.

Tune in next week where we discuss why I think it's an important strategy this year for the Bears to score more points than their opponents.

Bears are in win now mode imo but then again we are super young too......this is weird honestly. Im just laughing more at the comp pick craze going on. While i know the draft is obviously necessary to build we shouldn't sacrifice great talent for unknowns. Losing Amos might not hurt as badly because of his replacement but all i suggest is getting your popcorn ready if HaHa misses an important tackle or pick

 

[ZenBear34]

Bears are in win now mode imo but then again we are super young too......this is weird honestly. Im just laughing more at the comp pick craze going on. While i know the draft is obviously necessary to build we shouldn't sacrifice great talent for unknowns. Losing Amos might not hurt as badly because of his replacement but all i suggest is getting your popcorn ready if HaHa misses an important tackle or pick

Yeah why is everyone suddenly obsessed with comp picks? I've never seen so much attention paid to them.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Bears are in win now mode imo but then again we are super young too......this is weird honestly. Im just laughing more at the comp pick craze going on. While i know the draft is obviously necessary to build we shouldn't sacrifice great talent for unknowns. Losing Amos might not hurt as badly because of his replacement but all i suggest is getting your popcorn ready if HaHa misses an important tackle or pick

Has this happened? Is this being suggested?

Amos is a cap casualty. He'd be gone if there was a comp system or not. I'm just saying lets be mindful of the system and take advantage of it when possible.

 

[Bearly]

I'm still trying to figure out why it is that there seems to be a higher success rate for adding successful UDFA's then there are 5-7th draft picks?

Because there are 8 times as many UDFAs, many of which could have been drafted had a team required a different need.

 

[dabears70]

Yeah why is everyone suddenly obsessed with comp picks? I've never seen so much attention paid to them.

Because this is the first time in many many years that we've been in a position to be able to get comp picks.

 

[I Just Want To Read]

Why do we care about comp picks again?

Because it's a really stupid system that we're positioned to take advantage of with a bit of discipline.

 

[iueyedoc]

Bears are in win now mode imo but then again we are super young too......this is weird honestly. Im just laughing more at the comp pick craze going on. While i know the draft is obviously necessary to build we shouldn't sacrifice great talent for unknowns. Losing Amos might not hurt as badly because of his replacement but all i suggest is getting your popcorn ready if HaHa misses an important tackle or pick

Losing Amos had zero to do with comp picks and no one suggested letting him go to get one for him. He priced himself outside of what the Bears valued him and he and they moved on. Discussion that the Bears may reap a comp pick for him something they haven't had in,like, 10 years, seems little like a craze and more like a subject that CCS members have not had to hash thru in the past.

 

[PrideisBears]

Has this happened? Is this being suggested?

Amos is a cap casualty. He'd be gone if there was a comp system or not. I'm just saying lets be mindful of the system and take advantage of it when possible.

Losing Amos had zero to do with comp picks and no one suggested letting him go to get one for him. He priced himself outside of what the Bears valued him and he and they moved on. Discussion that the Bears may reap a comp pick for him something they haven't had in,like, 10 years, seems little like a craze and more like a subject that CCS members have not had to hash thru in the past.

I may have worded that incorrectly gentlemen. Amos wasnt exactly the talent i think we sacrificed for comp picks, I was more saying down the line for others. While i want to re-sign Amos im aware he priced himself out. The safety market in general was insane this year

 

[Raskolnikov]

I am not against comp picks. I just thought it was a real snarky way to imply it was the only way to acquire players, when, in fact, it is a trade off between signing a FA or drafting. Thy need to fill a roster, and it won't all be from the draft.

Which is why all you have to do is pace yourself, plan ahead, and alternate buy years and sell years.

One year you sign as many FAs as you need for the next two years. You then buy no cancelling contracts the next year, when you let people walk. You can trade for contracts that fit your timeline if you need veterans, or acquire less valuable ones than you lost and still be rewarded.

 

[kg1187]

I agree that the comp pick chatter is baffling. The Bears are a win now Super bowl contender and people basically want Pace to tank this years free agency for 2020 comp picks. Even a third round comp pick lands about the 100th spot, a 4th rounder close to 135th.

People really want to diminish the Bears chances at winning a Superbowl this year for 2020 comp picks? Blows my mind. Its rebuilding Stockholm Syndrome.

 

[Bearman 43]

Because there are 8 times as many UDFAs, many of which could have been drafted had a team required a different need.

Therefore 10 times better chance of a good player on the cheap!!!!???????????????

 

[Raskolnikov]

I agree that the comp pick chatter is baffling. The Bears are a win now Super bowl contender and people basically want Pace to tank this years free agency for 2020 comp picks. Even a third round comp pick lands about the 100th spot, a 4th rounder close to 135th.

People really want to diminish the Bears chances at winning a Superbowl this year for 2020 comp picks? Blows my mind. Its rebuilding Stockholm Syndrome.

We recognize a team building cycle that the best organizations employ to be contenders every single year through long term health and want the bears to be an every year thing not a once a decade window thing.

The reasoning is because with comp picks you actually can have your cake and eat it too. Meaning, sign every free agent and spend all you want just do so every other year instead of every year spending modestly to fill holes as the bears do.

Just time an exodus where you let pieces walk but they are replenished the next year when you have an open season free agency and 13 picks.

Just buy every other year and acquire vets via trade or cuts in your patient year.


If you aren’t smart enough to see just trust us and look less stupid.

Once you are 3 years in the cycle you will never notice the waiting gap yet will have extra picks every other year. Then you defer as many as you can for higher picks next year to fill in the gap years which is part of why the patriots do that too. Notice the patriots buy free agents but not every year.

Sadly the bears front offfice has appeared stupid to organizations in the know of this system that rewards fucking extra picks for going on two decades. It’s their fucking job to figure out how to exploit all systems of football. I though Nagy came from a coaching tree that knows how.

You see, timing this right creates a cyclical pattern where you can lose all the players at the right time by negotiating the number of years in contracts to be in your favor. The right time being when you are most richly compensated for loss.

Of course real life isn’t a vacuum, players get hurt, don’t pan out, have no value or you decide to keep. However, it’s a philosophy of management that pays in the long run because real life happens to teams not getting 3 extra picks per year average. It adds up.

 

[PrideisBears]

We recognize a team building cycle that the best organizations employ to be contenders every single year through long term health and want the bears to be an every year thing not a once a decade window thing.

I would like to add that most of the best organizations also have "their" guy at QB. How are y'all feeling on Trubisky? Think he is our QB for now and foreseeable future?

 

[Kazu2324]

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Details on Bryce Callahan's 3-yr, $21M deal:
2019: $4M sign bonus; $2.5M base (full guar), $500K roster. Total: $7M
2020: $3M base; $3.5M roster bonus (guar skill/injury, not cap); $500K per/game roster. Total: $7M
2021: $6.5M base; $500K p/g bonus. Total: $7M

 

[bamainatlanta]

I would like to add that most of the best organizations also have "their" guy at QB. How are y'all feeling on Trubisky? Think he is our QB for now and foreseeable future?

If he improves, yes. He's playing like Marriota did in his 2nd season but Marriota has regressed considerably.

 

[kg1187]

So never strike while the iron is hot or only look to improve the team significantly every other off season?

Unless you have a HOF QB most teams legit Superbowl window only opens every decade or so. You gotta take advantage of a short lived Super Bowl window instead of deferring to next year.

The Patriots are the best example of using the comp pick system to their advantage and of course they have a HOF QB who is never hurt and the GOAT coach. The Bears have neither of those advantages.

 

[remydat]

That leads me to a question, does the FA need to make the team to factor in either for or against?

If you are cut before making the team, it would only count if someone else picked you up off waivers and you played a significant amount of time the following year.

Generally speaking the cut-off is around week 10 ie if you are cut prior to week 10 and no one picks you up on waivers, you will will typically not be counted in the comp formula.

 

[remydat]

Which is why all you have to do is pace yourself, plan ahead, and alternate buy years and sell years.

One year you sign as many FAs as you need for the next two years. You then buy no cancelling contracts the next year, when you let people walk. You can trade for contracts that fit your timeline if you need veterans, or acquire less valuable ones than you lost and still be rewarded.

Yeah this is a great idea once you have won a SB and thus have some rope to hang yourself with. No so great when you are a historically bad franchise the past 30+ years.