FYI on our salaries

[JCM]

I wouldnt say they bring nothing to our team but i would take the chance unloading both of them on pure hope of us getting 2 max guys. I believe we will get one and im sure some other FAs will follow.

I would ill give you 2 reasons.

1) we are in need for a SG right, and this draft has alot of player that can shoot the ball Anderson henry Crawford and George. one of those players are most likely going to be there with our pick.

2) Deng will save us the most money because he is the one earing the most of the team. Plus, James Johnson really played well last year for us in limited minutes he got from vinny, sure he made some rook mistakes but that happens. he also had some stellar defensive plays. the kid has some potential. and did i say that he is a better finisher that deng too?

 

[Anytime23]

Umm you didnt give me any reasons of why they bring nothing to our team. You just said there's good shooters in this draft, which is correct. Also, you are off on Johnson. He showed flashes but never played really well and he had some stellar defensive plays? Please give some examples. I remember a couple series of ok defense on LBJ, which is fresh in most fans minds. I also remembering him fouling on almost every possession. How can you call him a better finisher than Deng when rarely has opportunities to finish? No Deng is not the best finisher but i remember him drawing contact and getting to the line 10 times a game during a nice stretch before he got hurt. Deng disappears for stretches, but JJ has never appeared. Dengs contract sucks, you make it seem like he does as a player which is just wrong.

 

[JCM]

Umm you didnt give me any reasons of why they bring nothing to our team.

yeah they will space the floor and we are in dying need of shooting our spacing was terribel last year, if a belive we were one of the worst shooting teams in the nba.

You just said there's good shooters in this draft, which is correct. Also, you are off on Johnson. He showed flashes but never played really well and he had some stellar defensive plays?

well to tell you vinny was a moron he always pulled him out when he was playing good. he clearly didnt want to be fired, thats why he always went to his veterans. i know alot of people are frustrated but the kid has potential to be better than deng.

I also remembering him fouling on almost every possession. How can you call him a better finisher than Deng when rarely has opportunities to finish?

he is a way better finisher than deng, deng has to be one of the most weak finishers in the nba. referring to, when he attack the basket.

No Deng is not the best finisher but i remember him drawing contact and getting to the line 10 times a game during a nice stretch before he got hurt. Deng disappears for stretches, but JJ has never appeared. Dengs contract sucks, you make it seem like he does as a player which is just wrong.

thats the thing Deng is good early on in a game but very often disappears late in games when we need him. just seems like he get tired or something.

 

[Anytime23]

Once again, youre not giving me opinions on why they bring nothing to the team. Youre stating what other players bring to the team that Deng and Hinrich dont(3 point shooting) and thats basically it.

Vinny pulled everyone when they were playing good, not just Johnson. Hinrich, Rose, Deng etc etc. Everyone got benched during great stretches. Potential, thats all he is right now. He's not better than Deng, he just isnt. You dont get rid of Deng because you think JJ is gonna take over. You get rid of Deng to get James and another max guy.

Is there any database with game footage where i can see what a great finisher Johnson is? The guy probably attacked the basket 2 times a game when he wasnt missing wild shots. The guy right now looks like Tyrus Thomas 2.0 without the defense. I wanted us to draft Johnson and im a fan of his but lets not get carried away. This guy looks nothing more than a role player off the bench. Deng has been good for us both offensively and defensively when healthy.

 

[JCM]

Once again, youre not giving me opinions on why they bring nothing to the team. Youre stating what other players bring to the team that Deng and Hinrich dont(3 point shooting) and thats basically it.

alright, deng brings defense and can guard some good sf's he is a good slaher that can get to the basket when given a good pass on a cut play. and has a good mid range game. but like i said i will move him for cap space, in order to aquire more FA. if only he had a consisten 3 point game that be great.

Vinny pulled everyone when they were playing good, not just Johnson. Hinrich, Rose, Deng etc etc. Everyone got benched during great stretches. Potential, thats all he is right now.

i know its called a rotaion. thing is, when VDN pulled JJ out of games he did it because of little rookie mistakes. being a rookie you can expect that, but he always did it when he did one. usually rooks get down on there selves and dont flourish like they do because of confidence.

He's not better than Deng, he just isnt. You dont get rid of Deng because you think JJ is gonna take over. You get rid of Deng to get James and another max guy.

exactly, thats the main reason why i would get rid of deng, if we get james. but i will still get rid of him to save cap. guys like rudy *** are better than him. only thing he has over deng is his defense. and in no way i said JJ is better than deng right now. i just said he has the potential to be better than him.

is there any database with game footage where i can see what a great finisher Johnson is? The guy probably attacked the basket 2 times a game when he wasnt missing wild shots. The guy right now looks like Tyrus Thomas 2.0 without the defense. I wanted us to draft Johnson and im a fan of his but lets not get carried away. This guy looks nothing more than a role player off the bench. Deng has been good for us both offensively and defensively when healthy.

the guy is a better finisher then deng, thing is, that he wasn't really implemented to the offensive system because he is a rookie. but this upcoming year expect him to be way better than he was this past year.

oh yeah, Johnson will better than Vyrus will ever be. Vyrus had to be a the dumbest iq basketball player in the NBA.

 

[Anytime23]

So youre admitting that Deng does provide something to this team?

First you said Vinny pulled him when he was playing good and now Vinny pulled him out every time he made mistakes. Which is it? It wasnt just rotations, Vinny took out players at their hottest, at times where you dont take that guy out.

Until Johnson can finish consistently, i dont want to hear it. The guy hasnt proved he can do anything but foul and make mistakes. He could be better than Tyrus, but for now its open for debate.

Anyways this isnt the point of my original argument. Dont say Hinrich and Deng dont bring anything to this team because every GM and NBA talking head will disagree with you. Fans like to hate on them both for the wrong reasons and thats their contracts.

 

[Adog06]

The Only way this is really going to work is Lebron comes to the Bulls. Im not sure if you guys can tell but alot of people, except for the East Coast biased A-holes at ESPN, are pulling for Lebron to go to the Bulls. Thats really the key to this whole thing. Im with the rest of you on getting rid of Deng but i would hate to see Hinrich go.

 

[JCM]

So youre admitting that Deng does provide something to this team?

yes, ill admit never been a deng fan really. just dissapears to damm much when we really need him. and for all that money he has been earning. i wished the bulls would of stuck with gordon instead. of giving the money to deng. and i know gordon wasnt the best of defenders.

First you said Vinny pulled him when he was playing good and now Vinny pulled him out every time he made mistakes. Which is it? It wasnt just rotations, Vinny took out players at their hottest, at times where you dont take that guy out.

both. when he made mistakes and when the offense was struggling to get baskets. and were they were hot to, bottom line is Vinny was so bad at using his players. he had to be the worst sub's coach in the nba.

Until Johnson can finish consistently, i dont want to hear it. The guy hasnt proved he can do anything but foul and make mistakes. He could be better than Tyrus, but for now its open for debate.

you know what im trying tot say right? not a point scoring machine that finishes games with offensive skills, but im saying finishing at the basket strong. deng often fades away from contact. i freaken hate that. idk maybe he is to prone to injury and doesn't want to get injured. maybe he knows himself that he is a injury prone player.

Anyways this isnt the point of my original argument. Dont say Hinrich and Deng dont bring anything to this team because every GM and NBA talking head will disagree with you. Fans like to hate on them both for the wrong reasons and thats their contracts.

they do every player does, never said they dont, i just said that i will trade them for pure cap space, and since you said that every GM notice that they bring something to the table, i bet somebody out there will be willing to take on there contract and them.

 

[Anytime23]

Ok then. I would rather have Gordon as well. He was my favorite college player and when he came to the Bulls, he instantly became my favorite NBA player.

Vinny is not a good coach, period.

Deng doesnt shy from contact, he just doesnt have the strength to finish when being hit or bumped but hes a good finisher around the basket. I dont think its because of past injuries, a lot of his injuries had nothing to do with contact.

Well just because they do provide something doesnt mean that a GM will trade for them. Dengs contract is just bad but if a team with cap space realizes that none of the top FAs are interested in joining them, they might trade for Deng. I can see Hinrich being moved though.

 

[JCM]

Ok then. I would rather have Gordon as well. He was my favorite college player and when he came to the Bulls, he instantly became my favorite NBA player.

Vinny is not a good coach, period.

Deng doesnt shy from contact, he just doesnt have the strength to finish when being hit or bumped but hes a good finisher around the basket. I dont think its because of past injuries, a lot of his injuries had nothing to do with contact.

Well just because they do provide something doesnt mean that a GM will trade for them. Dengs contract is just bad but if a team with cap space realizes that none of the top FAs are interested in joining them, they might trade for Deng. I can see Hinrich being moved though.

ok we agree on some stuff.

 

[Anytime23]

I think we agreed for the most part. Except on JJ.

 

[Bullsman24]

I forgot about that but i dont know exactly how it works. Is it only after rookie contracts expire? Or would a team like Miami be able to sign two max FAs and then sign Wade with the Bird exception?

ok so the way that it works is that first you have to renounce their bird rights to be able to sign a free agent. so miami would first have to sign wade then another free agent. they can NOT use the bird rights with him.

for the bulls, they would probably wait to offer an extension to noah after NEXT year. plus the extension would not affect the salary cap as long as it's an extension. the salary of that doesn't matter until the extension kicks in unless you're trading noah before the extension kicks in which won't happen.

 

[Anytime23]

Oh nice. Thanks for the info.

 

[Lex L.]

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[Gustavus Adolphus]

Deng's contract being so heavily backloaded means he is the one that has to go. I certainly don't mind seeing him leave either.

 

[Bullsman24]

btw you have to account for roster holds. so if you have 6 players on your team, you have to fill out up to the league minimum of 12 of absolutely minimum roster holds which are 473,604.

MY SCENARIO: hinrich, deng, taj, johnson and 2 firsts (this year and charlotte 2012) for bosh and hedo. they're looking to dump hedo and their two PGs. we give them legit threats at PG and SF. they'll need taj to come play defense behind barngani. johnson is a project.

 

[Anytime23]

Nice bump. After going through the salaries in another thread, i almost made this thread. i forgot we had one. I think Hinrichs # is at 9.5 according to ESPN.

 

[Lex L.]

With the rumors heating up, I thought Id bump this for reference.

 

[Lex L.]

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[Lex L.]

bump...the website has been updated.