Gar wants Carlos Boozer.

[Rose1]

Sportsunplugged is reporting Bulls are trying to trade Tyrus Thomas and Jerome James for Carlos Boozer.

http://twitter.com/SportsUnplugged

 

[vhans5219]

man i hope this trade happens

 

[B1LLIONAIREKR3W]

it has to happen!!! theres all ways hope!!

 

[JimmyBulls]

It's weird because I would think the Jazz would prefer Noah over Tyrus. They have Millsap and Okur, and Noah would seem like far more logical fit as the first big off the bench. While Thomas is more like a poor man's AK47.

Personally, I wouldn't care if the Bulls traded Thomas or Noah. The chance of landing Bosh or Amare is looking pretty unlikely, so Boozer is probably the best the FO can do.

On a different note, is anybody getting a tad bit sick of this deal that's never going to happen?

 

[TheStig]

JimmyBulls wrote:

It's weird because I would think the Jazz would prefer Noah over Tyrus. They have Millsap and Okur, and Noah would seem like far more logical fit as the first big off the bench. While Thomas is more like a poor man's AK47.

Personally, I wouldn't care if the Bulls traded Thomas or Noah. The chance of landing Bosh or Amare is looking pretty unlikely, so Boozer is probably the best the FO can do.

On a different note, is anybody getting a tad bit sick of this deal that's never going to happen?

We aren't giving up Noah is the difference, they probably asked and were declined. I still prefer to dump kirk in the deal rather than James. IMO kirk doesn't have a place on this team for his huge salary.

 

[houheffna]

We aren't giving up Noah is the difference, they probably asked and were declined. I still prefer to dump kirk in the deal rather than James. IMO kirk doesn't have a place on this team for his huge salary.

Kirk definitely has a place on the team, he is the third guard, first off the bench, every team needs a player like that, notwithstanding the fact he is a decent player who can do a variety of things for your team. His contract depreciates over time also. Hopefully they can find somewhere for him to go but if they don't, he is a good player to have for the immediate future.

 

[Simeon2UC]

Sportsunplugged liken Noah behind Shaq and Howard lol. I like the trade. Utah gets Slan guys. Houston adds Ty.Thomas whom almost averaged a double-double last year and fits great alongside Yoa. Plus, they get a Center. Who in the hell is David Andersen?

 

[senrad]

Without kirk we have NO backcourt. Rose + who? Salmons? Come on. who is your 3rd guard? Kirk makes more than i would like but his toughness and versatility are needed and cannot be replaced easily.

 

[houheffna]

Without kirk we have NO backcourt. Rose + who? Salmons? Come on. who is your 3rd guard? Kirk makes more than i would like but his toughness and versatility are needed and cannot be replaced easily.

The Hinrich statement I think comes from a Gordon Lover who doesn't like Hinrich to begin with.

 

[TheStig]

double post

 

[TheStig]

houheffna wrote:

Without kirk we have NO backcourt. Rose + who? Salmons? Come on. who is your 3rd guard? Kirk makes more than i would like but his toughness and versatility are needed and cannot be replaced easily.

The Hinrich statement I think comes from a Gordon Lover who doesn't like Hinrich to begin with.

Sigh, I like Kirk. If we didn't have Rose, I would start him. This is why I ignore your comments you always try to twist or manipulate what I say. Kirk has no major role on this team, most teams don't have three starting caliber guards and certainly don't pay them 9.5 mill a year, espically when they are on a strict budget. I like BG more but I am willing to pay 9 mill per year for a starter not 9.5 mill for a backup. Don't you think we can spend 9.5 mill per year a better way? Instead of paying it to someone who doesn't play 30mpg or score 10ppg and backs up our best player? Its like having a lambo and keeping a mercedes sl around. Yeah the benz is nice but your never going to really use it because you got a lambo sitting right next to it. Boozer is someone who fills a need we have had for year. He might not be perfect but he fits our team great and gives us something we need and getting rid of kirk, maximizes our cap space so we can sign a starter for that 9.5 mill.

 

[Shakes]

There are 144 minutes available at the 1-2-3. There are four guys on the team who are NBA rotation quality players at those positions: Rose, Hinrich, Salmons, Deng. That's 36 minutes each. I'd expect them all to log around that during games that aren't blowouts. Kirk might not start, but he's not going to be your typical backup guard, he's going to be playing big minutes on this team.

The argument about Kirk being a low minutes backup might make more sense if we weren't expecting our starting 2 to also be our primary backup at the 3. That's not even getting into the Deng gets injured and Kirk's a starter argument.

 

[senrad]

Exactly Shakes.

I agree with you too Stig that Kirk is overpaid. But to say he has no role here next year is silly. Even without injuries he is the backup to the 1 and the 2 and will play significant minutes when salmons moves to the 3. I have a hard time seeing Deng/salmons putting up 35 mpg for 82 games though so I expect kirk to start 10-15 games maybe.

 

[TheStig]

Shakes wrote:

There are 144 minutes available at the 1-2-3. There are four guys on the team who are NBA rotation quality players at those positions: Rose, Hinrich, Salmons, Deng. That's 36 minutes each. I'd expect them all to log around that during games that aren't blowouts. Kirk might not start, but he's not going to be your typical backup guard, he's going to be playing big minutes on this team.

The argument about Kirk being a low minutes backup might make more sense if we weren't expecting our starting 2 to also be our primary backup at the 3. That's not even getting into the Deng gets injured and Kirk's a starter argument.

First off, there are 6 rotation quality players. You forgot pargo and Johnson are good enough for at least 15mpg. They aren't as good as kirk but they are able to backup the pg and sf spot in the nba, pargo can also play a little sg. The four you named are starter quality and teams on a strict budget don't spend 9.5 mill a yr for a back up.

 

[Shakes]

Pargo is way worse than any of those four I listed. You don't want him playing unless the game is a blowout (or it's about to become one and you're rolling the dice). I'd be happy for him to get a DNP most nights. If we do trade Kirk then he's OK as Rose's backup, but if we don't, then he shouldn't see the floor.

At this stage of his career Johnson is nowhere near as good as Deng or Salmons. I'd be happier for him to get his minutes at the 4, because there's going to be more minutes there. At the 4-5 we have Noah, Tyrus and Miller. Miller is someone we probably don't want to wear out with heavy minutes, Noah will have games where he's in foul trouble, and Tyrus you never know what you'll get from night to night. I think Johnson can comfortably average 15 minutes a game playing just the 4.

I'm not saying Kirk is the ideal long term solution or we don't want to trade him (I think we do), but there's also no reason to just throw him away. You said throw in Kirk instead of James. That's a silly idea, there's no need to dump Kirk.

 

[senrad]

Is kirk one of the top 5 players on the team?

I think he is but I guess you could make an argument another way.

 

[wjb1492]

senrad wrote:

Is kirk one of the top 5 players on the team?

I think he is but I guess you could make an argument another way.

I think he's easily top 5, too - but I think the argument is that he can't play at the Bulls' weakest positions (Vinny having him guard Big Baby all too much notwithstanding), so it doesn't really matter all that much.

 

[houheffna]

I think that automatically penciling in James Johnson for so many minutes at a certain position is a bit far-fetched. We still don't know how his game will translate against legitimate NBA players. I am going to take a "wait and see" attitude on him and hope for the best. I can definitely imagine him getting those minutes initially, I am not sure about what will happen after so many games, kind of like the Thabo experiment. We will see.

 

[TheStig]

senrad wrote:

Is kirk one of the top 5 players on the team?

I think he is but I guess you could make an argument another way.

Outside of Rose, is anyone else a top 3 player on a playoff team? I don't think so. Kirk certainly wasn't top 5 last year, Rose, BG, Noah, Salmons and Miller were all better.

 

[AirP]

Gar wants Carlos Boozer.

No he doesn't, would he take him if he were on the cheap, of course, but if he really wanted him, he'd offer more and really go after him.

We want to build this team around Derrick Rose.
We told Derrick to work on the pick and roll, it's going to be our bread and butter.

Are these 2 statements true? Because if they are, it would make sense that the next important piece to Derrick Rose on this roster would be the guy he's pick and rolling with... but obviously it's not.