GB trades up for Love

[nc0gnet0]

I agree. Obviously hope the guy ends up being a bust but GB is a franchise thats done this before

I don’t know how bears fans aren’t already scared shitless of this guy and how well a pissed off Rodgers is gonna play next year

You waste a first round pick, plus a third, in the hopes it piss's off your first ballot HOF QB which in turn makes him better, better than say actually giving him a weapon?

In what universe does this make sense?

No, this moves screams of an insecure GM/HC hell bent on showing everybody that they are in charge.

 

[tgmxd]

You waste a first round pick, plus a third, in the hopes it piss's off your first ballot HOF QB which in turn makes him better, better than say actually giving him a weapon?

In what universe does this make sense?

No, this moves screams of an insecure GM/HC hell bent on showing everybody that they are in charge.

No it helps you in the future because you think he’s the guy and it helps you now pissing Rodgers off

We saw the same thing happen with Brady and Jimmy G where people thought he might be slowing down. He got pissed and went on an unbelievable run after that for several years that were some of the best of his career

Theres no doubt the packers are trying to push his buttons the same way after a couple down years where he hasn’t been the same guy

 

[nc0gnet0]

No it helps you in the future because you think he’s the guy and it helps you now pissing Rodgers off

We saw the same thing happen with Brady and Jimmy G where people thought he might be slowing down. He got pissed and went on an unbelievable run after that for several years that were some of the best of his career

Theres no doubt the packers are trying to push his buttons the same way after a couple down years where he hasn’t been the same guy

Jimmy was taken in the second round with pick number 62, hardly comparable.

 

[msadows]

No it helps you in the future because you think he’s the guy and it helps you now pissing Rodgers off

We saw the same thing happen with Brady and Jimmy G where people thought he might be slowing down. He got pissed and went on an unbelievable run after that for several years that were some of the best of his career

Theres no doubt the packers are trying to push his buttons the same way after a couple down years where he hasn’t been the same guy

I don't think rodgers needs any fire under his ass to perform better.

I think he needs another TE, and another WR.

Two positions that they could have taken at #29.

 

[msadows]

You waste a first round pick, plus a third, in the hopes it piss's off your first ballot HOF QB which in turn makes him better, better than say actually giving him a weapon?

In what universe does this make sense?

No, this moves screams of an insecure GM/HC hell bent on showing everybody that they are in charge.

My hope is that it creates turmoil in the locker room.

If it becomes a shit show in GB everyone in the NFCN will be so happy.

Who we should REALLY be worried about is the vikings. They got a lot better this draft AND got extra picks.

 

[Zvbxrpl]

I thought this pick was ingenious until the pundits said he threw 17 INTs, way up from 6 he threw in 2018 and 2017. He's going to sit with a clipboard and learn for at least a year, and there's no guarantee of success.

This is a worthy investment alone on the tools Love has. He's got everything you want physically but obviously has to polish/improve his mechanics and not make poor decisions like everyone else. He played a below average SOS last season, picking on some bad MWC teams and getting annihilated by Boise State and LSU.

I get the draft is all about positivity and hope, but reality is a ton of these kids fail/don't make it. The Packers have struck out on young, talented QBs before.

Let's put aside speculation at the moment and wallow in reality: what's disappointing is the bears' fucking archrivals have their shit together enough to put their young guy, regardless of whether he becomes good enough to be a 3rd straight HOF QB for those fuckers, or busts like many others, or somewhere in-between--they've put him in a position to succeed. Rodgers is clearly going to start and isn't going anywhere in 2020, and short of a lost lockerroom, neither is LaFleur or his offense.

I'm not defending Mitch or disagree that he's been a bust--but the Bears thrust him onto Fox and Dowell Loggains for a year before canning them then switching to an offense in which he clearly isn't grasping going on year 3 with Matt Nagy--hence a trade for Nick Foles. If QB becomes a top draft need for this team in 2021, what position is that kid going to be put in?

If only the bears were half as competent...

 

[Pegger]

This is and will be, the most mindnumbingly stupid pick of the draft. Erin is the GB QB until at least 2023 predicated on dead cap hits of 51m, 32m, and 17m. Why on earth select a rookie qb that has no chance of starting (barring injury) until 2023, year 4 of his rookie contract?

Erin has every right to be furious, not because of the competition, but rather GB's failure to add any relevant offensive weapons and trading away draft capital to boot.

Actually that's not true. Here's how the Rodgers contract looks for a post June 1st cut:
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Year	Age	Base Salary	Prorated Bonus	Roster Bonus	Workout Bonus		Guaranteed Salary		Cap Number	Cap %		Dead Money & Cap Savings Cut (pre-June 1)Cut (post-June 1)Trade (pre-June 1)Trade (post-June 1)RestructureExtension
2018	35	$1,100,000	$11,500,000	$7,800,000	$500,000		$7,800,000		$20,900,000	11.8%
2019 ?	36	$1,100,000	$14,352,000	$13,400,000	$500,000		$13,400,000		$29,352,000	15.6%
2020 ?	37	$1,550,000	$14,352,000	$5,240,000	$500,000		$5,240,000		$21,642,000	10.9%		$19,592,000	$2,050,000
2021 ?	38	$14,700,000	$14,352,000	$6,800,000	$500,000		$0		$36,352,000	16.9%		$14,352,000	$22,000,000
2022	39	$25,000,000	$14,352,000	$0	$500,000		$0		$39,852,000	17.5%		$14,352,000	$25,500,000
2023	40	$25,000,000	$2,852,000	$0	$500,000		$0		$28,352,000	11.8%		$2,852,000	$25,500,000
Total		$68,450,000	$71,760,000	$33,240,000	$3,000,000		$26,440,000		$176,450,000

Now, here's what it looks like in a trade scenario:

Year	Age	Base Salary	Prorated Bonus	Roster Bonus	Workout Bonus		Guaranteed Salary		Cap Number	Cap %		Dead Money & Cap Savings Cut (pre-June 1)Cut (post-June 1)Trade (pre-June 1)Trade (post-June 1)RestructureExtension
2018	35	$1,100,000	$11,500,000	$7,800,000	$500,000		$7,800,000		$20,900,000	11.8%
2019 ?	36	$1,100,000	$14,352,000	$13,400,000	$500,000		$13,400,000		$29,352,000	15.6%
2020 ?	37	$1,550,000	$14,352,000	$5,240,000	$500,000		$5,240,000		$21,642,000	10.9%		$14,352,000	$7,290,000
2021 ?	38	$14,700,000	$14,352,000	$6,800,000	$500,000		$0		$36,352,000	16.9%		$14,352,000	$22,000,000
2022	39	$25,000,000	$14,352,000	$0	$500,000		$0		$39,852,000	17.5%		$14,352,000	$25,500,000
2023	40	$25,000,000	$2,852,000	$0	$500,000		$0		$28,352,000	11.8%		$2,852,000	$25,500,000
Total		$68,450,000	$71,760,000	$33,240,000	$3,000,000		$26,440,000		$176,450,000

The absolute worst case scenario for you Bears fans is in 2 years the Packers can trade a very high performing Aaron Rodgers for a couple firsts, have a franchise QB with a rookie salary and actually add over $22M in cap space to get FAs.

 

[msadows]

Actually that's not true. Here's how the Rodgers contract looks for a post June 1st cut:
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Year	Age	Base Salary	Prorated Bonus	Roster Bonus	Workout Bonus		Guaranteed Salary		Cap Number	Cap %		Dead Money & Cap Savings Cut (pre-June 1)Cut (post-June 1)Trade (pre-June 1)Trade (post-June 1)RestructureExtension
2018	35	$1,100,000	$11,500,000	$7,800,000	$500,000		$7,800,000		$20,900,000	11.8%
2019 ?	36	$1,100,000	$14,352,000	$13,400,000	$500,000		$13,400,000		$29,352,000	15.6%
2020 ?	37	$1,550,000	$14,352,000	$5,240,000	$500,000		$5,240,000		$21,642,000	10.9%		$19,592,000	$2,050,000
2021 ?	38	$14,700,000	$14,352,000	$6,800,000	$500,000		$0		$36,352,000	16.9%		$14,352,000	$22,000,000
2022	39	$25,000,000	$14,352,000	$0	$500,000		$0		$39,852,000	17.5%		$14,352,000	$25,500,000
2023	40	$25,000,000	$2,852,000	$0	$500,000		$0		$28,352,000	11.8%		$2,852,000	$25,500,000
Total		$68,450,000	$71,760,000	$33,240,000	$3,000,000		$26,440,000		$176,450,000

Now, here's what it looks like in a trade scenario:

Year	Age	Base Salary	Prorated Bonus	Roster Bonus	Workout Bonus		Guaranteed Salary		Cap Number	Cap %		Dead Money & Cap Savings Cut (pre-June 1)Cut (post-June 1)Trade (pre-June 1)Trade (post-June 1)RestructureExtension
2018	35	$1,100,000	$11,500,000	$7,800,000	$500,000		$7,800,000		$20,900,000	11.8%
2019 ?	36	$1,100,000	$14,352,000	$13,400,000	$500,000		$13,400,000		$29,352,000	15.6%
2020 ?	37	$1,550,000	$14,352,000	$5,240,000	$500,000		$5,240,000		$21,642,000	10.9%		$14,352,000	$7,290,000
2021 ?	38	$14,700,000	$14,352,000	$6,800,000	$500,000		$0		$36,352,000	16.9%		$14,352,000	$22,000,000
2022	39	$25,000,000	$14,352,000	$0	$500,000		$0		$39,852,000	17.5%		$14,352,000	$25,500,000
2023	40	$25,000,000	$2,852,000	$0	$500,000		$0		$28,352,000	11.8%		$2,852,000	$25,500,000
Total		$68,450,000	$71,760,000	$33,240,000	$3,000,000		$26,440,000		$176,450,000

The absolute worst case scenario for you Bears fans is in 2 years the Packers can trade a very high performing Aaron Rodgers for a couple firsts, have a franchise QB with a rookie salary and actually add over $22M in cap space to get FAs.

Still doesn't change the fact, for me, that they just spent a first rounder on a win now team to pick a player who probably wont play for 2 years.

This helps everyone in the NFCN in the present.

I do expect them to trade rodgers down the road, however.

 

[nc0gnet0]

My hope is that it creates turmoil in the locker room.

If it becomes a shit show in GB everyone in the NFCN will be so happy.

Who we should REALLY be worried about is the vikings. They got a lot better this draft AND got extra picks.

I agree, and for that reason I love the pic. But this narrative that because GB did it, so it must be genius, is nonsense.

 

[msadows]

I agree, and for that reason I love the pic. But this narrative that because GB did it, so it must be genius, is nonsense.

It might make sense if it was still the same regime that took and developed rodgers.

It's not.

 

[A.C. Milan]

I'm pretty sure that the Packers can still draft weapons in the next rounds

 

[botfly10]

It's ironic that fans of the team that has mismanaged the QB position for it's entire history are talking trash about a team with 30 years of HOF QB play.

Maybe Love works out, maybe not. But you would think bears fans would be last to criticize a team for trying to take care of the position.

 

[nc0gnet0]

Actually that's not true. Here's how the Rodgers contract looks for a post June 1st cut:
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Year	Age	Base Salary	Prorated Bonus	Roster Bonus	Workout Bonus		Guaranteed Salary		Cap Number	Cap %		Dead Money & Cap Savings Cut (pre-June 1)Cut (post-June 1)Trade (pre-June 1)Trade (post-June 1)RestructureExtension
2018	35	$1,100,000	$11,500,000	$7,800,000	$500,000		$7,800,000		$20,900,000	11.8%
2019 ?	36	$1,100,000	$14,352,000	$13,400,000	$500,000		$13,400,000		$29,352,000	15.6%
2020 ?	37	$1,550,000	$14,352,000	$5,240,000	$500,000		$5,240,000		$21,642,000	10.9%		$19,592,000	$2,050,000
2021 ?	38	$14,700,000	$14,352,000	$6,800,000	$500,000		$0		$36,352,000	16.9%		$14,352,000	$22,000,000
2022	39	$25,000,000	$14,352,000	$0	$500,000		$0		$39,852,000	17.5%		$14,352,000	$25,500,000
2023	40	$25,000,000	$2,852,000	$0	$500,000		$0		$28,352,000	11.8%		$2,852,000	$25,500,000
Total		$68,450,000	$71,760,000	$33,240,000	$3,000,000		$26,440,000		$176,450,000

Now, here's what it looks like in a trade scenario:

Year	Age	Base Salary	Prorated Bonus	Roster Bonus	Workout Bonus		Guaranteed Salary		Cap Number	Cap %		Dead Money & Cap Savings Cut (pre-June 1)Cut (post-June 1)Trade (pre-June 1)Trade (post-June 1)RestructureExtension
2018	35	$1,100,000	$11,500,000	$7,800,000	$500,000		$7,800,000		$20,900,000	11.8%
2019 ?	36	$1,100,000	$14,352,000	$13,400,000	$500,000		$13,400,000		$29,352,000	15.6%
2020 ?	37	$1,550,000	$14,352,000	$5,240,000	$500,000		$5,240,000		$21,642,000	10.9%		$14,352,000	$7,290,000
2021 ?	38	$14,700,000	$14,352,000	$6,800,000	$500,000		$0		$36,352,000	16.9%		$14,352,000	$22,000,000
2022	39	$25,000,000	$14,352,000	$0	$500,000		$0		$39,852,000	17.5%		$14,352,000	$25,500,000
2023	40	$25,000,000	$2,852,000	$0	$500,000		$0		$28,352,000	11.8%		$2,852,000	$25,500,000
Total		$68,450,000	$71,760,000	$33,240,000	$3,000,000		$26,440,000		$176,450,000

The absolute worst case scenario for you Bears fans is in 2 years the Packers can trade a very high performing Aaron Rodgers for a couple firsts, have a franchise QB with a rookie salary and actually add over $22M in cap space to get FAs.

It's such a genius move, that BB decided to trade down, despite having a real need at QB. sorry man, your full of chit.

 

[msadows]

I'm pretty sure that the Packers can still draft weapons in the next rounds

Thats true for every team.

That doesn't change the fact they are in win now mode, in arguably the most competitive division in football, and picked a guy who doesn't help their current team for the next 2 years.

 

[msadows]

It's ironic that fans of the team that has mismanaged the QB position for it's entire history are talking trash about a team with 30 years of HOF QB play.

Maybe Love works out, maybe not. But you would think bears fans would be last to criticize a team for trying to take care of the position.

I only criticize them because of the current state of their WR/TE position.

I don't dislike the pick, he might be great, he might be horrible. There is a reason he went in the late first, and tbh, without patty he would have gone in the 3rd. He's got potential, but he's also got heavy potential to bust.

I'm actually happy they did this. The bears have a 2 year window on this defense. This is best case scenario for us in the present.

 

[kg1187]

Rodgers is unmovable for the next two years but they could trade him in 2022 and save 22 million in cap space plus I bet they could still get a probably get a 1st or 2nd rounder for him two years from now. Yes it would create 17 million in dead money but if they get a good pick back for him its pretty a palatable cap hit.

 

[tgmxd]

I don't think rodgers needs any fire under his ass to perform better.

I think he needs another TE, and another WR.

Two positions that they could have taken at #29.

From a production standpoint it wouldn't hurt

When you separate that production from how's he actually playing that remains to be seen. We're talking about his actual level of play, they are paying him elite QB money because they expect him to play like an elite QB who elevates everybody's play on offense

The past couple years he hasn't done that. Now you could argue part of that is this is the worst talent on offense he's had around him but there's no argument 2011 Rodgers would have gotten more out of them than Rodgers the past two years.

 

[ZOMBIE@CTESPN]

Who is the patriots qb right now? They straight up passed on love for an extra draft pick kind of says allot

 

[MurrDogg34]

Rodgers is unmovable for the next two years but they could trade him in 2022 and save 22 million in cap space plus I bet they could still get a probably get a 1st or 2nd rounder for him two years from now. Yes it would create 17 million in dead money but if they get a good pick back for him its pretty a palatable cap hit.

But at that point, Love is also making around what, $10M? So if you only look at the QB position, they'll still have a ton of money being eaten up at that position. They can't invest all that heavily because Jordan will be making even more money in the future if he is as good as they hope he'll be. So it still limits them to a certain degree.

 

[MurrDogg34]

I'm impartial with this pick. Could be great could be terrible. Rodgers might not be upset with this, but I'm guessing he isn't happy either. Packers can still draft a good WR in the 2nd but they also could've had a good ILB, too. You never know, it's the draft. I do think Love has benefitted greatly from the success of Mahomes. Almost like how you saw a run on European players in the NBA lottery after the success of Dirk. Just because they have similar traits and are put in similar situations, doesn't mean there will be similar results.