gordon over wade.

[pinkizdead]

i was havinga conversation with my friend yesterday over who the bulls should choose in 2010.

he was suprised to learn that i would rather have ben gordon then dwayne wade. i know it sounds crazy...but i would. here my reasons.

ben gordon is a great clutch player. he can hit HUGE! shots. like wierdly crazy insanely difficult shots. i love him. Wade is very very good as well.(better than gordon)

heres the thing. gordon is plus 200 pounds. he's a small guy, but he's a strong small guy. Wade is about 6'4. Neither are really your typical shooting gaurd. they're undersized.

Wade is a pretty consistent player. he can get to the basket at will, he gets alot of foul calls, and he can carry a team.

Gordon isn't a super star. i grant that. i dont think he ever will be a superstar, but he is a good player. He has problems dribbling, and he isn't awesome at defense. However gordon does have heart. i'll give him that.

Here are the issues that conscerned me the most. Gordon is a great shooter. he can spread the floor and he compliments rose well. Both rose and wade like to drive and kick. Wade is a decent outside shooter, but he can't hit them consitently. Gordon has a better ability to play with derek rose.

Gordon is a young player. he's never really had too many health issues. Wade's style of play might not be suited for his body. He get's injured alot(not this year...) But do i really want to pay a guy that might not be able to stay health all year long? is that my star? my go to guy? Furthermore isn't wade getting up there in the years? 28? next year he'll be 29? Do you want a 30 year old star that might be prone to injury?

Wade likes to be the primary ball handler in tough sitatuions. Will a wade rose duo work? Who would be the primary ballhandler? can Rose effectivly play off the ball?

Rose hasn't proven to be an effective shooter from beyond the arc. Neither has Wade. Who's going to spread the floor/open up the lane?

Gordon might be willing to take 8-12 million dollars over the next couple years. Wade wont... he'll probally want a max offer. I think he probally will get it too.

If we saved some cash by signing Gordon, i think we'd be a better team. AFter kirk leaves this year(hopefully it shall be him instead of gordon), i'd be more than willing to sign a defensive two guard who could drive it to the lane. It would be nice to have Rose and gordon starting. If the shots aren't falling, rest gordon and let some guy play defense as well as try to get some easy shots.

Any thoughts?

 

[dougthonus]

The only reason I'd even consider Gordon over Wade is if you were concerned about Wade's health and contract size/length.

Wade/Rose aren't as good a fit as Gordon/Rose from a skillset wise, but Wade's total talent vastly eclipses Gordon's.

 

[Riker]

Wade is great but I don't see Rose growing next to him, Wade needs to have the possessions all the time to be effective.

Rose can't improve in his game moving around without the basketball. He needs to be the playmaker.

Wade also is one more injury from disaster. I'm not sure if he actually recovered from his injury or is he loaded up with HGH (or both) but I think if he gets hacked one more time is over for him.

I think.

Maybe not. Either way, no. Wade wouldn't turn this team into championship team.

One solid power forward could.

 

[hfritz32]

Good points but theres no chance in hell Gordon could be better for this team then Wade would be. Wade now with his defenced improved and all will have no problem guarding 2s and 3s. His 3 point shot is legit now too. A rose Wade back court although they have similar styles would be unstoppable. Finding 3 point shooters wouldnt be a problem. There are great shooters in every level of basketball everywhere in the world. With these two though you would just need some nich players who can come into the game play some solid D, and hit the open 3. The main reason it would work was because imagine when rose will start getting calls like d-wade does. The bulls would put every team in the NBA in foul trouble. Getting to the foul line out weighs 3 point shooting anyday. I mean besides pure shooting Wade is better than gordon in every aspects of the game. The 2 chicago guards if played together would be the most athletic backcourt of all time and mabe even the best if Rose can get his game any where near what chris pauls is

 

[dougthonus]

It's also worth noting that you can't argue that Wade wouldn't create space for Rose. No team is going to leave Wade just because he doesn't have the ball, he'd destroy you when he got the ball if you did that.

 

[Dpauley23]

DT what happened with the tickets that I got from Fola? They said you told them that you lost them or something? Luckily they were able to let me in the building

 

[dougthonus]

I never talked to anyone about those tickets. I had a couple of seats left for will call for Gene, but that was for game A, I never made any call about seats for game B, so I'm not sure why there would have been a problem either way.

I'm glad they let you in though was there someone in your seats? My only guess was they accidentally flagged a couple extra seats for will call when I did the first ones by mistake.

 

[Dpauley23]

Luckily noone was in the seats. They were being persistent about your authorization on the tickets and since I didn't have your number I couldn't anything. After 30 minutes I was able to persuade them to let me in. I actually got to met Neil Funk and his family too.

 

[dougthonus]

Next time I'll make sure to email everyone my cell just in case something like this happens again, I've forwarded the seats a good 50+ times without ever having a problem though so I never thought about it.

I'm surprised they wouldn't call the number on my account though and ask me.

 

[Dpauley23]

I gave them your name and then they let me. Thanks again for the tickets though as I couldn't have a better time. The seats were much better than expected and I absolutely loved the crowds electricity throughout the game

 

[charity stripe]

I agree that BG is much better fit with Rose than Wade would be. Wade is very ball dominant, and he needs to be for the Heat to have a chance. You see how Beasley's development is negatively effected playing next to Wade. If the Bulls land a big man, and have a Wade, Rose, all star big man combo, I have my doubts on how well that would work. Gordon does not need the ball as much and the one thing he has over Wade, shooting, is at an elite level.

Obviously Wade is a top 3 player and is much better than Gordon, but we are talking about team fit and a backcourt mate with Rose here.

 

[Rose1]

For me it's simple. Blood is thicker than water. I would take Wade over Gordon any day. I shouldn't even have to explain why. If you take Gordon over Wade then you're a shit stain. Wade is a superstar for a reason. He takes pressure off his teammates like he did in the Olympics. By the way, Paul, Williams, and Kidd were the point guards. Besides, Rose would prefer to play off someone like Wade. He did say he'd love to have him on our side. I know you all are happy that Gordon hit the shot, but we still ace the same problems. I'd love to have Gordon back over anyone on the team - with the exception of Rose of course. But, too somehow prevent a possible attempt to sign Wade, simply no way. That's pretty much self-explainable.

 

[Rose1]

Gordon is the MVP of the squad. Hands down though. Give him his props. He's the most mental toughest guy on the squad. I hope Gar Forman and Pax resign this guy. Just do it in the right sense. We don't want to end up like Knicks. And will someone tell Rose to quit deferring and take the hell over!

 

[Hendu0520]

Ben is great and he is clutch but my new nickname for him is Black Hole. He never passes the ball once he has it. One time I think at the end of the 1st OT he had two guys on him and John Salmons just standing there wide open and he turned the ball over. Why can't he pass. When he makes them its great but some of those shots were terrible. Wade would be much better this isn't even a conversation, I don't wanna hear about taking shots from Rose, who cares we would be much better.

 

[??? ??????]

Ben Gordon is my favorite player, but I would definitely take away Dwyane Wade over him.

(Then again, Dwyane Wade was my favorite college player ever...)

 

[Newskoolbulls]

Lol this is funny. I rather have Ben Gordon over Lebron as well.

 

[pinkizdead]

dougthonus wrote:

The only reason I'd even consider Gordon over Wade is if you were concerned about Wade's health and contract size/length.

Wade/Rose aren't as good a fit as Gordon/Rose from a skillset wise, but Wade's total talent vastly eclipses Gordon's.

I agree wholeheartedly. wade is a far superior player. there is no doubt about it.


i thought we might have to give rose a max or big$ contract eventually. Wade will need one as well. They dont necessarily compliment each other that well. Wade is going to be older, and i dont see him being healthy for too long. Gordon's cheaper and a good player.
Err it should be noted that i was hoping to keep rose and gordon together in order to get a big. Gordon's contract would be less large, so it might allow us more flexibility. (especially if we could move deng and hinrich) It'd be better to see rose, gordon, and bosh/amare over rose, wade, tyrus/noah. I neglected to mention that.

 

[Hendu0520]

We are talking hypothetically, so bringing up contracts should not be a part of it. I thought the question was who is a better backcourt Ben/Rose or Wade/Rose. And yah maybe Wade wouldn't be the perfect fit for Rose like a Lebron or Kobe I guess would be better, but why would you not want someone who will prob finish 2nd or 3rd in the MVP vote? You are worried about 2 max contracts? Why can't the Bulls have 2 of the best players? Only the Lakers or Knicks can afford to pay 2 top tier guys? If Wade came to the Bulls I would clear whatever I could to get him in there or just pay the luxury tax.

 

[Hendu0520]

I disagree to this too, Rose, Gordon, Bosh would not be better than Rose, Wade, Tyrus, no way.

 

[TheStig]

I am a huge BG fan and I couldn't rationalize BG over wade. Wade is a top 5 player in the league, he deserves serious MVP consideration with Lebron and Kobe. Outside of Lebron, Paul or Howard, there is no one in the league I would take over him. Wade can take over a game both offensively and defensively and is probably the closest thing to a preretirement MJ this league will see. Wade is also starting to develop a 3 pt shot to stretch the floor.