Guard minutes against Boston

[thanson1990]

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Ben Smith looked great last night. Hope he stays up all year as his skill is a huge boost when teams finally think they are getting some relief after Toews, Kane, Hossa etc. leave the ice.</p>


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Although I can't help but think that Smith is setting a standard for himself as a bottom 6 forward. He may be that in the long run, but I definitely think on other teams he would be very solid on the top lines. I doubt he is complaining though, playing as a defending champion and being one of the favorites again this year doesn't get much better. </p>
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The thing about Smith is that he isn't the most gifted player on the team, but compliments it with grit and determination.  I think that's why he'll always be a bottom 6 guy in this league, since his game lends itself to the bottom 6 style of play.  I'd take him as an above-average bottom 6 guy rather than an average to below average top 6 guy.</p>

 

[Shantz My Pants]

For the record and advanced stats nerds:


Bolligs team on ice save percentage, is .915. Bickell, Saad, Kane, Toews, Versteeg are all lower.


He's also started the least amongst all players in the offensive zone. He's also has, outside of Pirri and Handzus one of the lowest defensive zone finishes on his shifts.


Take them for what they are worth, but by those numbers it doesn't make Bollig sound like a liability or issue. Especially on the 4th line where he averages near 10 minutes a night.

 

[mikita's helmet]

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For the record and advanced stats nerds:


Bolligs team on ice save percentage, is .915. Bickell, Saad, Kane, Toews, Versteeg are all lower.</p>
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It's obvious that Crow's just much more comfortable when Bollig's on the ice, case closed!!!!! rcs-buttshake:</p>

 

[PatrickSharpRules]

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The thing about Smith is that he isn't the most gifted player on the team, but compliments it with grit and determination.  I think that's why he'll always be a bottom 6 guy in this league, since his game lends itself to the bottom 6 style of play.  I'd take him as an above-average bottom 6 guy rather than an average to below average top 6 guy.</p>
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My thing is, right now he's playing 10 minutes a night and his stat line is GP: 16 G:3 A:4. For playing 10 minutes a night that is unbelievably effective, if thrown into a situation where he is getting top line minutes he could more than likely pull his weight and put up decent numbers.</p>

 

[Shantz My Pants]

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It's obvious that Crow's just much more comfortable when Bollig's on the ice, case closed!!!!! rcs-buttshake:</p></blockquote>


Considering he's our 12th forward, he's better than McGrattan, Scott, Sesitto, reaves, Boll and the rest of your goons. For a guy who's playing about 10 minutes a night, the argument that he's a waste is a joke.

 

[LordKOTL]

The thing that I find laughable is that if Morin is *really* in Q's doghouse for playing bad D, then why the hell aren't Keith and Seabs getting both barrels for their D play so far this year?</p>

 

[Variable]

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Considering he's our 12th forward, he's better than McGrattan, Scott, Sesitto, reaves, Boll and the rest of your goons. For a guy who's playing about 10 minutes a night, the argument that he's a waste is a joke.</p>
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For those teams wjith those players, no he probably wouldn't be a waste. For this team, yes. Especially when they keep trying to play him on the PK like Q did again the other game and got more time on it than Versteeg, whose stated purpose was said to help both special teams (and he got zero time on the PK) and Saad. I don't know why you're crusading for this guy, but again, he's easily the worst player the Hawks have in damne near every aspect of the game.</p>

 

[thanson1990]

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My thing is, right now he's playing 10 minutes a night and his stat line is GP: 16 G:3 A:4. For playing 10 minutes a night that is unbelievably effective, if thrown into a situation where he is getting top line minutes he could more than likely pull his weight and put up decent numbers.</p>
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I wasn't trying to say he couldn't, I just think he's more suited to the bottom 6 type of game.</p>

 

[Shantz My Pants]

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For those teams wjith those players, no he probably wouldn't be a waste. For this team, yes. Especially when they keep trying to play him on the PK like Q did again the other game and got more time on it than Versteeg, whose stated purpose was said to help both special teams (and he got zero time on the PK) and Saad. I don't know why you're crusading for this guy, but again, he's easily the worst player the Hawks have in damne near every aspect of the game.</p></blockquote>


Again, he's the 12th forward on this team. He's not hurting the team whatsoever unless he takes a dumb penalty.


Why did he play on the PK? Who was just out the shift before him and who was in the box? Was Versteeg tired? Was Bollig on the ice right before time expired?


You are making him sound like he's an absolute waste on this team, and the fact of the matter is he's not. He's got a role, he plays that role well. If Q is giving him PK time, I'm pretty sure he's got a very good reason, especially since we have such a loaded team that he could choose anyone from.


If it was such a big deal, don't you think Bowman Sr and junior would have some concerns against it?

 

[Variable]

What could the reason possibly be? That's what I would like to be asked of Q, but has yet to happen, I doubt it ever will be. It couldn't have been because Versteeg was tired, all you have to do is look at the shift sheets to know that. Bollig got more time on the ice than Versteeg did lol. That is a fucking joke. Players that never play on the PK like Kane are  better suited to play on it over him.</p>

 

[PatrickSharpRules]

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What could the reason possibly be? That's what I would like to be asked of Q, but has yet to happen, I doubt it ever will be. It couldn't have been because Versteeg was tired, all you have to do is look at the shift sheets to know that. Bollig got more time on the ice than Versteeg did lol. That is a fucking joke. Players that never play on the PK like Kane are  better suited to play on it over him.</p>
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Versteeg is also still coming off an injury from the start of this season....you have honestly reached the point where our team is so successful that you feel the need to go on these long extended rants regarding out 12th forward. Talk about wasting your energy and time.</p>

 

[Shantz My Pants]

I didn't see the game, so I can't give a decent opinion. Don't know if Versteeg was playing bad or lacked jump, or if he was hurt or what.

 

[puckjim]

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Again, he's the 12th forward on this team. He's not hurting the team whatsoever unless he takes a dumb penalty.


Why did he play on the PK? Who was just out the shift before him and who was in the box? Was Versteeg tired? Was Bollig on the ice right before time expired?


You are making him sound like he's an absolute waste on this team, and the fact of the matter is he's not. He's got a role, he plays that role well. If Q is giving him PK time, I'm pretty sure he's got a very good reason, especially since we have such a loaded team that he could choose anyone from.

If it was such a big deal, don't you think Bowman Sr and junior would have some concerns against it?</p>
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They allowed Quenneville to play that piece of shit Nick Boynton</p>

 

[MassHavoc]

I don't know about you guys, but after the 3rd line my nose starts bleeding...</p>

 

[Variable]

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Versteeg is also still coming off an injury from the start of this season....you have honestly reached the point where our team is so successful that you feel the need to go on these long extended rants regarding out 12th forward. Talk about wasting your energy and time.</p>
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Wrong, again, it's not as much about criticizing the player as it is criticizing the coaches deciding how to play certain players. And from all indications and reports, Versteeg was healthy and ready to go to start the season off with Florida, before he even came here. And eveyrthing that was said in his coming here, was that he would be here to help out on both special teams.  Even if everything you say is true, there's still no reason for Bollig to be playing on the PK.</p>

 

[Shantz My Pants]

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They allowed Quenneville to play that piece of shit Nick Boynton</p></blockquote>


He was also our 5th/6th dman.

 

[PatrickSharpRules]

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Wrong, again, it's not as much about criticizing the player as it is criticizing the coaches deciding how to play certain players. And from all indications and reports, Versteeg was healthy and ready to go to start the season off with Florida, before he even came here. And eveyrthing that was said in his coming here, was that he would be here to help out on both special teams.  Even if everything you say is true, there's still no reason for Bollig to be playing on the PK.</p>
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What am I wrong about? And why do you say again as if I have been talking to you at all? </p>


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Why the hell are you so volatile, take a chill pill dude, we are watching our defending champions get off to a great start. Versteeg still has only been here a week, he will be on your pk very shortly, in the mean time, just sit back and enjoy the best team in the NHL and shutup.</p>

 

[Variable]

I'm saying "again" not as if you were talking to me, but because it seems like I have to write the same preface for every post on this. You're making it out to be I'm criticizing Bollig, we all should know what Bollig is, and he's not a PKer. I'm criticizing the decision making by the coaches in how they play certain players where they are. The same way a lot of other people here have been doing all season long in other examples as well as this one. This is what a discussion board is for, if you don't like what I say, just put me on ignore.</p>

 

[Shantz My Pants]

Seems like the decisions and roles players are put in that some of you don't like are really hurting the team. /sarcasm

 

[Variable]

Not putting the best availaible players on a struggling PK? Yeah I would say that's hurting the team, especailly seeing as how it was constantly echoed around here last season that we'd rather have a really good PK over a really good PP (not that I'm necessarily disagreeing with that). Well now that the tables are turned, has that statement conveniently been forgotten?</p>