Guard minutes against Boston

[Shantz My Pants]

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Spunky Porkstacker" data-cid="215101" data-time="1385176831">


Bollig doesn't bother me as a 4th liner but I don't think he even belongs in a Morin, Smith, Steeg comparison. Morin may end up being better than Steeg and Smith but right now he seems very green.</p></blockquote>


They are asking him to play a role he hadn't ever played before. Since his junior days he's been a chippy goal scorer playing in the 1st two lines. His style of play isn't that if a 4th liner and he can't really adapt.

 

[Tater]

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Trev" data-cid="215102" data-time="1385178075">
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They are asking him to play a role he hadn't ever played before. Since his junior days he's been a chippy goal scorer playing in the 1st two lines. His style of play isn't that if a 4th liner and he can't really adapt.</p>
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True. Unfortunately on this team he kind of has to.</p>

 

[Shantz My Pants]

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Tater" data-cid="215110" data-time="1385195253">


True. Unfortunately on this team he kind of has to.</p></blockquote>


There is another great article from Bourne I'll post later that discusses why some guys don't develop into anything.


The usual comments of how their are talented guys in the AHL and why aren't they in the NHL is simple. They can play top 6 in the AHL, but they can't in the NHL. If they can't play a bottom six role in the NHL and won't/adapt, they never make it and become a minor league star.


You'll see a lot of guys get drafted who don't have the supreme skills of maybe another prospect, but if they don't develop to their full potential, they can still be effective elsewhere on the roster unlike a one dimensional prospect.

 

[Rex]

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Trev" data-cid="215102" data-time="1385178075">
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They are asking him to play a role he hadn't ever played before. Since his junior days he's been a chippy goal scorer playing in the 1st two lines. His style of play isn't that if a 4th liner and he can't really adapt.</p>
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And Frolik spent his whole career as a top line scorer, and he came over and became a fourth liner and PK specialist.</p>


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you either adapt, your someone else takes your spot.</p>

 

[Shantz My Pants]

Exactly.


You see tons of guys in the AHL who year after year put up great numbers, and people can't believe why their not in the NHL. Well, those offensive skills are great, but that doesn't mean they will translate as much to the NHL. If those guys don't want to play defense, an NHL team won't bother with them, unless say you are Columbus or Sabres.


I remember the convo a few years back I had with someone about why guys like Brett Sterling and Darren Haydar were big scorers or at least NHL guys. Haydar didn't have that great of speed, but him and Sterling didn't have the skill set to play as a bottom 6 NHL forward nor would they adapt.

 

[Ton]

Are we really comparing Morin to Brett Sterling and Darren Haydar?</p>


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And since when is Kris Versteeg a defensive master to begin with?</p>

 

[Variable]

How about Morin first gets an opportunity to adapt lol. Its like its already been decided, and I wouldn't doubt if it actually has because .......Q.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Tony DeFrancesco" data-cid="215141" data-time="1385248459">


Are we really comparing Morin to Brett Sterling and Darren Haydar?


And since when is Kris Versteeg a defensive master to begin with?</p></blockquote>


Nope. The point was why guys can play in the bottom 6 and why some can't.


Never mentioned Versteeg, but he isn't a liability in his own zone.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

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How about Morin first gets an opportunity to adapt lol. Its like its already been decided, and I wouldn't doubt if it actually has because .......Q.</p></blockquote>


Wait??? We can't discuss things? What's the point of having a message board then? Please provide us with a list of topics that are approved by you that we can discuss.

 

[Ton]

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Nope. The point was why guys can play in the bottom 6 and why some can't.


Never mentioned Versteeg, but he isn't a liability in his own zone.</p>
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Morin really isn't a liability either, though, at least he hasn't proven that he can't handle it yet. I brought up Versteeg because he is playing in the bottom six, and it's pretty obvious that the Hawks traded for him because they felt, for whatever reason, that Morin wasn't good enough... even though Versteeg really doesn't fill a role that we needed anyway.</p>


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Obviously Versteeg is more experienced than Morin, but for all intents and purposes, I'd take Morin over him if it means we keep Olsen/Hayes and we don't have a contract strapped to the team for another 3 years (granted, $2.2M is cheap, but if that's the case, why not keep Frolik? He actually filled a need) when Toews, Kane, Sharp, Hjalmarsson, and many others are looking at extensions and Crawford is bumped up to $6M per year next year.</p>


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I don't know, I wasn't very vocal when the move happened because I was still deciding, but at this point I just feel like the Hawks didn't need to make that move. They gave up two very good prospects, and snubbed another who has worked his ass off in the organization (Morin), while also adding salary and did not fill any immediate needs. To me, it's a sideways move, or slight upgrade over Morin, for the present, and potentially a bad move for the future. Nothing devastating, but I just don't think the Hawks needed to make this move.</p>


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Ultimately, I understand your point about some players that can't play in the bottom six, but flourish in the AHL... but to me, Morin doesn't fit that description.</p>

 

[Shantz My Pants]

Morin is still young and nobody has said he still can't adapt.


I wasn't the most thrilled either about that trade, mainly because I liked Olsen and his potential. Still early enough in the season for things to happen and I haven't even come close to writing off Morin, I think once he got more experience that he could be just as good if not better than Versteeg.

 

[Variable]

I mostly agree with you Ton, but like we talked about it, what was going to become of Morin continually being benched in favor of Brookbank?</p>


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That's what I was talking about Trev. Morin not being given the opprotunity.</p>

 

[puckjim]

Olsen and Hayes were never going to play for the Blackhawks. It's debatable whether they'll even make it in the NHL.


Same goes for Morin, by the way. And he's shown nothing that even remotely hints he can be as good as Versteeg.


They're prospects, nothing more.


They got a proven NHL player in Versteeg at a bargain price for almost three years.


Don't see what's not to like.

 

[R K]

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Olsen and Hayes were never going to play for the Blackhawks. It's debatable whether they'll even make it in the NHL.


Same goes for Morin, by the way. And he's shown nothing that even remotely hints he can be as good as Versteeg.


They're prospects, nothing more.


They got a proven NHL player in Versteeg at a bargain price for almost three years.


Don't see what's not to like.</p>
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I think it was all started with Bollig, but I just can't keep up these days...</p>


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I pretty much agree with everything you said up there, but believe Olsen will be good, but time will tell.  </p>

 

[Tater]

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[Ton]

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Olsen and Hayes were never going to play for the Blackhawks. It's debatable whether they'll even make it in the NHL.


Same goes for Morin, by the way. And he's shown nothing that even remotely hints he can be as good as Versteeg.


They're prospects, nothing more.


They got a proven NHL player in Versteeg at a bargain price for almost three years.


Don't see what's not to like.</p>
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Put Versteeg with guys like Bollig and Brookbank for each game and even Versteeg won't even show anything that remotely hints that he can be as good as himself. Lol.</p>


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4:58 of TOI last night. Tom Sestito almost had more ice time than him. How is he suppose to prove anything under these conditions? He has no chance right now.</p>


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I honestly don't want Versteeg for 3 years. I would have rather had Frolik at that price if we had to pay someone $2.2M to play on the bottom two lines and create a logjam.</p>

 

[puckjim]

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Tony DeFrancesco" data-cid="215184" data-time="1385309570">

Put Versteeg with guys like Bollig and Brookbank for each game and even Versteeg won't even show anything that remotely hints that he can be as good as himself. Lol.

 

4:58 of TOI last night. Tom Sestito almost had more ice time than him. How is he suppose to prove anything under these conditions? He has no chance right now.

 

I honestly don't want Versteeg for 3 years. I would have rather had Frolik at that price if we had to pay someone $2.2M to play on the bottom two lines and create a logjam.</p></blockquote>


I just don't care about prospects that much. Whether Morin gets a chance or not only matters if he's going to stay with the Blackhawks...And he isn't. Or if it could improve his trade value. Every team in the league has minor league prospects that could play a small role on the big club. Morin isn't special at all. He's just a guy.


Frolik was not going be to signed for the same salary when his deal was up. He'd be getting a raise and would be gone anyways. Besides, Versteeg is more talented than Frolik, so I'd rather have the better player any day of the week. Both are good on the PK, but Veesteeg can be inserted into top lines on occasion. Frolik sucked everywhere except as a role player. Good for him...He figured out how to remain in the league. But Versteeg has more to offer.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

I guess it's one mans opinion, but every player starts out as a prospect. They're worth more than I think you're giving them credit for.


Still early for Versteeg, he didn't look that great past night but he played well in other games.

 

[puckjim]

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Trev" data-cid="215191" data-time="1385320476">

I guess it's one mans opinion, but every player starts out as a prospect. They're worth more than I think you're giving them credit for.

Still early for Versteeg, he didn't look that great past night but he played well in other games.</p></blockquote>


Versteeg is a known commodity. Versteeg is a proven NHL player.


Morin is nothing right now. He's an unknown.


But his value to the Blackhawks is either in the minors or on the trade market.


He has no future here.

 

[Variable]

Not anymore and not really his fault even if the trade didn't happen.