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https://theloopsports.com/2018/03/30/bears-scouting-report-harold-landry/

Our excellent staff of Chicago Bears writers have covered most of the Bear’s options at number eight overall. Bradley Chubb (report on him still to come but not likely he falls to Chicago), Quenton Nelson, Tremaine Edmunds, and Minkah Fitzpatrick are the top four on my big board. And with the run on quarterbacks that is expected in the high end of the first round, it is almost inconceivable that none fall to the Bears.

However, in the unlikely event that none do fall, or the Bears aren’t completely enamored with their options, they should look at trade down options. Arizona and Buffalo need quarterbacks and could be looking to move into the top-10 from 15 and 12, respectively. If that happens, Boston College’s edge rusher Harold Landry is a very real and appetizing possible selection for Ryan Pace’s Bears.

With the need at outside linebacker and Landry’s skills as a pure pass rusher, Pace should take a hard look at Landry if he chooses to trade down into the teens.

Player: Harold Landry

School: Boston College

Position: Edge Rusher

Size: 6’3″, 252 pounds

Positives

He has a very good history of sack production. 16.5 sacks would be an excellent, sure-fire Pro Bowl season for an NFL pass rusher in a 16 game season. So when Landry did that in a 12-game college season, you can see why it raised a few eyebrows. Some players have a nose for the quarterback, and some don’t. Harold Landry does. The stats speak for themselves but on tape, it’s even more clear that Landry is one of the best pure sack artists in the draft. Obviously, getting to the quarterback is the most valuable asset you can ask for in any defensive player.

He possesses a great burst and speed off the edge. Don’t be fooled by Landry’s somewhat pedestrian 4.64 40 yard dash. His off-the-ball speed is the best in this draft class among linebackers and defensive ends. On his game film, what astounds me is that he isn’t even that good at jumping the snap, which is where the burst can come from in a lot of edge rushers (like Solomon Thomas last year). This tends to be an unteachable skill, which is why it’s something scouts particularly look for in pass rushers.

He has a dip move that will translate to the NFL level. Like Marcus Davenport, whose scouting report I completed last week, Landry has a pass rush maneuver that he goes to all the time and it tends to work very well: the dip. He’ll shoot off the line of scrimmage, drop his inside shoulder under the offensive tackle’s arm down to his stomach/hip line, and drive his feet outside so he can turn the corner and get to the quarterback quickly. It works often on tape and should do well against higher competition.

He forces lots and lots of fumbles. During his astounding 2016 season, Landry forced seven fumbles in 12 games, which is insane. Turnovers are something that the Bears’ defense severely lacked in 2017 and in all their years under Vic Fangio, so this would be a much-needed upgrade from what they had before. This will also translate well to the NFL because almost all of his fumbles were forced against quarterbacks in the pocket, who generally aren’t so great at holding onto the football against experienced turnover artists.

Negatives

His production fell off a cliff in 2017. There are two sides to Harold Landry’s college career. There’s the 2016 season where he put up 16.5 sacks, and the next year where he put up… five. That can be attributed to ankle injury issues (which is also a negative itself by the way) but on tape, he looked a lot more dominant and better as an NFL prospect in 2016. In addition, Landry exemplified the word “motor” in 2016 before showing significant effort and backside pursuit issues the next season. His junior year game film probably makes him a top ten pick, while his senior year film probably puts him outside the first round. Will the real Harold Landry please stand up?

He’s a one-move pass rusher. Here’s another similarity between Landry and Davenport (whose playing styles are almost nothing alike, to be clear, but have this trait in common). That dip move that I mentioned earlier is all he does. You’d really like to see an inside counter because the better offensive tackles in the NFL will adapt and stop the outside speed rush. This can be developed but it’s a little concerning that he only used one maneuver in his college career.

He isn’t much of a run stopper. I would have wanted Landry to be a complete player but his build just isn’t great for an elite run defender. He should get a little stronger as his NFL career goes on to supplement his elite speed rush.

Conclusion

Any time a player shows that much potential and polish at a premium position and skill (pass rushing), they have to be considered a top-15 pick, and often times players like that are taken in the top-10. Landry shows enough ability at getting after the quarterback on a consistent basis to solidify himself as a player who should be taken in the top half of the first round.

I project Landry to go in the 12-15 range. I rank him higher than Marcus Davenport in terms of pure edge rushers, and obviously behind Bradley Chubb. Landry is a clear trade down target for Chicago, and if a quarterback falls, I would call up Buffalo or Arizona with Landry as the Bears’ top target in a trade down scenario.
 

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I've been talking about trading down for extra picks and drafting Landry for a while and am still all about it.
 

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I would rather trade back get landry or davenport (if the prime options are gone at 8). Than take arden key in the second. I don't like key at all I would only take him as a project flyer in the 5th if he was still there. He screams over rated and if he has off field issues. I like landry over davenport by just a bit if we don't have a great choice at 8 I'm all about trading back. Getting landry mid round and taking hernandez, price or Wynn in the second
 

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I project Landry to go in the 12-15 range. I rank him higher than Marcus Davenport in terms of pure edge rushers, and obviously behind Bradley Chubb. Landry is a clear trade down target for Chicago, and if a quarterback falls, I would call up Buffalo or Arizona with Landry as the Bears’ top target in a trade down scenario.

Hmmmm, this draft analyst rates Landry as 2nd round talent, if based only on his 2017 season. So, taking him in the middle of the 1st round is accepting the risk that he'll magically return to 2016 form. Oh, and he's a one trick pass rush pony, but without the imposing physical tangibles to make that trick work consistently against NFL OTs. But Davenport should be rated lower because he's "very raw" and also is a one trick pass rush pony (bull rush...), although he does possess the elite physical (Clowney-like...) tangibles to give NFL OTs problems? Not sure I see the writer's logic here. Both guys would come with risks, but Davenport seems to clearly have the higher ceiling on the reward side. At best, I suppose there's an argument that Landry is more polished (less raw...), and more likely able to contribute earlier. But that would be a damn stupid rationale for taking him over Davenport, and I don't see anything in Pace that indicates such narrow-minded thinking.

Like everyone else here, I have no clue how the Bears actually evaluate the top guys. They may not be enamored with Davenport, or Landry, or both. But based on the conventional wisdom circulating around in the draft media, Davenport will go higher than Landry. And Davenport is more of a Pace-type 1st round pick...
 

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Hmmmm, this draft analyst rates Landry as 2nd round talent, if based only on his 2017 season. So, taking him in the middle of the 1st round is accepting the risk that he'll magically return to 2016 form. Oh, and he's a one trick pass rush pony, but without the imposing physical tangibles to make that trick work consistently against NFL OTs. But Davenport should be rated lower because he's "very raw" and also is a one trick pass rush pony (bull rush...), although he does possess the elite physical (Clowney-like...) tangibles to give NFL OTs problems? Not sure I see the writer's logic here. Both guys would come with risks, but Davenport seems to clearly have the higher ceiling on the reward side. At best, I suppose there's an argument that Landry is more polished (less raw...), and more likely able to contribute earlier. But that would be a damn stupid rationale for taking him over Davenport, and I don't see anything in Pace that indicates such narrow-minded thinking.

Like everyone else here, I have no clue how the Bears actually evaluate the top guys. They may not be enamored with Davenport, or Landry, or both. But based on the conventional wisdom circulating around in the draft media, Davenport will go higher than Landry. And Davenport is more of a Pace-type 1st round pick...

1. Landry was hurt in 2017.
2. No physical imposing intangibles? Landry's speed, get-off, change of direction and agility numbers at the combine measure up to Von Miller and Vic Beasely.
3. He's a one trick pony who registered 16 sacks in one season...imagine if he developed a counter move? That's not a negative for me.
 

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1. Landry was hurt in 2017.
2. No physical imposing intangibles? Landry's speed, get-off, change of direction and agility numbers at the combine measure up to Von Miller and Vic Beasely.
3. He's a one trick pony who registered 16 sacks in one season...imagine if he developed a counter move? That's not a negative for me.

The reason I don’t think the Bears will draft Landry is because Fangio likes long armed powerful edge rushers on one end.
 

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I don't think so either. For me and where they get drafted, it's Chubb, Davenport and if we go elsewhere in one, Carter in 2. He's just a great football player and could probably be very good at the edge if that is what's asked of him.
 

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His testing numbers are shockingly close to Khalil Mack
 

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The reason I don’t think the Bears will draft Landry is because Fangio likes long armed powerful edge rushers on one end.

I agree there are 2 separate arguements.

Landry is a good looking pass rush prospect.

The actual debate is whether he meets the Bears physical requirements.
 

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The reason I don’t think the Bears will draft Landry is because Fangio likes long armed powerful edge rushers on one end.

imo landry is still very much in play for the bears...a guy with that kind of gumbi like bend and agility should def be in play for the bears. his arm length is right around floyd if im not mistaken.
 

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I agree there are 2 separate arguements.

Landry is a good looking pass rush prospect.

The actual debate is whether he meets the Bears physical requirements.

You can't always mold a perfect prospect out of clay. Especially outside of the top 5.

I'd be utterly shocked if 6 ft 3 250+ isn't big enough for Fangio to play the SAM.

Landry's physical profile is very similar to Mack, Demarcus Lawrence and Von Miller.
 

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You can't always mold a perfect prospect out of clay. Especially outside of the top 5.

I'd be utterly shocked if 6 ft 3 250+ isn't big enough for Fangio to play the SAM.

Landry's physical profile is very similar to Mack, Demarcus Lawrence and Von Miller.

Both Pace in NO and when Fangio was in SF they drafted tall guys with 33”+ arms.

I don’t think that it precludes Landry, but they both seem to have a type.
 

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The reason I don’t think the Bears will draft Landry is because Fangio likes long armed powerful edge rushers on one end.
I think the Bears will like Landry, Davenport and Key. They were all very productive in at least their Jr or Sr years.

I don't think Fangio would be overly repelled by Landry's size... his arm length is only 2/8th of an inch shorter than Floyd. Obviously Landry is 3" shorter, but I'm not certain he's less powerful than Floyd was coming out of college. I think Fangio/Pace will like his burst and instincts. Nobody's thinking Landry will get any bigger, but he still fits Fangio's 3-4 as an OLB. I think Landry will demonstrate ability to drop into coverage with development.

For tenacity and instincts, I think Key is the best, but all three have it. Davenport the only one of the three who keeps topping his prior year's production. Of course both Landry and Key had injuries and reduced number of games. And Landry was accused of some lack of effort in 2017, but total reversal of unstoppable motor in 2016.

I think Davenport would likely be considered the most valuable because of his size/strength and both steady and increasing production. He seems the safest bet. Of course he's going to be seen more as a DE... or a non-coverage OLB, in Bears tradition of McPhee, Houston and Young. :p

The combo of Hicks - Goldman - Davenport would be deadly. If we took Davenport, I would think they'd force Bullard more into NT. But rotating Hicks/Bullard and Davenport/RRH would make sense too.

To me, watching Key's 2016 campaign... I'd describe him as if you combined Leonard Floyd with Vontaze Burfict. Key is built like Floyd but an amped-up missle like Burfict. Also, perhaps more so than Landry, I think with development, Key could also be good dropping into coverage. Actually, Key was dropped into coverage 21% of the time in 2017 and was graded well (PFF).
 

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I think the Bears will like Landry, Davenport and Key. They were all very productive in at least their Jr or Sr years.

I don't think Fangio would be overly repelled by Landry's size... his arm length is only 2/8th of an inch shorter than Floyd. Obviously Landry is 3" shorter, but I'm not certain he's less powerful than Floyd was coming out of college. I think Fangio/Pace will like his burst and instincts. Nobody's thinking Landry will get any bigger, but he still fits Fangio's 3-4 as an OLB. I think Landry will demonstrate ability to drop into coverage with development.

For tenacity and instincts, I think Key is the best, but all three have it. Davenport the only one of the three who keeps topping his prior year's production. Of course both Landry and Key had injuries and reduced number of games. And Landry was accused of some lack of effort in 2017, but total reversal of unstoppable motor in 2016.

I think Davenport would likely be considered the most valuable because of his size, strength and both steady and increasing production. He seems the safest best. Of course he's going to be seen more as a DE or a non-coverage OLB, in Bears tradition of McPhee, Houston and Young. :p

The combo of Hicks - Goldman - Davenport would be deadly. If we took Davenport, I would think they'd force Bullard more into NT. But rotating Hicks/Bullard and Davenport/RRH would make sense too.

To me, watching Key's 2016 campaign... I'd describe him as if you combined Leonard Floyd with Vontaze Burfict. Key is built like Floyd but an amped-up missle like Burfict. Also, perhaps more so than Landry, I think with development, Key could also be good dropping into coverage. Actually, Key was dropped into coverage 21% of the time in 2017 and was graded well (PFF).

Lynch/Hicks/Davenport/Floyd on 3rd down would be very interesting.
 

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Both Pace in NO and when Fangio was in SF they drafted tall guys with 33”+ arms.

I don’t think that it precludes Landry, but they both seem to have a type.


I'm fully of what they consider ideal. Ideal isn't always realistic was the point.

Any coach, or GM who passes on said player because a measurement is off by a quarter inch here or 1/8 inch there simply won't last very long.

If it's all about measurables, they'll roll with Davenport. If they want somebody who can bend as well as anybody since Miller came out, they'll roll with Landry, that type of hip flexibility is rare, coupled with the ability to get parallel with the QB.

Vic Bealsy didn't have that. He simply ran around guys.
 

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Lynch/Hicks/Davenport/Floyd on 3rd down would be very interesting.
Wouldn't it be grand if Bears got Davenport and Key?

Floyd - Hicks - Goldman - Davenport - Key

Good grief! That's scary!

I just don't see Key dropping that far (Bears 2nd Rd, pick 39), but it's certainly a possibility.
 

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I'm fully of what they consider ideal. Ideal isn't always realistic was the point.

Any coach, or GM who passes on said player because a measurement is off by a quarter inch here or 1/8 inch there simply won't last very long.

If it's all about measurables, they'll roll with Davenport. If they want somebody who can bend as well as anybody since Miller came out, they'll roll with Landry, that type of hip flexibility is rare, coupled with the ability to get parallel with the QB.

Vic Bealsy didn't have that. He simply ran around guys.

If it’s all aboot measurables, they’ll draft Edmunds and try to move him to EDGE.
 

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I project Landry to go in the 12-15 range. I rank him higher than Marcus Davenport in terms of pure edge rushers, and obviously behind Bradley Chubb. Landry is a clear trade down target for Chicago, and if a quarterback falls, I would call up Buffalo or Arizona with Landry as the Bears’ top target in a trade down scenario.
Yeah, I don't see Bears taking Landry unless they trade down. And to me, there seems like some good reasons to trade down.

The more I look into it, the more I could see Bears going with Davenport at #8.
 

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