Hawes or Noah

[J-Mart]

During draft day I would have been happy with either one. I preferred Noah but didn't think he would fall to us at first. If I remember correctly there was a guard whose stock rose closer to draft day and it was speculated that one big man other than Hawes would fall to us at nine. I'm too lazy to look at the draft history to remember all then names lol.

Couldn't be happier with Noah, hes a lock to be with us for a while unless we can get Bosh or Amare, even then I'm not sure if we would give him up.

 

[Diddy1122]

Rose1 wrote:

Hawes is what we need. A low post scorer lol! He's the most skilled young big man in the league at the Center position. You can argue Al Jefferson is but Spencer is the guy. I think we could of beat Celtics if we had him - depending on his health. The guy can play one-on-one defense in a stationed position. He can also shoot the three. Yeah all know Tyrus is a jumpshooter, but don't you ever compare them two guys. Tyrus can't hot if his life depended on it. Spencer can light it up. Noah will be great for us if he ever bulk up. Right now his lower body is not prototypical. He better get stronger before one of them big guys have him like Shaun Livingston of the Clippers. He scares me sometime when them mediocre big men tosses him around.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGPKIS6pB_c

Ok this obviously has to be a joke. No one with any sort of basketball knowledge would make statements about Hawes being better than Al Jefferson. Or that Tyrus is a jumpshooter. So basically I wouldn't put too much stock into what Rose1 is saying here.

As for Noah or Hawes, there's no question and there was no question on draft day for me. I've been one of Noah's staunchest supporters since Day 1. He was a breath of fresh air on a team full of introverted, vanilla personalities. The havoc he causes on the defensive end is something that Hawes could, and will never be able to do. Hawes may end up being the better offensive player, but Noah has the undying desire to win no matter what he has to do out there. And in his 2nd season he is already one of the better offensive rebounders in the league. Once he develops a 15ft shot, I think he could end up on an All-Star team as a reserve.

 

[dougthonus]

And in his 2nd season he is already one of the better offensive rebounders in the league. Once he develops a 15ft shot, I think he could end up on an All-Star team as a reserve.

There is no way Noah ever develops a game usable jump shot. No way. Ever.

 

[dougthonus]

J-Mart wrote:

During draft day I would have been happy with either one. I preferred Noah but didn't think he would fall to us at first. If I remember correctly there was a guard whose stock rose closer to draft day and it was speculated that one big man other than Hawes would fall to us at nine. I'm too lazy to look at the draft history to remember all then names lol.

Couldn't be happier with Noah, hes a lock to be with us for a while unless we can get Bosh or Amare, even then I'm not sure if we would give him up.

I think most people expected us to take Noah on draftday.

DX had Noah going to us on their mock for likea month if I'm not mistaken.

I think that draft went:
Oden, Durant, Horford, Conley Jr, Jeff Green, Yi Jianlian, Corey Brewer, Brandon Williams, Joakim Noah.

Okay, I know it's not Brandon Williams, but I can't for the life of me remember what his last name is. The guy the Bobcats drafted and traded to the Warriors who was supposedly really athletic with great raw skills, but needed polish and 20lbs of weight. For some reason I can't get Brandon Rush and Brandon Jennings out of my head. It's probably not even a Brandon.

Anyway, I don't think any of those guys moved up unexpectedly.

 

[dougthonus]

Okay, it was Brandan Wright. I should have just looked it up.

 

[Diddy1122]

dougthonus wrote:

And in his 2nd season he is already one of the better offensive rebounders in the league. Once he develops a 15ft shot, I think he could end up on an All-Star team as a reserve.

There is no way Noah ever develops a game usable jump shot. No way. Ever.

That's a ridiculous comment. I seem to remember a player by the name of Antonio Davis, who couldn't hit the side of a barn when he came into the league. Well he worked hard on his shot and his overall game and was named to the 2001 All-Star team as a reserve. And Noah has a much better skill set than AD did. True his shot is horrible to look at, but so was Cartwright's, and he was knocking down 15footer with regualrity during the first three peat.

As KG all let us know last year: ANYTHING'S POSSI-BULL!!!

 

[dougthonus]

That's a ridiculous comment. I seem to remember a player by the name of Antonio Davis, who couldn't hit the side of a barn when he came into the league. Well he worked hard on his shot and his overall game and was named to the 2001 All-Star team as a reserve. And Noah has a much better skill set than AD did. True his shot is horrible to look at, but so was Cartwright's, and he was knocking down 15footer with regualrity during the first three peat.

As KG all let us know last year: ANYTHING'S POSSI-BULL!!!

I guess anything is possible, so let me rephrase.

There is an extraordinarily low probability that Noah ever develops a meaningful jumper he can use in games. Look at his form, there's just no way. He throws it with side spin from his chest.

 

[Diddy1122]

dougthonus wrote:

I guess anything is possible, so let me rephrase.

There is less than a 2% chance that Noah ever develops a meaningful jumper he can use in games. Look at his form, there's just no way.

And I say check out old footage of Cartwright. Shooting with your thumbs is probably the worst shooting style a player could have, yet it didn't stop Big Bill.

 

[RC_Skinny22]

Isn´t Noah shooting FTs with both hands? For me it looks more like passing the ball to the rim.

 

[Diddy1122]

And I agree his shot is horrendous but it can be corrected. He improved his FT shooting from the start of the season. He shot 76% in the playoffs from the stripe. He still has alot of room for improvement. As long as he puts the bong down this summer and works hard on improving his strength, conditioning, and offensive game, I think he will be a double-double guy for us. Of course its only gonna be like 10ppg but he will get double digits in rebounds. I don't doubt that.

 

[dougthonus]

And I say check out old footage of Cartwright. Shooting with your thumbs is probably the worst shooting style a player could have, yet it didn't stop Big Bill.

Noah's form seems far worse than Cartwright to me. At least Bill got the ball over his head. Still, I conceded there is a chance, i just really don't expect it.

 

[Shakes]

I don't know why this was even a question at draft time.

Noah was always going to be an absolute steal at number 9, simply because if you can get any seven footer who can walk and chew gum at the same time that late in the draft it's a steal. People were down on him for lacking "potential", but that's just silly ... he'd already shown enough he was going to be a competent center in the NBA. I'd take that over the 5% chance to work out over-hyped athletes who can't play basketball any day.

You're not going anywhere unless your center can rebound, block shots and defend. It doesn't matter how much offense you get from them, they'll hurt you more on the other end if they can't do that. Look at Eddy Curry for the prime example of how much going for an all offense, no defense center hurts you.

Obviously if you can get a center that can play defense and be an offensive threat, you go for it. But if you have one of those guys you have a hall of famer who you probably got lucky in having one of the top 2 picks in the right draft. For the rest of the league, having a guy like Noah is the best you're going to do at the position.

 

[clonetrooper264]

dougthonus wrote:

And I say check out old footage of Cartwright. Shooting with your thumbs is probably the worst shooting style a player could have, yet it didn't stop Big Bill.

Noah's form seems far worse than Cartwright to me. At least Bill got the ball over his head. Still, I conceded there is a chance, i just really don't expect it.

Noah's form is absolutely garbage IMO. I am pretty good at imitating shooting styles of players, but I can't imitate Noah's. Can't imitate Cartwright's either. The way I see it, Noah could potentially develop a 15-ft jumper if he tries even though he has bad form. Look at Marion, his form is a joke, but he can still shoot. Let's just put it this way: unlikely but not entirely out of the question.

 

[hfritz32]

This is why i wish Cole Aldrich came out in this draft. He his Hawes without his major flaws. Aldrich is tougher, a better rebounder and shotblocker and has the offense ability Hawes does. He may not have 3 point range like hawes but who wants their center at the 3 point line anyway? (funny how I say that and Brad Miller hit like 5 for 6 3s during the series). But he does have a nice jumper out to 18 feet.

Hawes is just too soft to be a force in the NBA. I mean the guys 7 feet tall and only was able to get 6 rebounds a game in college. That is rediculous, you could put the present 6-6 Charles Barkley in a game and he could get you 6 reb a game in college.

As for the Draft this year, we shouldnt draft a bigman. I follow college basketball very close and as for bigmen around are draft pick there is no one. Blair is 6-6 guys, although tough I dont want a 6-6 pf trying to defend Kevin Garnett, He will get murdered. The bigs in this draft outside of Griffin are a complete Crapshoot, even Thabeet. The guards around us are shitty also but at least they have a glimse of potential. I would take a risk on Steph Curry or Tyreke Evans or even Teague or Lawson before drafting a bigman who 6-6. I love Blair as a player, I love his toughness but he wont be able to bully people in the NBA like he did in College.