Hawks-Bruins Talking?

[Jntg4]

This is not another Brent Seabrook rumor (necessarily).

Some rumors over the last couple of days (that seemed generated by the Boston media) had Seabrook going to the Bruins for defenseman Mark Stuart and a first round draft pick.

I am hearing this AM from a reliable source that the Hawks do have some interest in Stuart regardless. Maybe a lot of interest.

Stuart checks a lot of boxes in terms of the Hawks short term needs: size, age, skills, salary. He is, however, a UFA after this season.

Will let you know as I know more.


JJ

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[AddisonStation]

I'd take that deal..

 

[tbo41fan]

Seabrook is not going anywhere per Bowman this morning

 

[DewsSox79]

Seabrook is not going anywhere per Bowman this morning

right, because GMs tell the truth to the public all the time. dont be so naive.

 

[southern_cross_116]

Maybe maybe not - but the fact is that trading Seabrook for this Stuart guy is a huge downgrade at this point - if you make this trade you wouldn't have moved Skille for Frolik which indicates gearing up for a playoff push not a capitulation.

Dealing Seabrook is done if you figure you are not getting to the playoffs -considering 1 game has been played -and that one a win -- it would be pretty inconsistent to flip Seabrook.

 

[Everyday I'm Byfuglien]

No thanks.

 

[Jntg4]

I don't think Seab's is involved, but I do believe that they are talking. On HockeyBuzz's forums, the writer says he doesn't think Seab's is involved either, but he can't disprove it either.

 

[southern_cross_116]

I'm just looking at the guy's (Stuart's) stats and they scream "Boynton" at me - but maybe Stuart is younger and on the upward spiral of his career.

I don't know, but it doesn't seem like anything to get too excited about.

 

[AddisonStation]

Maybe maybe not - but the fact is that trading Seabrook for this Stuart guy is a huge downgrade at this point - if you make this trade you wouldn't have moved Skille for Frolik which indicates gearing up for a playoff push not a capitulation.

Dealing Seabrook is done if you figure you are not getting to the playoffs -considering 1 game has been played -and that one a win -- it would be pretty inconsistent to flip Seabrook.

No, I don't agree. He hasn't been all that great this year and adding a first round pick is always good for this team right now. Theyre going to need good in house contributors for the next several years

The only way I do not trade Seabrook is if you are absolutely going to sign him and are absolutely sure he will be affordable...

Sometimes you have to let guys go.

 

[tbo41fan]

No, I don't agree. He hasn't been all that great this year and adding a first round pick is always good for this team right now. Theyre going to need good in house contributors for the next several years

The only way I do not trade Seabrook is if you are absolutely going to sign him and are absolutely sure he will be affordable...

Sometimes you have to let guys go.

We will need some, but not alot IMO

With Kane and toews roster bonuses coming off this summer, thats 4-5 mil off the cap...factor in turco probably not coming back, thats another 1.3

thats 5-6 mil right there to sign some decent players...we wont HAVE to rely on AHL guys to step up right away next year like we did this year

 

[Captain Iago]

No, I don't agree. He hasn't been all that great this year and adding a first round pick is always good for this team right now. Theyre going to need good in house contributors for the next several years

The only way I do not trade Seabrook is if you are absolutely going to sign him and are absolutely sure he will be affordable...

Sometimes you have to let guys go.

At 25, Seabrook has been really, really good (sure, there's going to be some rough patches) and he ought to get better. Many of us would like to see him signed and not create a hole by moving him. A pick is a crap shoot and there's no one, including Hammer, who can provide the consistent physical presence along with solid defense with some offensive plus that's inherent in Seabrook.

You're right about having to let guys go sometimes, but the only way I would understand trading him is if he's "unsignable" at a reasonable rate. This isn't the guy considering the state of the team and the cupboard.

 

[Captain Iago]

We will need some, but not alot IMO

With Kane and toews roster bonuses coming off this summer, thats 4-5 mil off the cap...factor in turco probably not coming back, thats another 1.3

thats 5-6 mil right there to sign some decent players...we wont HAVE to rely on AHL guys to step up right away next year like we did this year

What are the chances of keeping Crow either at or below that number? :/

 

[tbo41fan]

What are the chances of keeping Crow either at or below that number? :/

I see crawford at 1.5-2

so at most, 700k more than Turco IMO

 

[southern_cross_116]

I'm not even interested if it is Boston's own #1 ... pass. Do they got Toronto's? If so maybe -- but if I am gearing up for a playoff making run, then I would think bodies are better than draft choices -which is all I'm saying.

I think that the Frolik thing indicates they haven't given up on the season; adding a Stuart while subtracting a Seabrook doesn't improve the defense, and arguably makes it worse.

Anyways, in light of the Florida trade, personally I think that most of this is "happy talk" out of Boston. It makes zero sense.

Edited: .... if it isn't just another case of some guy with a blog trying to big note themselves by posting shit (which wouldn't be the first time in the world that this sort of thing has happened).

 

[AddisonStation]

At 25, Seabrook has been really, really good (sure, there's going to be some rough patches) and he ought to get better. Many of us would like to see him signed and not create a hole by moving him. A pick is a crap shoot and there's no one, including Hammer, who can provide the consistent physical presence along with solid defense with some offensive plus that's inherent in Seabrook.

You're right about having to let guys go sometimes, but the only way I would understand trading him is if he's "unsignable" at a reasonable rate. This isn't the guy considering the state of the team and the cupboard.

I suppose this is where we disagree. I think Seabrook is now "what you see is what you get." just IMO

I'm not even interested if it is Boston's own #1 ... pass. Do they got Toronto's? If so maybe -- but if I am gearing up for a playoff making run, then I would think bodies are better than draft choices -which is all I'm saying.

I think that the Frolik thing indicates they haven't given up on the season; adding a Stuart while subtracting a Seabrook doesn't improve the defense, and arguably makes it worse.

Anyways, in light of the Florida trade, personally I think that most of this is "happy talk" out of Boston. It makes zero sense.

Edited: .... if it isn't just another case of some guy with a blog trying to big note themselves by posting shit (which wouldn't be the first time in the world that this sort of thing has happened).

They do have Toronto's first round pick... Again....

 

[Everyday I'm Byfuglien]

At 25, Seabrook has been really, really good (sure, there's going to be some rough patches) and he ought to get better. Many of us would like to see him signed and not create a hole by moving him. A pick is a crap shoot and there's no one, including Hammer, who can provide the consistent physical presence along with solid defense with some offensive plus that's inherent in Seabrook.

You're right about having to let guys go sometimes, but the only way I would understand trading him is if he's "unsignable" at a reasonable rate. This isn't the guy considering the state of the team and the cupboard.

Perfectly said. :clap:

 

[southern_cross_116]

:/ Well part of my problem is that I keep forgetting how young Seabrook is- as he's been around, it seems, forever.

Most defensemen in the old days (say 1980's and 1990's) were reputed to hit their prime at about 27 or 28. I don't think that there is any evidence showing that Seabrook has peaked; if anything this is a guy that has done what you want when you draft a guy.

I have no problem letting go with anyone -but I do have a problem getting back nothing. However since Seabrook is an RFA and not a UFA then saying that you get nothing back is incorrect. Granted, he would have to be tendered a qualifying offer first.

And you do have to get something of value back -in this case, I think it requires more back than a bottom pairing (at best) defenseman and a first round pick. Toronto's pick would be better than Boston's own - but I don't think that is nearly enough, that deal does everything for Boston and doesn't do much at all for Chicago... I suppose as such, then what you have here is the 'low offer' in a bidding war -with no guarantee that Chicago goes for any of them.

If it is me I would want at least 3 guys of this Stuart guy's caliber, *and* Toronto's top draft choice, hell toss in Scott, and make it 4 guys of Stuart's caliber.

Personally I might take Stuart - but I'd give up a late round draft choice only for the guy, and I am fairly sure that there are better guys out there for what the team needs now.

 

[icehogfan08]

And you do have to get something of value back -in this case, I think it requires more back than a bottom pairing (at best) defenseman and a first round pick. Toronto's pick would be better than Boston's own - but I don't think that is nearly enough, that deal does everything for Boston and doesn't do much at all for Chicago... I suppose as such, then what you have here is the 'low offer' in a bidding war -with no guarantee that Chicago goes for any of them.

If it is me I would want at least 3 guys of this Stuart guy's caliber, *and* Toronto's top draft choice, hell toss in Scott, and make it 4 guys of Stuart's caliber.

Personally I might take Stuart - but I'd give up a late round draft choice only for the guy, and I am fairly sure that there are better guys out there for what the team needs now.

Stuart is the type of D-man Bowman is looking to acquire. He is also probably the cheapest one to get as the Bruins have no room for him in the organization. Just because he doesn't put up good numbers doesn't mean he is a bad player. Also take into consideration his games played, and how often he gets to play. If he is bing thrown in the line-up every 4-5 games, its probably hard for him to settle in.

As far as the deal goes, sen some prospect which we have plenty of, and one of our usual scratches or a late round pick.

 

[southern_cross_116]

Yes, not too worried about the numbers... I figured that the way Bowman was talking, he was looking for someone to fill the role Sopel did for the team last season.

The fact that the Bruins have no room for him in their organization is part of what made the entire "Seabrook" thing a complete fantasy on that Boston writer's part.

I don't know that this Stuart guy is worth 2 players, he might be worth one of our scratches for one of their scratches -but not good enough to flip a prospect for unless it is some guy that is a longshot that they want to take a flier on. But I would think though a late round draft choice is the going rate for guys like him.

 

[icehogfan08]

Yes, not too worried about the numbers... I figured that the way Bowman was talking, he was looking for someone to fill the role Sopel did for the team last season.

The fact that the Bruins have no room for him in their organization is part of what made the entire "Seabrook" thing a complete fantasy on that Boston writer's part.

I don't know that this Stuart guy is worth 2 players, he might be worth one of our scratches for one of their scratches -but not good enough to flip a prospect for unless it is some guy that is a longshot that they want to take a flier on. But I would think though a late round draft choice is the going rate for guys like him.

True, but if Bowman sees him as the missing piece, then a prospect could be moved, especially offensive D-man since we have too many in our organization.

Stuart is also young (26) and can possibly be worth the gamble. Also if he plays a full season it look like he could put up 20 points, not bad for a 3rd pair player