Hawks @ Jets

[Granada]

Kane was sensational of course, but this was a pure goalie win to me. Lehner is the real deal -- I really don't know whether he will even be able to be re-signed after this year, or if he would even want to stay here, but the more I watch him, the more I see Crawford gone. I've always liked Crawford, but at this point, I'm hoping he waives his NMC at the deadline, so we can get something for him. The only way it would make sense to re-sign Crow would be if he wanted peanuts, like 2 million a year or something, with no NMC attached. Guess it will depend on if the Hawks will want to re-sign Lehner to 8-9 million long term -- which would be somewhat dumb just before a true rebuild.

 

[RacerX]

Which is why Kaner is the guy that has to go. I love him but if you wait too much longer he won't be valued enough to move with that king sized contract he has. The Rangers always seem willing to take on high priced stars....Kane could rehash old times with the Breadman. He should still bring a King's ransome in return.

Not gonna happen with #88, he is the main attraction and letting him go is tantamount to raising the white flag and going in the tank. Of course, that is precisely what needs to be done, but the FO has other priorities.

 

[Diehardfan]

Not gonna happen with #88, he is the main attraction and letting him go is tantamount to raising the white flag and going in the tank. Of course, that is precisely what needs to be done, but the FO has other priorities.

If that's what they have in mind, then there's no hope for them. There's an old baseball quote that reads......
"Trade a player a year too early rather than a year too late.

It makes all kinds of sense here.....once he starts regressing with that contract, he'll be as worthless as Toews is on the trade market.

 

[DaHawkz24]

Kane will be like Jagr, and be able to play as long as he wants

 

[hawkinmontreal]

Lehner kept that game in Hawks control long enough to earn the win, never let them play fair after the lead.

Big wins @Preds, @Bruins, @Jets, @Vegas leave me scratching my head.

Hawks can be a good team, but to many players with high priced contracts play only occasionall.

 

[hawkinmontreal]

Toews has a srs negative-value contract, no one is taking that on unless we add assets.

Tazer is a solid player, he is just not the player he once was but still can be valuable to put a team over the top.

 

[RacerX]

Tazer is a solid player, he is just not the player he once was but still can be valuable to put a team over the top.

Yes, he has value for sure. But he is currently a $6mm/year player getting paid $10.5mm.

 

[anotheridiot]

Yesterday after Saad left the game, it was Toews, Nylander and Kubalik for a few shifts, then potter tried to put Carp out with him, Kane was double shifting, got back with Strome and Cat for some shifts, then worked with Dach on his shifts. I really needed to see a goal from that Strome line in hope they would be back together tomorrow for our top line. Toews second line with Kubalik and most likely Dach. Dach really needs to play on a wing with a strong faceoff guy, and Toews is still that, he is 11th over all,(including guys that only take a dozen per game) but as far as guys that take over 20 per game, he is tied for second in percentage at 56.6 and third most taken, third most overall wins.
That makes him more than a 6 million dollar player.

 

[Shooter58]

a 6 million dollar player, in 5 years maybe , have a look around the league at those who make 6 million, and see if you would trade tazer for any of them !

 

[Shooter58]

and as far as tazer being useless, guess you just look at goals,and points, face offs and defensive play don't mean a thing any more huh

 

[hawkinmontreal]

and as far as tazer being useless, guess you just look at goals,and points, face offs and defensive play don't mean a thing any more huh

That’s because his defensive side of his game has been on a huge decline, his face offs are fine, but there is no way he is an elite two way player like he once was. He certainly is not a 6 million dollar player, but 10.5 is about 3 million to much.

 

[Jack Lantern]

Tazer is a solid player, he is just not the player he once was but still can be valuable to put a team over the top.

Everything in todays NHL is about the cap hit and bang for the buck. You saw first hand what mismanagement with cap money has done with the Blackhawks as their depth has been shredded year after year.

JT brings zero value in trade talks. Blackhawks would have to practically bribe a team to take on his contract by way of top prospects and draft picks.

 

[hawkinmontreal]

Everything in todays NHL is about the cap hit and bang for the buck. You saw first hand what mismanagement with cap money has done with the Blackhawks as their depth has been shredded year after year.

JT brings zero value in trade talks. Blackhawks would have to practically bribe a team to take on his contract by way of top prospects and draft picks.

I disagree with that, there have been many albatross contracts moved before. JT has all the right intangibles and could be a stud on another team where he doesn’t have to be the main guy. Tazer is far from being a bad hockey player, but whatever the reasons he hasn’t been the player the Hawks need right now or have needed, besides last season since there last cup.

 

[Raskolnikov]

Yesterday after Saad left the game, it was Toews, Nylander and Kubalik for a few shifts, then potter tried to put Carp out with him, Kane was double shifting, got back with Strome and Cat for some shifts, then worked with Dach on his shifts. I really needed to see a goal from that Strome line in hope they would be back together tomorrow for our top line. Toews second line with Kubalik and most likely Dach. Dach really needs to play on a wing with a strong faceoff guy, and Toews is still that, he is 11th over all,(including guys that only take a dozen per game) but as far as guys that take over 20 per game, he is tied for second in percentage at 56.6 and third most taken, third most overall wins.
That makes him more than a 6 million dollar player.

Saad-Toews-Kubalik
el Gato-Disco-Kane
Jewels/Nylander-Kampf-Carp
Nylander/Highmore/Sikura-Dach-Smith

Instead give Dach a wing who controls faceoffs at other hash and compliments his two way lumbering game.

4th line center is the only place to hide and develop the 18year old center now. Make that a 10-12 minute garbage line and the rest got to earn their money and call upon Carp to be whatever you want him to be...fill in on third.

Let's go!

 

[Diehardfan]

and as far as tazer being useless, guess you just look at goals,and points, face offs and defensive play don't mean a thing any more huh

No one is saying he's useless. He's being paid over $10 million a year......you need more than defense when a player is taking that big a gouge out of the salary cap. For that reason, his trade value is negligible at best.

 

[anotheridiot]

Saad-Toews-Kubalik
el Gato-Disco-Kane
Jewels/Nylander-Kampf-Carp
Nylander/Highmore/Sikura-Dach-Smith

Instead give Dach a wing who controls faceoffs at other hash and compliments his two way lumbering game.

4th line center is the only place to hide and develop the 18year old center now. Make that a 10-12 minute garbage line and the rest got to earn their money and call upon Carp to be whatever you want him to be...fill in on third.

Let's go!

I was just stating that we will probably be without Saad for at least a few weeks if it is just an ankle, but it definitely looked like a knee. Jewels is showing no sign of returning soon. It is gonna be ugly on that top line without just taking the obvious easy out of loading up with Kane there again. Too easy to get the best d lineup on against them Seems like the more recent plan is to get their best offensive line out and make Toews and Kane play defense.

 

[Jack Lantern]

Remember in the offseason when NHL network didn't even rank JT top 20 centers in the league. That says it all of how his game has gone downhill. He's just "A Guy" at this point of his career being paid like a "The Guy" player.

 

[RacerX]

No one is saying he's useless. He's being paid over $10 million a year......you need more than defense when a player is taking that big a gouge out of the salary cap. For that reason, his trade value is negligible at best.

A $10+mm/year player needs to be the best skater on the ice at all times and be continuously impactful. He's not that guy.

I previously stated that he's more like a $6mm/year value player, which in retrospect was aggressive, so I revise my statement to somewhere between $7.0-$7.5mm per year. So he is currently overpaid by at least $3.0mm/year, and worse, he is on the downside of his career due to age, wear and tear.

For any team to take on his contract, they will demand picks and prospects we don't have or cannot afford.

The optimal play here is to just suck it up for another 3 years and let the shit contracts expire while tanking and hopefully drafting well. SB isn't the right guy, we can all agreed on that, but regardless we should suck for another 3 years in order to rebuild for 2022 and beyond.

 

[Raskolnikov]

Well...all that depth now has opportunity. I guess it's a development year with two ace goalies. Trade them both and try to resign Lehner as a free agent, but secure a top 5 pick and all the ammo you can, start now building for one last run with Kane/Toews 2020. Then trade them too.

 

[LordKOTL]

If that's what they have in mind, then there's no hope for them. There's an old baseball quote that reads......
"Trade a player a year too early rather than a year too late.

It makes all kinds of sense here.....once he starts regressing with that contract, he'll be as worthless as Toews is on the trade market.

You're operating under the assumption that a player like Kane will regress significantly by 2023. Honestly, I don't think he will.

Plus, he won't be making as-much on his next contract.