beckdawg
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FTR, myth
What parts a myth? I mean i have heard stories that basically there was some writer who hated him and made him out to be worse than he was(think it was on a radio lab podcast but not sure). But there's no doubting the dude slide spikes up into bases and went into the stands. Either way, even if Cobb was an angel that wasn't really my point. My point was there's always going to be assholes in the league that play up to and probably across the line.
What bugs me is that baseball has literally from the beginning been a game about cheating. The old adage if you ain't cheatin you ain't tryin comes to mind. Whether it was stealing signs or altering the ball that stuff happened for decades prior to HGH. And then you have the fact that players prior to Jackie Robinson didn't play with blacks and players prior to the latin explosion didn't play with another large source of talent. I guess what i'm trying to say here is people who are against steroid users being in the hall seem to think that prior to them that everyone in the hall of fame was pure and that their numbers were "real." But you can easily dismantle that debate. I mean the whole reason 61 had an asterisk for such a long time was because it was playing in a different set of rules.
At the end of the day, the game changes. So comparing players from the 2000's to players from the 70's or 50's is stupid. It's an entirely different game. If the hall of fame is a place about numbers and records(which let's be honest is how writers vote) then how the hell do you leave out the guys of their generation with the best numbers? If it's about people who made the sport interesting, how do you leave out the players that literally brought the game back from the dead after the strike? If it's about representing the best of baseball then why are players like Lofton never going to make it in?
Really think the debate comes down to old players being jealous their numbers are eclipsed. But that's what happens.