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I hope this happens. Would greatly help our defense and add more young pitching.
 

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Padres, Mets Discussing Trade Scenarios
April 2nd, 2022 at 8:50am CST • By TC Zencka
8:50 AM: A potential deal between the two sides would be a little more complex than initially presumed. Per Joel Sherman of the New York Post (via Twitter), the Padres would unsurprisingly need to eat a fair amount of the money owed to Hosmer in order to make this deal work. Specifically, the Padres would cover roughly $30MM or more of Hosmer’s deal, bringing Hosmer’s per annum down to $6-7MM per year, per Sherman.

The Mets would also get reliever Emilio Pagan in the deal. Pagan has at times looked like a premier bullpen arm during his five seasons in the bigs with the Mariners, Rays, A’s, and Padres. The 30-year-old is an option to close games if he stays in San Diego, whereas in New York he would slot into a fairly deep collection of right-handed setup arms that includes Adam Ottavino, Drew Smith, Miguel Castro, Trevor May, and Seth Lugo.
 

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The Pads want a OF in this deal. Mets are offering Dominic Smith.

Cubs could counter with Heyward. Eat the difference on this year. Now that is a wash deal IMO and really not addressing the Cubs needs.

Now if Jed was looking at Paddock and Hosmer it would start with Happ. Then he would be in the same situation. Forcing SD to eat 30M of Hosmer.

I really believe that this is not a real match up. The Mets have more glaring issues going on and a larger need as they have Degromm with health issues and a 300M payroll to justify.
 

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The way I feel about this subject:

Right now Happ is still recovering from elbow clean out so he is going to soak some DH. Then Contreras will soak some on his days off.

Right now the biggest issue is not 1B. The biggest issue is Heyward compiling below 0 WAR.

What that means is Jed would be better served DFA him and let a team pay him league min than play him for negative value.

This is a glaring issue right now. He is hitting .095 right now. Hermesllo is very good vs LH pitching. RH platoon him. Ortega is hitting .125.

So as of right now CF is pretty crappy at best. Happ is not a solution there this year. I wouldn't risk his elbow. Frazier has looked solid enough to justify LF full time.

So looking at the team. DH is going to be us d for injury prevention vs hide a glove.

It is what it is.

Just hope Davis rips apart AAA pitching and closes this problem.
 

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The Pads want a OF in this deal. Mets are offering Dominic Smith.

Cubs could counter with Heyward. Eat the difference on this year. Now that is a wash deal IMO and really not addressing the Cubs needs.

Now if Jed was looking at Paddock and Hosmer it would start with Happ. Then he would be in the same situation. Forcing SD to eat 30M of Hosmer.

I really believe that this is not a real match up. The Mets have more glaring issues going on and a larger need as they have Degromm with health issues and a 300M payroll to justify.
I'd rather eat all of Hosmers contract and get a good prospect. No reason to have SD eat it and get a lesser package. Also Heyward is not a substitute for Smith
 

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I'd rather eat all of Hosmers contract and get a good prospect. No reason to have SD eat it and get a lesser package. Also Heyward is not a substitute for Smith

You have to remember that the Pads are gunning for a OF. Cubs lack that outside of Happ.
 

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You have to remember that the Pads are gunning for a OF. Cubs lack that outside of Happ.
And happ is meaningless to us if we can get a good prospect. In fact Hosmer is a significantly better player
 

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According to reporting from SNY's Andy Martino, the Mets would look to flip Hosmer to another team, though MLB Network insider Joel Sherman reports that Hosmer's contract includes a clause that provides him full no-trade rights after he's traded once. (Hosmer currently has a 10-team no-trade list that reportedly doesn't include the Mets.)

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4:57PM: Jon Heyman of MLB Network reports that talks may have stalled entirely after the two sides “hit a snag” in negotiations. Sherman is even more blunt, saying the proposed trade “is not going to happen.”
 

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4:57PM: Jon Heyman of MLB Network reports that talks may have stalled entirely after the two sides “hit a snag” in negotiations. Sherman is even more blunt, saying the proposed trade “is not going to happen.”
Good. I hope the cubs ship happ for him and eat his contract.
 

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And happ is meaningless to us if we can get a good prospect. In fact Hosmer is a significantly better player

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Happ put up a 1.3 fWAR.
Hosmer 0.

Last year Hosmer put up a -14.9 def and a -3.8 off.

102 wRC+

Happ: 103

So not really sure what you are basing that statement off of. Hosmer has won GG in the past. We need to look forward 4 years with him.

Pads would not be trying to off him if he was a golden boy.
 

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Here is what Schwindel did:

18.1 Off
-3.8 Def
2.2 fWAR.

IN 239 PA's.

Come on now. Frank is not the problem at all. Hosmer is not good anymore. You can argue downgrade to Frank
 

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Happ put up a 1.3 fWAR.
Hosmer 0.

Last year Hosmer put up a -14.9 def and a -3.8 off.

102 wRC+

Happ: 103

So not really sure what you are basing that statement off of. Hosmer has won GG in the past. We need to look forward 4 years with him.

Pads would not be trying to off him if he was a golden boy.
Hosmer has consistently been a decent bat whereas happ has been incredibly inconsistent and I have no faith he will be a good offensive player going forward. If I can get a good prospect for him by eating Hosmers contract, I'd do it in a heartbeat
 

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For all of the talk about Heyward finally getting short enough to DFA why would Jed take on a other lemon.

His last year on KC he got 4.0 fWAR.

with the Pads?

-.1
-.3
.9
0

This is Heyward 2.0
 

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Sorry Pads don't have a prospect that they are willing to toss away worth that.

Not to mention the Cubs are pretty stacked with 50+ rated prospects. One of the deepest systems.

They can shit can Heyward and add Davis.

Happ can be traded if needed mid season when his elbow is behind him.

Ya I get it Happ is hot or not. When hot he pushes a 150 wRC+.

The fact that he can do that holds value. Hosmer is garbage.
 

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Padres Acquire Sean Manaea
By Darragh McDonald | April 3, 2022 at 11:15am CDT

The Athletics have traded Sean Manaea to the Padres, according to Mark Feinsand of MLB.com. Earlier today, Andy Martino of SNY had tweeted that Oakland had resumed active conversations about Manaea. Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune reports that the Padres will be sending two prospect to Oakland in return. Per Feinsand, the full trade is Sean Manaea and Aaron Holiday for Eruibiel Angeles and Adrian Martinez.

A Manaea trade has seemed inevitable for quite some time now. It was reported prior to the lockout that the A’s were planning on moving just about any player with significant salary and dwindling team control. Once the lockout ended, they made good on those predictions, trading Chris Bassitt to the Mets, Matt Olson to the Braves and Matt Chapman to the Blue Jays. Since Manaea is heading into free agency at the end of this season and is making $9.75MM this year, he was the logical choice as the next guy packing up his bag. He will now head to San Diego, reuniting with manager Bob Melvin, who was another casualty of the Oakland penny-pinching, as the club allowed him to head to the Padres in a salary-dumping move.


The 30-year-old lefty made his MLB debut in 2016 and immediately established himself with a quality season. In 144 2/3 innings, he put up an ERA of 3.86, along with a 20.9% strikeout rate and 6.2% walk rate. He continued to pitch well over the 2017 and 2018 seasons before being stalled by shoulder surgery in September of 2018. That kept him out of action for around a year, as he returned late in 2019. In the shortened 2020 campaign, he seemed to be back to his old self, throwing 54 innings with an ERA of 4.50. In 2021, he logged another 179 1/3 innings with a 3.91 ERA, cranking his strikeout rate up to 25.7% in the process, a career high for a full season.

For the Padres, this furthers bolsters what was already a very strong rotation that includes Yu Darvish, Joe Musgrove, Blake Snell, Mike Clevinger, Nick Martinez and Chris Paddack, along with up-and-coming options like Reiss Knehr, Ryan Weathers or MacKenzie Gore. Just a few days ago, it was reported that the Padres were considering trading from that rotation depth in order to improve their outfield picture. The addition of Manaea seems to only increase the odds of such a deal coming together.

Their projected outfield currently consists of Trent Grisham in center and Wil Myers in right, with left field being manned by some combination of Jurickson Profar and Matt Beaty. There’s certainly room for improvement over that group, especially for a team hoping to compete with the Dodgers and Giants in the AL West, two teams who easily surpassed the 100-win plateau last year. Recent reports had indicated the club had spoken to the Pirates about a Bryan Reynolds trade, though the last word on that front was that the asking price for Reynolds was “prohibitive.”

The Padres were one of two teams to have paid the luxury tax in 2021, along with the Dodgers. That means they would be subject to escalating penalties if they were to pay the tax again this year. The new CBA bumped up the lowest tax line from $210MM to $230MM, which gave the Padres a bit of breathing space, as their luxury tax number has been between those two numbers for most of the offseason. Since the signing of that new CBA and the end of the lockout, they have been fairly quiet, apart from their acquisition of Luke Voit. With the acquisition of Manaea, their luxury tax number is now just over the line at $233MM, according to Jason Martinez of Roster Resource. Perhaps they are willing to pay the tax yet again, or further trade could allow them to limbo back under the line. Rumors have swirled for years about their attempts to move Eric Hosmer and the four years and $59MM remaining on his deal. Just a few days ago, they were apparently discussing such a deal with the Mets, though those talks have apparently stalled.

For the Athletics, their fire sale has reduced their 2021 payroll to around $50MM in actual dollars, per Roster Resource. They haven’t had a number that low since 2008, leaving aside the pandemic-shortened 2020 campaign. (Hat tip to Cot’s Baseball Contracts.) That number could potentially drop even lower if the club lines up a deal on Frankie Montas or Ramon Laureano, though they could also add in a veteran on a modest short-term deal, like those they gave to Stephen Vogt and Jed Lowrie.

The rotation in Oakland won’t just be lacking Bassitt and Manaea, as James Kaprielian and Brent Honeywell Jr. are likely to begin the season on the IL. Montas will be at the front of the group if he’s still around, with Cole Irvin, Daulton Jefferies, Paul Blackburn, Adam Oller and Zach Logue among the options to take the spots behind him.

One of today’s acquisitions, Adrian Martinez, is an option to serve as rotation depth immediately, as he is on the 40-man roster and made it up to the highest levels of the minors last year. In 80 2/3 Double-A innings, he put up a 2.34 ERA along with a 25.4% strikeout rate and 7.3% walk rate. He struggled a bit in his first taste of Triple-A, throwing 44 1/3 innings with his ERA jumping up to 5.28, along with a deflated strikeout rate of 19.9% and 8.7% walk rate. He’s just 25 years old and has options, meaning he’s likely ticketed for further time in Triple-A.

The other piece of their return will be more of a long-term play, as Angeles is just 19 years old. Last year, he split his time between A-ball and High-A, while lining up at second base, third base and shortstop. In 105 games, his combined slash line was .329/.392/.445, for a wRC+ of 125, along with 19 stolen bases. Although the A’s will need to be patient given his age, he might be the real “get” for Oakland, as he was San Diego’s #12 prospect at MLB Pipeline before the deal, with Martinez coming in at #26.

Alongside Manaea, the Padres are also adding some bullpen depth with the acquisition of Holiday. The 21-year-old was just selected by the A’s last year, in the 13th round of the 2021 draft. He only has 5 2/3 innings of professional experience under his belt at this point, all of that coming in the Complex League last year. Despite that limited resume, R.J. Anderson of CBS Sports relays that he was hitting over 100mph on the radar gun this offseason.

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Manaea 3.3 fWAR F/A next year
Musgrove: 3.3 fWAR F/A next year
Darvish 2.9 fWAR F/A 2024
Snell 2.1 fWAR F/A 2024
Clevenger (DL for year) F/A next year
Paddack 1.8 fWAR
Weathers -.1 fWAR
M. Gore AAA (6 games only)

So 3/5 of the rotation is going F/A in 2023. So I believe Gore is off the table. He should be in AAA.
Paddack was the guy they were dangling. I really don't see him being better than Thompson.

To be honest here. Jed would be better off targeting one of the 3 in the open market in 2023. He should have Kilian and Marquez MLB ready. Wicks is a potential fast track arm. Then Stroman, Hendricks, Thompson, Steel and Azolay.

Jed really could just do nothing here. He has two stable vets and let the kids fight for it.

Pads would have to blow Jed out of the water.
 

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Manaea 3.3 fWAR F/A next year
Musgrove: 3.3 fWAR F/A next year
Darvish 2.9 fWAR F/A 2024
Snell 2.1 fWAR F/A 2024
Clevenger (DL for year) F/A next year
Paddack 1.8 fWAR
Weathers -.1 fWAR
M. Gore AAA (6 games only)

So 3/5 of the rotation is going F/A in 2023. So I believe Gore is off the table. He should be in AAA.
Paddack was the guy they were dangling. I really don't see him being better than Thompson.

To be honest here. Jed would be better off targeting one of the 3 in the open market in 2023. He should have Kilian and Marquez MLB ready. Wicks is a potential fast track arm. Then Stroman, Hendricks, Thompson, Steel and Azolay.

Jed really could just do nothing here. He has two stable vets and let the kids fight for it.

Pads would have to blow Jed out of the water.
Paddack is a better starter than Thompson because Thompson is a middle reliever. Alzolay also has consistently shown he isn't a starter. Steele gets another year before he falls into the same category
 

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Paddack is a better starter than Thompson because Thompson is a middle reliever. Alzolay also has consistently shown he isn't a starter. Steele gets another year before he falls into the same category

It is a bit early to call him a MR. 16 IP as a starter and 37 as a relief pitcher is a small sample to justify a broad statement.

Paddack's main problem is his fastball command. He has a strong change up which has kept him around. He throws strikes and has a strong BB/9.

He is in Arb1 with 2 more years of control.

If it was not about getting rid of Hosmer Happ for him 1:1 would be a fair trade.

Tossing Hosmer and them not wanting to eat deal really muddies up dealing with them.
 

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