How the Masahiro Tanaka Non-Posting Could Affect the Cubs

[CSF77]

I believe we need to get past the whole if they will pan out or not. What matters is Baez will be in Iowa next year and his production will dictate the future.

This goes for any prospect. The line up is current rent a players.

Main point to the thread:

If he gets posted any team is going to have to expect 20 mil posting fee and a 80 mil floor.

 

[chibears55]

If he gets posted any team is going to have to expect 20 mil posting fee and a 80 mil floor.

I think the yrs will be between 4-6, depending on if he wants to become a FA again by age 30..
the money will depend on who seriously trying to sign him.. if multiple teams are going all out for him , then it could get to the 20 mil per range.. if its just 2-3 teams its possible it could stay closer to 16-18 Mil per. depending on the amount of years..

 

[jooo83]

In reality, Jackson isn't making a lot of money and is making the right amount of money. He's making the same amount as injury-prone players. 11 million a year isn't bad.

Hilarious

 

[patg006]

I truly believe that even if he is posted. The cubs won't win the bidding war. I see nothing that says they are willing to shell out a serious contract. You are looking at tying up a lot of money in Jackson and tanaka and neither one of them are aces.

Exactly.

It'll be like going to a high end restaurant, hearing the sirloin is 60 bucks, and settling for the side salad at $4.50.

Cubs aren't getting this guy. Even if he is posted.

What will kill me will be if this kid flops big time, or becomes an injury bug causalty; hearing dumb shit like 'Theo knew all along that he wouldn't be good, so he didn't sign him' from the slurpers.

CFS Said it. Hard to imagine this team getting to 55 wins with the shitty line up and average pitching staff that greatly overachieved last season. If Shark remains the same and Wood falls down, this team challenges the 03 Tigers for 119 losses.

Regardless, the entire front office should be fired if this team loses 100.

 

[CSF77]

Golden Eagles To Post Masahiro Tanaka
By Zach Links [December 24 at 9:50pm CST]
9:50pm: Rakuten Golden Eagles president Yozo Tachibana announced that Tanaka will be posted, according to a tweet from Sankei Sports tranlsated by Dylan Hernandez of the Los Angeles Times (Twitter links).

9:23pm: The Golden Eagles will announce momentarily that Tanaka will be posted, according to Jim Allen of Kyodo News (on Twitter).

5:35pm: The Rakuten Golden Eagles have decided to post star pitcher Masahiro Tanaka, according to reports from Japanese outlets Sponichi (link) and Nikkan Sports (link). It's a turnaround from reports last week that indicated the Golden Eagles were leaning against allowing Tanaka to make the jump to MLB.

One MLB source tells David Kaplan of CSNChicago.com (on Twitter) that he believes the Cubs will not be outbid for Tanaka's services. Convincing Tanaka to come to Chicago, however, could prove to be problematic, according to that source. "This is exactly type deal that Theo [Epstein and] Jed Hoyer will be all in on. However, will Tanaka say no to the [Yankees, Dodgers, and others]? Not sure he will," the source told Kaplan (link).

Bruce Levine of 670thescore.com (Twitter link) adds that the Angels and Diamondbacks - who have been quite vocal about their fondness of Tanaka and overall need for a frontline starter - should also be in the mix for his services. Tanaka being posted also means good news for other free agent pitchers who have been in a holding pattern as clubs have waited for the top domino to drop.

Rakuten was planning a record NPB offer for Tanaka - roughly $7.7MM USD - but that's significantly less than what he's expected to get from an MLB club. One GM recently told Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com that Tanaka was certain to receive a deal worth more than $100MM if posted.

Per the Sponichi report, team President Yozo Tachibana acknowledged that the process is moving into its final stage. When asked if the team was set on a decision, Tachibana said, "Yes, it looks that way ... We're completing the final procedures."

It seems likely that the Golden Eagles have been dragging their feet in large part because of the reduced posting fee that they would receive under the new system. While the Japanese clubs holding the rights to predecessors such as Daisuke Matsuzaka and Yu Darvish saw major financial windfalls, the new system caps Rakuten's maximum posting fee at $20MM.

Special thanks to Aaron Steen for his Japanese translation.

 

[beckdawg]

How about the Cubs signing Tanaka if posted, and then looking at a potential core of players to pick from in Baez, Tanaka, Wood, Castillo, Shark, Bryant, Rizzo, Castro, Hendricks, Johnson, Almora, Soler, Edwards, Blackburn, Black, Viscaino, Alcantara, Villanueva, and Vogelbach as examples to choose from and/or trade for top tier talent.

I'll take it without looking back. opcorn:

I'm cool with that too. All I'm saying is because of the cheap young talent you can take a chance on someone like Tanaka even if he's more of a 2.

 

[beckdawg]

Exactly.

It'll be like going to a high end restaurant, hearing the sirloin is 60 bucks, and settling for the side salad at $4.50.

Cubs aren't getting this guy. Even if he is posted.

What will kill me will be if this kid flops big time, or becomes an injury bug causalty; hearing dumb shit like 'Theo knew all along that he wouldn't be good, so he didn't sign him' from the slurpers.

CFS Said it. Hard to imagine this team getting to 55 wins with the shitty line up and average pitching staff that greatly overachieved last season. If Shark remains the same and Wood falls down, this team challenges the 03 Tigers for 119 losses.

Regardless, the entire front office should be fired if this team loses 100.

Just to clarify... are you for or against going after him? Obviously you don't think they will but in a hypothetical world where you call the shots you still sign him yeah?

 

[patg006]

Just to clarify... are you for or against going after him? Obviously you don't think they will but in a hypothetical world where you call the shots you still sign him yeah?

I want him, yes. I want any impact player that can improve this team. Which isn't hard to do. I'll settle for a .250 hitting high schooler (hell even .200) at this point because this team is pathetic on offense. This team can't score runs. Period. And this anything-but-insatiable front office has made it clear that less than mediocre players who cant hit their weights are good for the job and are allowed to play 2B.

I don't believe this front office is serious about getting Tanaka. I believe they want to make it look serious. Post, offer something barely lukewarm, then spin a story to cubs fans that they tried their hardest, then get the post money back.

 

[waldo7239117]

Hilarious

You can think whatever you want.

 

[SilenceS]

I hope the Cubs sign him and if they do I will be ecstatic for the cubs. It would go a long way in showing the fans that you have some balls to go for it. He is perfect age to make a big investment. Let's hope ricketts allows theo to do his job

 

[CSF77]

I want him, yes. I want any impact player that can improve this team. Which isn't hard to do. I'll settle for a .250 hitting high schooler (hell even .200) at this point because this team is pathetic on offense. This team can't score runs. Period. And this anything-but-insatiable front office has made it clear that less than mediocre players who cant hit their weights are good for the job and are allowed to play 2B.

I don't believe this front office is serious about getting Tanaka. I believe they want to make it look serious. Post, offer something barely lukewarm, then spin a story to cubs fans that they tried their hardest, then get the post money back.

I believe they will go up to 20 mil per. On the year amount he is what 25 or 26? A typical 6-7 year deal puts him at 31-33. Still able to get a 2nd contract.

To be point blank here. 2014 is year 0 for this team. Bryant and Baez should be starting up. That puts the Cubs at 7 years of control of them starting this year. So with that in mind I'm looking at having my core together for at least that time.

I would look at 7 years at a avg of 20 mil. 140 mil deal. That would out bid any suiter. Not many teams would gamble this amount. Cubs have small future line up commitments and the 4th largest market.

Making this deal should be done. It makes them players again in the market. It signels to the base that they are building something vs blowing steam and are willing to invest into it vs play the cost cut game. It should cause a spike in season ticket sales and generate a national intrest into the Cubs again.

There is little bad about doing this.

 

[Boobaby1]

I believe they will go up to 20 mil per. On the year amount he is what 25 or 26? A typical 6-7 year deal puts him at 31-33. Still able to get a 2nd contract.

To be point blank here. 2014 is year 0 for this team. Bryant and Baez should be starting up. That puts the Cubs at 7 years of control of them starting this year. So with that in mind I'm looking at having my core together for at least that time.

I would look at 7 years at a avg of 20 mil. 140 mil deal. That would out bid any suiter. Not many teams would gamble this amount. Cubs have small future line up commitments and the 4th largest market.

Making this deal should be done. It makes them players again in the market. It signels to the base that they are building something vs blowing steam and are willing to invest into it vs play the cost cut game. It should cause a spike in season ticket sales and generate a national intrest into the Cubs again.

There is little bad about doing this.

And the best thing is it doesn't cost ANY of the farm or a draft pick, just money, which they have boatloads of. opcorn:

 

[CSF77]

And the best thing is it doesn't cost ANY of the farm or a draft pick, just money, which they have boatloads of. opcorn:

Well I'm not saying tax thresh hold cash but 100-120 mil should not break the bank.

 

[Boobaby1]

Well I'm not saying tax thresh hold cash but 100-120 mil should not break the bank.

I think it will be in the 6 yrs, 153 million dollar range that could get the job done. It is up to the scouting department and the FO as to whether or not they feel he is worth that. Basically 22 million per year or 25.5 including the posting fee.

 

[CSF77]

I think it will be in the 6 yrs, 153 million dollar range that could get the job done. It is up to the scouting department and the FO as to whether or not they feel he is worth that. Basically 22 million per year or 25.5 including the posting fee.

I was thinking along the lines of 20 mil on avg for 7 years. 160 mil including the posting fee.

Looking at current ace level starters:

Justin Verlander, $180,000,000 (2013-19)
13:$20M, 14:$20M, 15:$28M, 16:$28M, 17:$28M, 18:$28M, 19:$28M, 20:$22M vesting option

Felix Hernandez, $175,000,000 (2013-19)
13:$19M, 14:$22M, 15:$24M, 16:$25M, 17:$26M, 18:$26M, 19:$27M, 20:$1M conditional club option

CC Sabathia, $161,000,000 (2009-15)
12-15:$23M annually, 16:$25M, 17:$25M vesting option ($5M buyout)

Zack Greinke, $147,000,000 (2013-18)
13:$17M, 14:$24M, 15:$23M, 16:$24M, 17:$23M, 18:$24M

Cole Hamels, $144,000,000 (2013-18)
13:$19.5M, 14:$22.5M, 15:$22.5M, 16:$22.5M, 17:$22.5M, 18:$22.5M, 19:$20M club option ($6M buyout)


I'll bet Cliff Lee's deal is along the line what teams want to pay:
11:$11M, 12:$21.5M, 13:$25M, 14:$25M, 15:$25M, 16:$27.5M club option ($12.5M buyout)


But the best deal to match: Matt Cain 6 year 127.5 mil
12:$15M, 13-17:$20M annually, 18:$21M club option ($7.5M buyout)

That is what I believe is fair market value.

 

[HurricaneDij39]

Exactly.

It'll be like going to a high end restaurant, hearing the sirloin is 60 bucks, and settling for the side salad at $4.50.

Cubs aren't getting this guy. Even if he is posted.

What will kill me will be if this kid flops big time, or becomes an injury bug causalty; hearing dumb shit like 'Theo knew all along that he wouldn't be good, so he didn't sign him' from the slurpers.

CFS Said it. Hard to imagine this team getting to 55 wins with the shitty line up and average pitching staff that greatly overachieved last season. If Shark remains the same and Wood falls down, this team challenges the 03 Tigers for 119 losses.

Regardless, the entire front office should be fired if this team loses 100.

X-Factor,

Could you please remove this temperamental asshole from our CCS community? He's clearly rooting against his own team for his own personal validation purposes.

Thank you.

 

[patg006]

X-Factor,

Could you please remove this temperamental asshole from our CCS community? He's clearly rooting against his own team for his own personal validation purposes.

Thank you.

^:umad: