How would you realistically fix the Hawks?

[winos5]

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[Tater]

All hale DT!!!

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Where ya been wino?!?!?

 

[anotheridiot]

I don't think they're a Cup contender right now, either. They need several players to take a big leap forward to make that happen.

This is where I always get stuck. You cannot have several players taking big leaps when they get their minutes and position changed by signing betterans. Kunitz is an older guy that will still get you 30 points, but who is not in the top 6 because he is here? The guys that were noticeable were off and on Schmaltz, always Debrincat and at the start of the season Haydon. Vinnie Hinnie was consistent but needs to put points on his sheet. He has so much speed to be a nuisance forechecker and contribute without points, but he needs to continue to grow. Will Ejdesll get more than 6 games this year or be back and forth.

Kane cant be a -20 and Keith can definitely not be a -29, but will cat even get to the 18-20 minute plateau this year and will he fall off because of it?

 

[LordKOTL]

This is where I always get stuck. You cannot have several players taking big leaps when they get their minutes and position changed by signing betterans. Kunitz is an older guy that will still get you 30 points, but who is not in the top 6 because he is here? The guys that were noticeable were off and on Schmaltz, always Debrincat and at the start of the season Haydon. Vinnie Hinnie was consistent but needs to put points on his sheet. He has so much speed to be a nuisance forechecker and contribute without points, but he needs to continue to grow. Will Ejdesll get more than 6 games this year or be back and forth.

Kane cant be a -20 and Keith can definitely not be a -29, but will cat even get to the 18-20 minute plateau this year and will he fall off because of it?

Exactly!

I think it's more than that though. You look at a player like, say, Toews, and one of the things some fans blither on about is the fact that he's been so down because of the guys he's played with. Well...he's been down for 3 straight years. Not Arkhipov-level of liability, but down and that's something you can't have from a 10.5M captain. At what point does the brass look at him and say, "We're spending assets for the guys performing. You want quality? Up your game."

I think a major issue is that Q was constantly leaning on core guys who simply didn't have it. At the minimum by the time Crawford went down, and at the maximum when Kempny was traded Q should have stopped leaning on him. He didn't have much of anything last year. Yet, Q still did.

I'm not going to say it prevented the team from winning, but I seriously doubt Rutta, Gus, Murph, etc. could have done much worse in that regard and by that time there was no reason left to win out. Forsberg, Berube, Glass, & Delia were all being shelled night/in-night/out, and You don't have much O help outside of Kane (who was brutal in the backened--almost as bad as Keith) & El Gato. How could it have possibly hurt to give some of the youngins a bit more time rather than fall back on the aging core who was doing all of jack and shit? Ditto at FWD. No reason El Gato couldn't have taken some minutes from Saad.

I lay that at the feet of Q.

 

[RacerX]

Exactly!

I think it's more than that though. You look at a player like, say, Toews, and one of the things some fans blither on about is the fact that he's been so down because of the guys he's played with. Well...he's been down for 3 straight years. Not Arkhipov-level of liability, but down and that's something you can't have from a 10.5M captain. At what point does the brass look at him and say, "We're spending assets for the guys performing. You want quality? Up your game."

I think a major issue is that Q was constantly leaning on core guys who simply didn't have it. At the minimum by the time Crawford went down, and at the maximum when Kempny was traded Q should have stopped leaning on him. He didn't have much of anything last year. Yet, Q still did.

I'm not going to say it prevented the team from winning, but I seriously doubt Rutta, Gus, Murph, etc. could have done much worse in that regard and by that time there was no reason left to win out. Forsberg, Berube, Glass, & Delia were all being shelled night/in-night/out, and You don't have much O help outside of Kane (who was brutal in the backened--almost as bad as Keith) & El Gato. How could it have possibly hurt to give some of the youngins a bit more time rather than fall back on the aging core who was doing all of jack and shit? Ditto at FWD. No reason El Gato couldn't have taken some minutes from Saad.

I lay that at the feet of Q.

Agreed, Q owns some blame. But the greater truth is that it's the roster makeup and contracts that are gong prevent this team from seriously competing for at least another 3 seasons IMO.

Stan can and should be blamed, but regardless of whom is blamed we are screwed short and mid-term, and the Cup(s) runs were all absolutely worth it we can agree.

Now it's our turn to be the Wangs of recent past.

 

[anotheridiot]

I am still one to blame the concussions on Toews downfall, just cannot keep the pace he was putting himself on while constantly getting chucked in the back of the head in front of the net. People almost forgot how much punishment he took there, and its hard to blame them since he rarely goes there anymore. Its the NBA point guard who has no fear going to the rim, how many of them have had a long career? Steve Francis, Derrick Rose, its an impossible pace to keep up. Same with getting your bell rung, but not being able to see clearly or having dizzy spells. I am still convinced its why we did not see Crow all of the end of last year, I dont know if 10 months is a proper period to recover or not. I sure hope we never find out he was in substance abuse and the organization did not learn anything from Toews.

 

[LordKOTL]

Agreed, Q owns some blame. But the greater truth is that it's the roster makeup and contracts that are gong prevent this team from seriously competing for at least another 3 seasons IMO.

Stan can and should be blamed, but regardless of whom is blamed we are screwed short and mid-term, and the Cup(s) runs were all absolutely worth it we can agree.

Now it's our turn to be the Wangs of recent past.

Hopefully not nearly as long as "The Dead-wings" era....or out 49 year drought.

Although 3 is optimistic IMHO...I'm thinking 5. That will be the expiry of Toews/Kane/Keith's deals.

Even so I can stomach a couple of bad years for 8 great ones--3 of which blagged us a cup.

Honestly though...both Stan and Q should be gone sooner rather than later. They have had their epic wins and epic fails, but right now the team needs a different direction.

 

[MassHavoc]

The real problem for fans, which the organization doesn't care about, is that they can go through a full rebuild now which could take at least 3 years to get back to the dominance and the fans will have to sit through shitty hockey without them lowering the ticket prices. I want my $10 tickets back.

 

[RacerX]

Honestly though...both Stan and Q should be gone sooner rather than later. They have had their epic wins and epic fails, but right now the team needs a different direction.

The draft "strategy" is/was disturbing, they just cannot see or refuse to see (ore refuse to address) the size imbalance on the roster.

 

[puckthefackers]

The draft "strategy" is/was disturbing, they just cannot see or refuse to see (ore refuse to address) the size imbalance on the roster.

Q and Bowman allergic to players over 6’ and 200lbs. Maddening how small this team is

 

[anotheridiot]

Fix the PK, check.
Fix the D, in process
Backup Goalie, well, I cant say we are worse off with Ward
Leadership in locker room other than underperformers in seabrook and keith, check.
Get more physical (did he really try to do this? Manning, Ejdesll, Haydon????

Like he said, it depends how Stan pisses away this cap space.

 

[bamainatlanta]

Trade Toews, Trade Seabrook, Trade Duncan, Trade Crawford for whatever I could get. Pretty much start over. Build around Kane, Saad. Sign free agents. Resign myself to the fact that the Hawks will suck for a couple of years. One last run with the Kaner

 

[RacerX]

Trade Toews, Trade Seabrook, Trade Duncan, Trade Crawford for whatever I could get. Pretty much start over. Build around Kane, Saad. Sign free agents. Resign myself to the fact that the Hawks will suck for a couple of years. One last run with the Kaner

Trade them for what - other negative value contracts? We have minimal assets, embrace the suck until 2022.

 

[Ares]

Trade them for what - other negative value contracts? We have minimal assets, embrace the suck until 2022.

I bet we could trade Toews for a vegan salad

 

[Bigfoot]

I bet we could trade Toews for a vegan salad

Could we get traffic cones for Seabs

 

[Ares]

Could we get traffic cones for Seabs

Cone... one... idk about multiple.

 

[Bigfoot]

Cone... one... idk about multiple.

You watching Bellator? This dude is getting wrecked

 

[MassHavoc]

q and bowman allergic to players over 6’ and 200lbs or previously won a cup with the team. Maddening how small this team is

fify

 

[MassHavoc]

I'm not quite ready to relegate Seabs to Aucoin duty yet...

 

[LordKOTL]

I'm not quite ready to relegate Seabs to Aucoin duty yet...

Let's hope Keith reverts from Matthew Keith.

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