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How do they work exactly? I'm pretty sure they run on gas and have a battery pack right? Do I have to charge the battery pack? I'm looking at getting one within the next year or so since my Monte just isn't all that great on gas (about 25-27 mpg hwy), and driving 45 miles each way for work is really putting a dent in my wallet.
 

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A few different ways. How exactly, most commonly two motors share the same drive axle. One gas, one electric to make up the vehicles engine.

The batteries are charged from the gas motor and other regeneration features that may be present. You can also do plug-in hybrids, to use more of the electric motor from the start of the vehicles use. Once the battery is low, the car's computer kicks on the gasoline motor, or kicks on the gasoline motor if you need/want more power.

Driving habits will give you the biggest advantage, as it has been proven repeatedly that simply driving a hybrid with bad habits will not improve gas mileage over an efficient gas(only) powered vehicle that is driven with good habits. /says the guy who gets 42mpg hwy avg on a 2800lb 150hp car from 2007 and has seen improvements with certain older cars as well. You have two kinds of people who look at EPA MPG estimates, those who don't know how to match them, and those who can exceed them every time(and still get the lead out on occasion).
But a Monte Carlo, yeah. not going to improve much TBH.
 

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What Crys said is a good explanation. You could also get a diesel car.

I went from a smaller, gas equipped Mercedes 190E to a larger, turbocharged diesel equipped Mercedes 300D and get 5mpg better with an engine that isn't running optimally...yet. That's my next weekend project.

There are a lot of diesel vehicles that get incredible fuel economy. The diesel Jetta or Golf from Volkswagen come readily to mind but there are many more. Or there are, wait for it...diesel hybrids on the market now that get incredible fuel economy as well. I've only done a small amount of research on it but there is a Volvo diesel hybrid that Volvo claims 100mpg.

I'm a big fan of diesels. They are much more efficient, cheaper to own(over a long period of time), and will last longer if taken care of properly. Just some food for thought
 

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I've pretty much decided on the Jetta hybrid, I just wasn't sure if I had to plug it in or not to charge. Thanks Crys, perfectly answered my question. The Monte's been good to me and still runs great (knock on wood), but I really am at it's max mpg LOL. I've had the car for almost 10 years now and I'm only at 80,000 miles. I plan on waiting until people start buying new model cars so I can get a used one. Same thing I did with my Monte.
 

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What Crys said is a good explanation. You could also get a diesel car.

I went from a smaller, gas equipped Mercedes 190E to a larger, turbocharged diesel equipped Mercedes 300D and get 5mpg better with an engine that isn't running optimally...yet. That's my next weekend project.

There are a lot of diesel vehicles that get incredible fuel economy. The diesel Jetta or Golf from Volkswagen come readily to mind but there are many more. Or there are, wait for it...diesel hybrids on the market now that get incredible fuel economy as well. I've only done a small amount of research on it but there is a Volvo diesel hybrid that Volvo claims 100mpg.

I'm a big fan of diesels. They are much more efficient, cheaper to own(over a long period of time), and will last longer if taken care of properly. Just some food for thought
How hard is it to find gas stations that have diesel fuel, though? I don't see a lot of them in my area.
 

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Buying used is the best thing. Try not to get the very first model year of a specific chassis, those always have the most problems. If that isn't an option at least get a car with an impeccable service history. The better the service/repair history you have the less you need to worry about the mileage on the vehicle also
 

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How hard is it to find gas stations that have diesel fuel, though? I don't see a lot of them in my area.

I have two shell stations within 5 minutes of me that sell a relatively high volume of diesel fuel. My case could be rare though, I'm not exactly sure
 

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How do they work exactly? I'm pretty sure they run on gas and have a battery pack right? Do I have to charge the battery pack? I'm looking at getting one within the next year or so since my Monte just isn't all that great on gas (about 25-27 mpg hwy), and driving 45 miles each way for work is really putting a dent in my wallet.

We've got 3 different commuter cars for work, 1 of which is a Prius plug-in hybrid, 1 is a regular Prius hybrid, and 1 is a natural gas vehicle. I can't tell you the intricacies of how the plug-in hybrid works b/c I'm ignorant to it (Crystallas gave a great explanation though), but all I can say is that we never actually use the plug-in feature because the range on it sucks. I believe the maximum range on a fully charged battery is 11 miles if you choose to use electric only. Regardless of that, the hybrid still gets great gas mileage with the gasoline/electric combo. It has a 10 gallon tank, and we can get 350-400 miles on a full tank.

P.S. One downside of the Prius is that friends will comment, "So you're driving the f.ag mobile today, huh?"
 

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Those Jettas are not cheap to maintain. I was looking into them myself, but I know too many people who dump the money they save at the pump, right back into the car.
 

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A few different ways. How exactly, most commonly two motors share the same drive axle. One gas, one electric to make up the vehicles engine.

The batteries are charged from the gas motor and other regeneration features that may be present. You can also do plug-in hybrids, to use more of the electric motor from the start of the vehicles use. Once the battery is low, the car's computer kicks on the gasoline motor, or kicks on the gasoline motor if you need/want more power.

Driving habits will give you the biggest advantage, as it has been proven repeatedly that simply driving a hybrid with bad habits will not improve gas mileage over an efficient gas(only) powered vehicle that is driven with good habits. /says the guy who gets 42mpg hwy avg on a 2800lb 150hp car from 2007 and has seen improvements with certain older cars as well. You have two kinds of people who look at EPA MPG estimates, those who don't know how to match them, and those who can exceed them every time(and still get the lead out on occasion).
But a Monte Carlo, yeah. not going to improve much TBH.

Weird. I was always under the impression that they were fueled by homosexual thoughts. Or at least I thought that until I saw the Porsche 918.
 

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Those Jettas are not cheap to maintain. I was looking into them myself, but I know too many people who dump the money they save at the pump, right back into the car.

Really? I know it's a foreign car and whatnot, but this disappoints me. I just started doing research, and it's not happening right this minute, so I'll keep looking for reviews and weigh my options.
 

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Last I looked Diesel was more expensive than gas..Maybe they get better mileage to make up for the added cost, but I looked at a Ford truck with a Diesel...The engine was an 8K upgrade. You can buy a lot of gas with 8K
 

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Last I looked Diesel was more expensive than gas..Maybe they get better mileage to make up for the added cost, but I looked at a Ford truck with a Diesel...The engine was an 8K upgrade. You can buy a lot of gas with 8K

It's normally pretty close, but diesel doesn't seem to fluctuate as often or wildly as standard gasoline.
 

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Buying used is the best thing. Try not to get the very first model year of a specific chassis, those always have the most problems. If that isn't an option at least get a car with an impeccable service history. The better the service/repair history you have the less you need to worry about the mileage on the vehicle also

I'm usually very good at PM. On my Monte, I've only had one major problem and it was my fault (mostly my dads). Blew out the radiator because it froze. I tried telling him we needed more antifreeze and he said it'd be fine. Winter came and the damn think practically exploded. Should of just added it myself. He's lost a step as he's gotten older, but I digress. Even then, it wasn't that expensive as him and I did the work ourselves. Believe it or not, it was easier to change the radiator than the fucking thermostat.
 

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Point of hybrids that is overlooked is that they have close to zero emissions. When they first came out, the dmv emissions tests couldn't pick anything up at all.
 

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Not overlooked by me. One of the reasons I'm looking to get one. The other is the obvious immediate benefit to my pocket.
 

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Car battery emissions aren't on the EPA radar yet. I'm not making the case for combustion as better, just saying that auto companies have come a long way since the advancement of the ECU(the engine management system that is now possible and realistic on a mass-market scale thanks to better computing technology to both manage and optimize vehicles). So either way, you're footprint should be a big improvement with a new vehicle, opposed to what you own now. Heck, the last 5 years have been excellent IMO as far as optimizations. Better than the 5 years prior. Coil on plug improvements, drive by wire improvements, recapturing of platinum from various components into a good(and improving) market based system of recycling the materials back into parts. These are improvements on weaknesses the auto-industry had a decade ago, that we are reaping the benefits of today.

Also the sheer fact that the after-market for retromodding is maturing after many years of it being a niche market that was considered a negative by purists and collectors. So the other alternative could also be to improve your miles on that Monte Carlo with something new, if you are truly attached to the car. Something that wasn't anywhere as easy to do in a consumer market full of snake oil in the past(tornado intake BS, magnets on fuel lines, crappy airfilters that claimed to boost power and fuel economy, but only allowed more particles into the engine, BS oil claims, etc). IDK what year and engine your Mote Carlo is, but if you're crazy and love that car to death(like some people and their cars) it's another upgrade to ponder over. Although I would think moving to a decent econobox of your liking would still be hard to beat, since you wont need to put the labor in and you can save on insurance too.
 

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