I will flip if we do the Barnyani trade

[thechosenone]

The type of maneuvering done in the cap era to make a contending team is beyond the realm of comprehension of some of these people. They think the NBA works the way their Xbox works...sad but true. So its all about "they're cheap" or "they don't know NBA players". However, any league GM will tell you the golden rule of good business in the NBA. When you are not contending...you get under the cap as soon as possible. You lose flexibility in the future when you stay over the cap for so many years, something you pointed out. It is what it is...

BUT some general managers are never contending. Others on the other hand... every year. And when you are a big market team, you are lucky to have a player who is pretty much a marketing miracle, and you are the most grossing team, you pay some extra money to EARN some more money... If the Bulls earn the most in the league with Rose, Deng and Noah, I bet they would earn much more if it they had one more big time player.

Except from that. Flexibility is to have Kobe, Gasol, Bynum and Artest in your team. Whenever you can you bring a Howard. Flexibility is to have Kobe, Gasol, Artest, Nash and Howard in your team. Whenever you can, you bring a Chris Paul. Whenever you can, you bring a Durant. Whenever you can you bring a LeBron.

Who the Bulls can get? Bargnani? Is this the best they can? Of course not.

So yes. The Bulls owner is one of the cheapest. Look at all the big market teams and you will understand it easily. I know. For you the Bulls have no chance to win a ring until Lebron retires. So with your logic the Bulls must wait until 2020 to make a big move. But reality is that even the Heat get the best possible players they can to support LeBron. They got Ray Allen, they got a Center. Now, they are ready to take a very cheap risk with Greg Oden. Just imagine them with him being healthy.

 

[Anno Catuli]

Release you do, but amenisty you don't. But the Bulls would have to do that in the off-season.

If you amnesty a guy you still have to pay him everything he is owed. Just doesn't count towards the cap.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

If you amnesty a guy you still have to pay him everything he is owed. Just doesn't count towards the cap.

And the cap seems to be the most important agenda on Jerry, Gar and Paxs mind..........So amnosty him then.........**** it

 

[FrenchieBully]

Don't forget he repeater luxury tax. Bulls don't want to be in that kind of situation and lose the MLE too. Also, Bargs can play the C position. So instead of Taj, Boozer, Noah, backup center (more money for a scrub) we could roll with Bargs, Taj, Noah for less and use the extra money or MLE on another position.

Amount over tax threshold Standard tax Repeat offender tax
$5 million or less $1.50 $2.50
$5 million to $10 million $1.75 $2.75
$10 million to $15 million $2.50 $3.50
$15 million to $20 million $3.25 $4.25

 

[RoseMVP1]

once someone gets amnestied, the team that picks the player up on waivers picks up a portion of the salary, so the Bulls wouldn't fully pay it unless no one claims him. i know boozer isn't the best but I'm sure some team would claim him.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

Don't forget he repeater luxury tax. Bulls don't want to be in that kind of situation and lose the MLE too. Also, Bargs can play the C position. So instead of Taj, Boozer, Noah, backup center (more money for a scrub) we could roll with Bargs, Taj, Noah for less and use the extra money or MLE on another position.

Amount over tax threshold Standard tax Repeat offender tax
$5 million or less $1.50 $2.50
$5 million to $10 million $1.75 $2.75
$10 million to $15 million $2.50 $3.50
$15 million to $20 million $3.25 $4.25

 

[Deng Defense Force]

And Mirotic is on his way.

And?

Ohhh, break out the champagne everyone. Microchip is on his way. :crazydance:




And what if he does get here an plays great? As soon as he's a free agent some team will just offer him a back loaded contract that the Bulls won't match and we'll start seeing "Mirotic a HUGE mistake" threads.

 

[houheffna]

So why dismiss the point about the repeater tax? So you know...it was set up purposely by the league to discourage teams from going over the cap. In reality, that shouldn't be ignored.

 

[houheffna]

BUT some general managers are never contending. Others on the other hand... every year. And when you are a big market team, you are lucky to have a player who is pretty much a marketing miracle, and you are the most grossing team, you pay some extra money to EARN some more money... If the Bulls earn the most in the league with Rose, Deng and Noah, I bet they would earn much more if it they had one more big time player.

Except from that. Flexibility is to have Kobe, Gasol, Bynum and Artest in your team. Whenever you can you bring a Howard. Flexibility is to have Kobe, Gasol, Artest, Nash and Howard in your team. Whenever you can, you bring a Chris Paul. Whenever you can, you bring a Durant. Whenever you can you bring a LeBron.

Who the Bulls can get? Bargnani? Is this the best they can? Of course not.

So yes. The Bulls owner is one of the cheapest. Look at all the big market teams and you will understand it easily. I know. For you the Bulls have no chance to win a ring until Lebron retires. So with your logic the Bulls must wait until 2020 to make a big move. But reality is that even the Heat get the best possible players they can to support LeBron. They got Ray Allen, they got a Center. Now, they are ready to take a very cheap risk with Greg Oden. Just imagine them with him being healthy.

Dude, you write as if you are out in space...no helmet, space shuttle...nothing. Just out there.

I have been saying for years that the Bulls need another star player! Going back to when I first appeared on these forums 4 years ago to tell people that Ben Gordon was NOT a star! I have been advocating for the acquisition of Melo, Howard, Lebron...all of them, and was lambasted for it because people like Glide2keva can't imagine his basketball world without Joakhim Noah! Damn shame.

Your assessment of the Heat...is totally off. Lebron WENT WHERE THE STARS WERE ALREADY! That setup was done by Wade and Lebron...all Riley did was get rid of cap space. Let's not act as if the Heat are some great organization comparable to the Bulls. Lebron's decision is the reason why they are where they are now. Period. By the way, I think Reinsdorf's organization did a damn good job of building around a star player...he has 6 rings to prove it! And LOL at you bringing up Ray Allen and Greg Oden as examples. If the Bulls had gone after Oden, they would have been criticized to the max on this forum.

You seem to think teams get star players whenever they want...OK!!! The system is setup for no more than 2 players of that caliber per team! The league, and Stern, want to create parity. Sad but true.

 

[thechosenone]

Your assessment of the Heat...is totally off. Lebron WENT WHERE THE STARS WERE ALREADY! That setup was done by Wade and Lebron...

That's exactly what I said. That if you have big time players, you can get someone else much more easier.
1. Because the player would want to play with one more big player
2. Because you have the pieces to make a trade.

You seem to think teams get star players whenever they want...OK!!! The system is setup for no more than 2 players of that caliber per team! The league, and Stern, want to create parity. Sad but true.

I agree. But Bulls is the only big market team right now without a second superstar.

What I said about Oden is that even the Heat is trying to make moves to help their stars.

By the way, I think Reinsdorf's organization did a damn good job of building around a star player...he has 6 rings to prove it!

You are talking about the greatest of all time. Come on! They were lucky to draft him. And then they got Pippen with a trade in the draft. Was that a big move? The Bulls have never done a big move. They just wait till they get a great player by luck.

DRose's chances to be drafted by the Bulls: 2%! Well done GarPax!
Michael Jordan's chances not to be drafted by the Rockets or the Blazers: 0,00001%

 

[Bear Pride]

Take your bargyani and shove him up you're asshole.
You really want this trade to get done don't you?
Its a foolish trade...........There are tons of other players in the league for the same price that they could of pursued instead of Baryani.
If getting rid of Boozer is the key to the Bulls future success, then just amnosty him........it would be better than getting Bargyanis *** ass for the next 2 or 3 years.

Sure, easy for you to just shell out millions cuz you don't like it. Now that's foolish.

Thank you...........The Bulls don't save with this trade in the long run...
If the salary cap is the only concern from the front office, then grow some fucking balls and just fire (amnosty) Boozer......Don't just trade him for garbage at a high price........Bargs contract could come back to haunt the Bulls when the big free agent class comes......................If you're going to take on another contact in return for Boozer, then at least get a good player..............If all they want to do is get rid of Boozer so bad, just amnosty him like I said..........or just leave the damed roster alone and see if Derrick comes back for the playoffs and make a damed run of it........................

Bottom line, ALWAYS TRY TO WIN.......LOOSING IS FOR LOOSERS............

Dude, only Losers spell it like Loosers!

I beg to differ, it saves a ton of cash. Taj's contract goes up $5 mil next year. Barg's contract saves $5 mil from Booz's contract next year. Nate and JL3's contracts wash and JL3's is a club option next year. Barg's contract is NOT guaranteed in 2014 and apparently has an out. Dump Barg in 2014 and virtually save the $16.8 mil you'd be paying Booz!!!!! Finance wise, this makes a ton of sense for the Bulls. Here are the numbers bitches!

After the trade:

Player	2012/2013	2013/2014	2014/2015	2015/2016	2016/2017
Derrick Rose	16,402,552	17,632,743	18,862,934	20,093,126	21,323,317
Andrea Bargnani	10,000,000	10,750,000	11,500,000	UFA
Luol Deng	13,305,000	14,275,000	UFA	-	-
Joakim Noah	11,300,000	11,100,000	12,200,000	13,400,000	UFA
Richard Hamilton	5,000,000	5,000,000	UFA	-	-
Kirk Hinrich	3,941,000	4,059,000	UFA	-	-
Taj Gibson	2,155,811	7,550,000	8,000,000	8,500,000	8,950,000
Marco Belinelli	1,957,000	UFA	-	-	-
Nazr Mohammed	1,352,181	UFA	-	-	-
Vladimir Radmanovic	1,352,181	UFA	-	-	-
John Lucas	1,500,000	1,567,500	UFA		-
Jimmy Butler	1,066,920	1,112,880	2,008,748	3,013,123	-
Marquis Teague	857,000	1,074,720	1,120,920	RFA	3,034,891
Daequan Cook	617,399	UFA	-	-	-
Total Salary	70,807,044	74,121,843	53,692,602	45,006,249	33,308,208

Before the trade:

Player	2012/2013	2013/2014	2014/2015	2015/2016	2016/2017
Derrick Rose	16,402,552	17,632,743	18,862,934	20,093,126	21,323,317
Carlos Boozer	15,000,000	15,300,000	16,800,000	UFA	-
Luol Deng	13,305,000	14,275,000	UFA	-	-
Joakim Noah	11,300,000	11,100,000	12,200,000	13,400,000	UFA
Richard Hamilton	5,000,000	5,000,000	UFA	-	-
Kirk Hinrich	3,941,000	4,059,000	UFA	-	-
Taj Gibson	2,155,811	7,550,000	8,000,000	8,500,000	8,950,000
Marco Belinelli	1,957,000	UFA	-	-	-
Nazr Mohammed	1,352,181	UFA	-	-	-
Vladimir Radmanovic	1,352,181	UFA	-	-	-
Nate Robinson	1,146,337	UFA	-	-	-
Jimmy Butler	1,066,920	1,112,880	2,008,748	3,013,123	-
Marquis Teague	857,000	1,074,720	1,120,920	RFA	3,034,891
Daequan Cook	617,399	UFA	-	-	-
Total Salary	75,453,381	77,104,343	58,992,602	45,006,249	33,308,208

 

[HearshotKDS]

By getting under the cap this season, am I correct in assuming that gives us a full MLE to offer next season, where as by staying over the apron we would only have the mini MLE instead? So by getting under the tax apron now, we're essentially moving that money to be used for next season? With Derrick's recent comments about being willing to miss the full year, I think you have to put away money this year to be used next year wherever you can.

That said: the booze for bargnani trade is hopefully no more than a plan C. Ideally we just offload Rip to another team. That's unfortunately probably not going to happen without us sweetening the deal with a pick. If the Bulls are forced to choose between the Nate/Booz/Bargn/JL3 trade, giving up Rip+our first, or staying pat and not getting below the apron; I don't find any of those options very appealing. But realistically this team as is' chance of getting even an outside shot at making the ECF snapped with Rose's ACL last year. It's a real shitty situation but those are the cards the Bulls have been dealt.

 

[Bear Pride]

So basically instead of being at $59 million without Deng under contract in 2014, we could release Barg and be at $42 million. For you dummies, that's $17 million difference!!! We'd have Mirotic on the way and some money to re-sign Deng.

 

[Axl Rose]

the thing is....who will we use MLE on?

JJ Redick? lol

 

[scottiepippen1994]

the thing is....who will we use MLE on?

JJ Redick? lol

Don't let them idiots get to you.
Paxson has brainwashed these homer fans to just accept what is dished out to them.
They don't want championships.
Fucking idiots.

 

[Bear Pride]

the thing is....who will we use MLE on?

JJ Redick? lol

You wanna LOL, how about Ben Gordon???
How about Durant? There are a lot of teams that are clearing up for the 2014 season, and the reality is this gives the Bulls a ton of cap flexibility that they didn't have. The Bulls are trying to set themselves up to bring in another super star realistically, and you douschbags are bitching about it. Go figure?!

 

[Bear Pride]

Don't let them idiots get to you.
Paxson has brainwashed these homer fans to just accept what is dished out to them.
They don't want championships.
Fucking idiots.

Dude, quit fuckin insulting everybody! What the **** exactly do you recommend. All your fuckin recommendation's and trades belong in fuckin fantasyland!

 

[houheffna]

That's exactly what I said. That if you have big time players, you can get someone else much more easier.
1. Because the player would want to play with one more big player
2. Because you have the pieces to make a trade.



I agree. But Bulls is the only big market team right now without a second superstar.

What I said about Oden is that even the Heat is trying to make moves to help their stars.


You are talking about the greatest of all time. Come on! They were lucky to draft him. And then they got Pippen with a trade in the draft. Was that a big move? The Bulls have never done a big move. They just wait till they get a great player by luck.

DRose's chances to be drafted by the Bulls: 2%! Well done GarPax!
Michael Jordan's chances not to be drafted by the Rockets or the Blazers: 0,00001%

My goodness man...what are you talking about? Pippen was someone they moved up and got. YES Gotdammit, that was a big damn move! He developed into a hall of fame player...so yes. That was a big move. You need to study the history of the team. Drafting Pippen wasn't just some move anybody would have done, the Bulls did it and deserve credit for it.

By the way, another big move? Ever heard of Dennis Rodman??? Imagine this forum being around in 1995...how many would have stated "I don't want Dennis Rodman because he is a lockerroom cancer..." and the thing is...HE ACTUALLY WAS! People call Lebron, Melo, Howard locker room cancers...do you have ANY idea how the Spurs felt about Rodman at the time? Again, google team history before making those types of statements.

 

[nwfisch]

Don't let them idiots get to you.
Paxson has brainwashed these homer fans to just accept what is dished out to them.
They don't want championships.
Fucking idiots.

Funny that people who said Dolan>Reinsdorf, and that Tyrus Thomas was a staple of a winning organization wanted championships, but people who want to get under the tax while keeping the best 3 players on team don't want a championship.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

Dude, quit fuckin insulting everybody! What the **** exactly do you recommend. All your fuckin recommendation's and trades belong in fuckin fantasyland!

Yeah sit you're goofy ass back and watch Boston get Howard.
What makes BOSTONS chances better than Chicago?
Ill tell you what makes there chances better, they are willing to take the risk.
So sit back and stand pat with Lord Paxson and enjoy lame ass trades to stuff more money in there pockets that you give them.
FOOOL