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So what should the defensive line look like colonel criticism?
So what should the defensive line look like colonel criticism?
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I think they run a 10 yard shuttle or something like that.
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He's referring to the first 10 yards of the 40 yard dash. They take splits at 10 yards and 20 yards. The 10 yard split can be used as a tool to determine explosion and more useful to refer to in-game situations for players like defensive linemen.
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michael bennett is going to cost the bears $20 million? cause that's how much space the bears will have after cutting peppers and bush. bears will have plenty of resources to sign multiple starters.
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I'll keep an eye out then, cheers for that
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/probe.php?genpos=DT&draftyear=2014&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC
Click on name and you'll see where the stat will be. Also a combine section at top of page. I've found this site the most accurate in terms of predraft projections and stat info. 51 hates it because the the main man isn't an actual NFL scout but last I checked, those guys had other jobs to do, LOL. 51 is the guy that says you can see what any GM does but then bitches about personal on a draft site that has lots actual scout connections and access to every workout.
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40 times are nice but strength and quickness is needed at DT. Yes there is a difference between a 40 time and quickness
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Okay so let's work with your 20mil estimate:
8-11: Bennett
3-5: Melton
2-3: Wootton
Leaving you with 1-7m of cap space (some of which will be needed for rookies) and 4th, 5th, and two 6th rd picks to fill:
RCB
Dime back
SS
Backup mike (assuming Bostic starts)
Backup sam (assuming Shea starts)
FS (unless you believe in conte)
C
QB2
RB2
TE2
Swing tackle
Backup for both G spots
And ST replacements for Bowman and Costanzo
Even if you backload the contracts for Bennett / Melton / Wootton, it's simply too many resources devoted to one position group
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michael bennett's first year cap hit won't be close to $8-$11 mil. he might get that per year. for reference charles johnson's first year cap hit was $10 mil. bennetts not getting a $75+ million dollar deal. if melton costs $3-$5 mil, you let him go and spend that money on someone not coming off an ACL.
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Congrats if you're a Bengals fan using the same logic you just let the best DT in the NFL leave your team.
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what are you talking about? atkins was re-signed prior to his injury.
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40 yard dash is useless. Give em pads and shit, maybe then it'll be worthwhile.
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No kidding?!!! Whoa breaking news! But you would low ball him with an insane offer if he was a free agent right?
ACL Injuries are injuries players never come back from so you should just low ball a free agent with an injury. Yeah low ball one of the best defensive tackles in the NFL tremendous logic there tough guy.
I love this stupid ideology on this board "Henry Melton got hurt last year so he deserves $3-million per year less than his market value". Fucking stupid.
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I firmly believe that Donald will be the most successful DT in this class.
His "size" or lack there of is a bit over blown. He's 1 inch & 10 pounds shorter than Jernigan & arm length won't be much different either.
He's a play maker. Plain & simple.
Averaged 1.5 sacks a game & 2.4 tackles for loss a game.
His "size" or lack there of is a bit over blown. He's 1 inch & 10 pounds shorter than Jernigan & arm length won't be much different either.
He's a play maker. Plain & simple.
Averaged 1.5 sacks a game & 2.4 tackles for loss a game.
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1. if atkins had blown out his ACL prior to getting hurt, he would not have gotten close to that much money until he had PROVEN he was back to form.
2. melton played very poorly before getting hurt.
3. melton's never been close to atkins level. melton has ONE season as a top flight DT, his contract season. he was a good pass rusher before that who struggled against the run.
it's not that you can't come back from an ACL, and most do, but not all. no team is going to give a player the same money coming off an major injury as they would have before that injury. that's just common sense.
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You're wrong on all accounts he had two very good seasons and had one season playing behind Tommie Harris where he showed flashes of how good he could be. He started and immediately made an impact as one of the best DTs in the NFL.
But thanks for showing you have an uneducated stupid bias against Melton.
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Aaron Donald is officially 6'1 285lbs. That is on the small side for a DT not overblown. With that said, he is not simply a workout wonder or track guy, he is said to bench press 500lbs and put up 30+ reps of 225. He is a 3-Tech so if he runs a 4.5 you make him your starter and don't pay to keep him AND Melton.
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Yeah because who in the hell wants two good defensive tackles on the same roster, where is in the sense in that? It's better to just have one good starter and one mediocre backup so when your starter goes down with an injury you're fucked. Defensive tackles never get injured so there's no reason to have a great backup.
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Where do you come up with the idea that Henry Melton should only be paid $3-5Mil, I mean do you just make that up based on your imagination or do you have some logic behind the concept of paying Henry Melton less than what Tim Jennings makes???
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Yeah because you draft a backup with the #14 pick, or better yet you pay premium money to Henry Melton to back him up? They both play the same position and will rarely be on the field at the same time unless somebody plays a new position. I don't like either as a DE in the 4-3 base the Bears will be playing. I like both players but you can't play or pay both like a starter.
I'm not saying it wouldn't be awesome to have both players, but it wouldn't be a smart use of resources.
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we're talking about the same henry melton who got arrested in december, and whose GM publicly called out his dedication to football, right?