If the Bears are targeting a QB -

[PolarBear]

Because if SF actually wanted Trubisky they'd just take him. They wouldn't not take him because the Bears gave them a 3rd rounder. If they traded to someone else, they'd get more than a 3rd rounder. And if they didn't want him he'd be there at #3. What am I missing?

A lot...

Wow.

 

[Milky]

I think it could still happen before the draft but more like in a week.

I don't understand why people are willing to move up several draft spots but not one to get the guy you want. What is the difference? There is a real risk of a team jumping us to grab the QB we want. Rather than get caught out, I would rather just go and make sure we have the opportunity to pick who we want.

It really doesn't make any sense does it?

"Let's just wait til next year when we're picking ~15th and mortgage much more capital because the '18 class is way better"

Fast forward to 2018… the same people…

"It's too costly to move up and secure Darnold/Rosen etc…. We should've taken Trubs/Watson when we had the chance."


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[PolarBear]

And the price is really irrelevant and wasn't the main focus...I just threw a pick out there based on that old draft chart.

I will repeat it once more as to why SF would go for it.

Let's say SF wants to trade down - that would mean they aren't interested in a QB and have their sights on a small group of players and would likely only want to move a certain number of spots down.

The Bears offer a very attractable situation where SF can get a pick out of Chicago to take a player they would have chosen at #2 anyway and don't run the risk of missing out on their target.

 

[MrOuija]

A lot...

Wow.

Please explain.

 

[iueyedoc]

If the Bears trot this product out by mid season
1) Can it win?
2) Would you be happy?

White Leno Sitton Whitehair Long Massie Engram Wright Meredith
---------------------Trubisky/Watson----------------------------
------------------------Howard----------------------------------

------------- Hicks Goldman Kpassagnon-----------
McPhee Trevathan Freeman Floyd/Young
Fuller Demps Houston-Carson S Jones

 

[PolarBear]

See above everbody that keeps talking about SF taking Trubisky/Watson.

Why in the world would SF even entertain the idea of trading down with any team if they wanted Trubisky/Watson?

I am saying - if SF is taking calls about #2 which there have been rumours of them doing, the Bears need to be on the phone too making sure they don't get jumped.

 

[bearmick]

Please explain.

The concern isn't the Niners taking the QB, it's them trading the pick (which they apparently want to) to another team who wants the QB.

 

[iueyedoc]

See above everbody that keeps talking about SF taking Trubisky/Watson.

Why in the world would SF even entertain the idea of trading down with any team if they wanted Trubisky/Watson?

I am saying - if SF is taking calls about #2 which there have been rumours of them doing, the Bears need to be on the phone too making sure they don't get jumped.

The closest team that may jump the Bears would be the Jets at #6. To move from #6 to #2 would cost multiple firsts and more. While I like Trubisky, if the Bears were at #6, no way I see any QB worth that in this draft. I think the value in taking a QB at #3 is in that the Bears don't have to trade a treasure trove of picks to get a top QB. I don't think anyone is jumping up far for these guys. None are a Luck type slam dunk, or even a RG3 perceived slam dunk.

 

[Adipost]

again, if Trubs is so coveted, why isn't Shanny taking him? If you like a QB at #2, you aren't fielding calls, you just take him.

Kirk Cousins

 

[MrOuija]

See above everbody that keeps talking about SF taking Trubisky/Watson.

Why in the world would SF even entertain the idea of trading down with any team if they wanted Trubisky/Watson?

I am saying - if SF is taking calls about #2 which there have been rumours of them doing, the Bears need to be on the phone too making sure they don't get jumped.

So how much are you willing to give up? Because if they take a call from say the Jets, then they're likely giving up a 1st next year and a 2nd, not a 3rd rounder like you suggest the Bears give up.

 

[JoJoBoxer]

I would trade a future 3rd round pick to move up and make sure I got Trubisky (my guy)...Pace should do so if he likes him or Watson.

You, like so many, assume that the Bears have THEIR guy which is one QB head and shoulders above everyone else.

Reality tells us that, with so many QBs with serious flaws in their games, the Bears probably have Mickey and Watson (possibly even Kizer) rated equally and probably much lower than other prospects. If the Bears decide to draft a QB (and that seems more and more likely as we get closer to the draft), instead of trading up for one of their choices, they can sit there at 3 or even do a slight trade down and still get one of the two, if not have the choice of either.

 

[JoJoBoxer]

That depends. If San Fran is interested in a guy like Hooker, Thomas Lattimore or even Foster (a guy they have been linked too), the Bears literally offer an option where they can still get the guy they want plus a pick. Teams like the Jets, Bills and Browns can't guarantee that they get the guy they want and get extra picks.

Use your logic and apply it to the Bears. They can use the extra picks also... and still get their Non-their guy.

 

[Adipost]

You, like so many, assume that the Bears have THEIR guy which is one QB head and shoulders above everyone else.

Reality tells us that, with so many QBs with serious flaws in their games, the Bears probably have Mickey and Watson (possibly even Kizer) rated equally and probably much lower than other prospects. If the Bears decide to draft a QB (and that seems more and more likely as we get closer to the draft), instead of trading up for one of their choices, they can sit there at 3 or even do a slight trade down and still get one of the two, if not have the choice of either.

After all this time, reasearch, meetings, combines, pro days, you don't think the Bears have a qb they clearly like over the rest?

 

[PolarBear]

again, if Trubs is so coveted, why isn't Shanny taking him? If you like a QB at #2, you aren't fielding calls, you just take him.

It's like I am talking to a parrot.

 

[PolarBear]

Use your logic and apply it to the Bears. They can use the extra picks also... and still get their Non-their guy.

Why in the world would they want to get their "Non-their guy"...

Use your logic.

 

[PolarBear]

The closest team that may jump the Bears would be the Jets at #6. To move from #6 to #2 would cost multiple firsts and more. While I like Trubisky, if the Bears were at #6, no way I see any QB worth that in this draft. I think the value in taking a QB at #3 is in that the Bears don't have to trade a treasure trove of picks to get a top QB. I don't think anyone is jumping up far for these guys. None are a Luck type slam dunk, or even a RG3 perceived slam dunk.

Your opinion on the QB's and what teams think could definitely be very different...

We saw teams trade a heck of a lot for Jared Goff and Carson Wentz.

 

[bearmick]

again, if Trubs is so coveted, why isn't Shanny taking him? If you like a QB at #2, you aren't fielding calls, you just take him.

SF have expressed interest in trading down. The issue isn't with SF taking the QB, it's with another team trading up if THEY want the QB, to SF's #2 pick, and jumping in front of the Bears.

I'm not getting what's so hard to understand about this.

 

[PolarBear]

So how much are you willing to give up? Because if they take a call from say the Jets, then they're likely giving up a 1st next year and a 2nd, not a 3rd rounder like you suggest the Bears give up.

I am willing to give up whatever it takes if Pace is confident that's his guy.

You are forgetting that the Bears have the #3 pick. That's 3 spots ahead of NYJ so the extra picks won't have to be as valuable. We have a headstart on beating out the Jets offer already.

 

[MrOuija]

The concern isn't the Niners taking the QB, it's them trading the pick (which they apparently want to) to another team who wants the QB.

Any team trading from below the Bears is going to give up far more than the 3rd rounder he suggested. It is immediately cost prohibitive. You want to give up an extra 1st round pick, or two, or more? Because that's what it'd take.

 

[PolarBear]

stop it, none of these guys are in wentz's league

Oh you mean the guy who had 1-2 seasons of college reps at North Dakota State. Such a transcendent prospect.