IGT: Oilers at Blackhawks Tonight, 7:30 PM CT

[HawkWriter]

He won't.

I just don't see how Carcillo fits anywhere other than the 4th line on this team. He just doesn't have the hands to be a Top 6 forward. Yeah he's always willing to throw his body around, but is that really needed on Toews' line? First off, Toews wins faceoffs at an absurd rate. You also have Hossa out there, who gets control of the puck and simply refuses to let it go. I'd also put an obscene amount of money on Toews to win the majority of 50/50 puck battles.

If those two are always in control of the puck, do you really need a third guy whose only real skill is borderline aggression? I think you need a guy with hands. Carcillo is not that guy.

I understand demoting Saad for a bit after a few careless penalties last night. But I don't see why Carcillo should be skating on the top line on Thursday night in St. Louis.

It isn't about demoting Saad because of the penalties, it is more about demoting him because he just isn't complimenting Toews/Hossa as well as a guy like Carcillo does. I actually think Carcillo's skills are underrated. Saad has 0 assists while playing with Toews/Hossa...and that is becoming a red flag. He is just too similar a player in a lot of ways and doesn't compliment them. Saad is a better player and has more skill than Carcillo...but skill isn't everything and I think we see Carcillo/Toews/Hossa because Carcillo seems to open things up and play off of those two better than Saad. Not saying Carcillo is a top 6 guy and Saad isn't...but in this case it is about who makes that first line of Toews/Hossa best, and I believe that player is Carcillo (out of Carcillo and Saad).

I really see a trade of Stalberg in the future. Things are getting tight. Also...wouldn't be utterly shocked to see a trade of Bolland over the next year. EDIT: By the way, a big reason why I think Stalberg/Bolland could go is because of the decrease in cap and the emergence of guys on ELC like Shaw/Saad and Kruger (RFA after this year)

 

[nwfisch]

It isn't about demoting Saad because of the penalties, it is more about demoting him because he just isn't complimenting Toews/Hossa as well as a guy like Carcillo does. I actually think Carcillo's skills are underrated. Saad has 0 assists while playing with Toews/Hossa...and that is becoming a red flag. He is just too similar a player in a lot of ways and doesn't compliment them. Saad is a better player and has more skill than Carcillo...but skill isn't everything and I think we see Carcillo/Toews/Hossa because Carcillo seems to open things up and play off of those two better than Saad. Not saying Carcillo is a top 6 guy and Saad isn't...but in this case it is about who makes that first line of Toews/Hossa best, and I believe that player is Carcillo (out of Carcillo and Saad).

I really see a trade of Stalberg in the future. Things are getting tight. Also...wouldn't be utterly shocked to see a trade of Bolland over the next year. EDIT: By the way, a big reason why I think Stalberg/Bolland could go is because of the decrease in cap and the emergence of guys on ELC like Shaw/Saad and Kruger (RFA after this year)

Trading Stalberg is a terrible idea.

But, I understand that his speed and finishing ability, or lack thereof can easily be replaced. What would a fair value be for Stalberg? A couple of picks and a maybe a "C level" prospect?

 

[HawkWriter]

Trading Stalberg is a terrible idea.

But, I understand that his speed and finishing ability, or lack thereof can easily be replaced. What would a fair value be for Stalberg? A couple of picks and a maybe a "C level" prospect?

Really could go two ways with Stalberg. He could be both beneficial to a competing team and a rebuilding team.

To a rebuilding team it would be Stalberg + for an expiring UFA who would be better than Stalberg.
To a competing team it would be Stalberg for a 3rd/4th liner + mid pick/prospect.

A trade I think could work for both teams would be...Stalberg to Sens (who Blackhawks have been scouting hard) for Z. Smith + mid-low pick/prospect. Smith is a faceoff guy who can play 3rd line center but also 4th line center if needed. There have been rumors in the past that Blackhawks were interested in Smith.

 

[Diehardfan]

Makes perfect sense. Edmonton is probably the only team in the league that can match Chicago's speed.

Ahhhh, I see. So that's why they've been such a force in the NHL for the last 6 years......

 

[Diehardfan]

Really could go two ways with Stalberg. He could be both beneficial to a competing team and a rebuilding team.

To a rebuilding team it would be Stalberg + for an expiring UFA who would be better than Stalberg.
To a competing team it would be Stalberg for a 3rd/4th liner + mid pick/prospect.

A trade I think could work for both teams would be...Stalberg to Sens (who Blackhawks have been scouting hard) for Z. Smith + mid-low pick/prospect. Smith is a faceoff guy who can play 3rd line center but also 4th line center if needed. There have been rumors in the past that Blackhawks were interested in Smith.

At this point, given the Cap and other monetary issues....I have to agree with you. But I don't like it. The guy just oozes potential. You can't teach speed but unfortunately with all the north-south speed he has, he has limited agility and bad hands. My God, someone should have pulled this kid aside and told him to work day and night on handling the puck...that's something that's teachable. My guess, wherever he's moved.....they'll do just that.

 

[HawkWriter]

At this point, given the Cap and other monetary issues....I have to agree with you. But I don't like it. The guy just oozes potential. You can't teach speed but unfortunately with all the north-south speed he has, he has limited agility and bad hands. My God, someone should have pulled this kid aside and told him to work day and night on handling the puck...that's something that's teachable. My guess, wherever he's moved.....they'll do just that.

I agree. I would love to keep Stalberg but I have to believe that other teams out there easily see top 6 potential out there and will pay him accordingly. The way the Blackhawks are set up with the big 4 guys, there is no reason to overpay for what should be a complimentary player (which is why I think Carcillo, Kruger, Saad right now, etc can play top 6 with the Blackhawks because the top 4 are that damn good). I think Stalberg will be asking for $3mil and could get it on the open market and could definitely get it from a handful of teams who will be looking for a player like him.

By the way, definitely know the team doesn't have a regulation loss (and loving every moment of it) but it is never too early to look ahead. Next year there are going to be some pretty big changes with the salary cap, amnesty buyouts, burying rules, etc. I believe the Blackhawks need to get something for Stalberg now, instead of letting him walk.

 

[DewsSox79]

carcillo wont stay on the top line. A perm move has not been justified.

 

[CuttyMarsh2012forOffice]

Stalberg is a bit overrated. All he does is SHOOT and doesn't really have the consistent stats to back up his shots taken per game. The guy really needs to find accuracy and stop ripping pucks at the goalies chest. For crying out loud the guy set a Blackhawk single game record for shots in a game and I dont believe he even registered a point that day.If I were to take 12 or 13 shots in a hockey game, I better start producing or my coach is going to bench me for making stupid decisions. Stalberg needs to pass more, or he needs to work on his target practice

 

[DMelt36]

Ahhhh, I see. So that's why they've been such a force in the NHL for the last 6 years......

Not what I said. I simply stated that the Oilers have the ability to match Chicago's speed. But they have absolutely no defense to speak of, which is why the rest of the league torches them.

Remember what Edmonton did to the Hawks in Alberta last year? Twice?

 

[DMelt36]

If Stalberg gets shipped to a rebuilding team and expects Stalberg to carry the top 6 of their offense, they're going to be sadly disappointed. He's a really, really good complimentary player. But I don't think he'll ever be a go-to guy.

 

[Diehardfan]

Not what I said. I simply stated that the Oilers have the ability to match Chicago's speed. But they have absolutely no defense to speak of, which is why the rest of the league torches them.

Remember what Edmonton did to the Hawks in Alberta last year? Twice?

My point....exactly. Remember what a bad Royals team did to the White Sox last year? For whatever reason, sometimes a bad team has the number of a good team.

 

[DMelt36]

My point....exactly. Remember what a bad Royals team did to the White Sox last year? For whatever reason, sometimes a bad team has the number of a good team.

Agreed. And it's because of Edmonton's ability to match Chicago's speed.

 

[nwfisch]

Stalberg is a bit overrated. All he does is SHOOT and doesn't really have the consistent stats to back up his shots taken per game. The guy really needs to find accuracy and stop ripping pucks at the goalies chest. For crying out loud the guy set a Blackhawk single game record for shots in a game and I dont believe he even registered a point that day.If I were to take 12 or 13 shots in a hockey game, I better start producing or my coach is going to bench me for making stupid decisions. Stalberg needs to pass more, or he needs to work on his target practice

Stalgod is underrated :smh:

 

[DewsSox79]

Stalberg is a bit overrated. All he does is SHOOT and doesn't really have the consistent stats to back up his shots taken per game. The guy really needs to find accuracy and stop ripping pucks at the goalies chest. For crying out loud the guy set a Blackhawk single game record for shots in a game and I dont believe he even registered a point that day.If I were to take 12 or 13 shots in a hockey game, I better start producing or my coach is going to bench me for making stupid decisions. Stalberg needs to pass more, or he needs to work on his target practice

a couple of things with him. one being he has zero hands when it comes to puck possession, passing and shooting. there is also a difference in being a fast skater and a good skater. duncan keith is both. stalberg is just fast but lacks true skating ability. he is a one trick pony.


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[Diehardfan]

a couple of things with him. one being he has zero hands when it comes to puck possession, passing and shooting. there is also a difference in being a fast skater and a good skater. duncan keith is both. stalberg is just fast but lacks true skating ability. he is a one trick pony.


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Yeah, I know. But you watch him and can't help thinking that this guy could or should be so much better. There have been plenty of good NHLers with limited agility but you wont find many top 6 forwards with bad hands. He's got the stuff you can't teach, why hasnt he worked on what's holding him back? You can teach puck control, you can teach passing. You would think somewhere down the line someone would've worked with him on this.

 

[DewsSox79]

Yeah, I know. But you watch him and can't help thinking that this guy could or should be so much better. There have been plenty of good NHLers with limited agility but you wont find many top 6 forwards with bad hands. He's got the stuff you can't teach, why hasnt he worked on what's holding him back? You can teach puck control, you can teach passing. You would think somewhere down the line someone would've worked with him on this.

oh and i agree 100% thats why i get frustrated.


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