I'm looking for a map (My ancestor and his Silver Star)

JOVE23

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Remember how I found out how my great grand uncle won the silver star in WWI?



I've been doing a lot of digging and I found out how he won the medal, and roughly where. I'd like to narrow it down as much as possible.



Here is the citation for his medal:







The sergeant that wrote the citation was captured in this engagement, and in the unit history I have that mentions this engagement says they were in a shell hole near a patch of woods.



http://wikimapia.org/#lat=49.3075554&lon=5.04262&z=13&l=0&m=b&search=gesnes



the Bois de Gesnes is the forest with the crosshairs on it, I would think the open space between that forest and the one just south to it (the Bois de la Morine) would be a great killing field for the german machine gunners mentioned in the citation.



Now, onto the other documents (and the crux of this post). The National Archives sent me some documents that reference the location of my ancestor's original battlefield grave. I'm assuming that because of the chaotic nature of WWI and the specific engagement where our guys got captured, they buried my ancestor where he fell.



Here are those documents:











Both the Very 211 Groupe de Canevas de Tir and NE35 maps are French trench/artillery maps. I think these maps and those specific coordinates would allow me to pinpoint the exact location where my great granduncle was when he was killed in 1918.



If anyone is a map hound or war buff and wants to help me dig for these maps, I'd appreciate it very much.



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I know you don't mean any harm, but he was awarded the silver star in recognition of his actions. He didn't win anything.
 

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You should contact the French national archives. They should have records for that stuff. Explain your situation like you did to the National Archives here.
 

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Fascinating stuff Jove. I hope you can find those maps.
 

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You should contact the French national archives. They should have records for that stuff. Explain your situation like you did to the National Archives here.





This. It is what we did with one of my grandfathers to get information on some of the WWII stuff he had in a locked chest and never spoke of. They were extremely helpful with the little information we had, and with what you have Jove I am sure they can definitely help you out.
 

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First off, I want to say how impressed I am with your research and your tenacity to get information on your family who perished in WWII. It is quite commendable and impressive to me. I come from a family of three sons and we each served in a different branch of service but we do not come from a family of veterans nor do I know of any family members serving our perishing during the WW's. Does your fascination with wanting to learn come from having served yourself? I find it quite commendable what you are doing. We must all remember and not just our current military situations. We honor those who gave all by remembering them and you are providing that honor by revealing to your family and all of us of his sacrifice. Thank you honoring our veterans and your great grand uncle.



While reading your story it reminded me of a scene from Band of Brothers in regards to the Battle at Bastogne. I hope this clip is not too candid for you but it seems to bring to life his situation.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzY6ON0QGb8
 

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I've sent an e-mail to the relevant French historic archive. I hope to hear back from them shortly.
 

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I didn't find your map, but you did inspire me to go on to ancestry.com and start researching my family tree. Found out my paternal grandfather (who died befroe I was old enough to remember him) had an 8th grade education and worked as a teamster, truck driver and laborer at the Great Northern Sugar Beet Company in Mason City IA. He registered for the draft during WWI but claimed a hardship because he was supporting his mother, wife and 2 children. I'm now researching my Great Grandfather
 

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I've sent an e-mail to the relevant French historic archive. I hope to hear back from them shortly.





Good deal, and I bet you will hear from them soon. For selfish reasons, I am interested in your results...I know my own were very interesting.
 

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Good deal, and I bet you will hear from them soon. For selfish reasons, I am interested in your results...I know my own were very interesting.
I have to echo that sentiment as well. You find some very interesting things when conducting a geneoligical study on your family. I found out that my great great great grandfather may have enlisted in the Civil War at the very same place that I work today.
 

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Are you guys finding all this info for free online? I'd love to research my Grampa who servrd in WWII (the big one) in North Africa.
 

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You can sign up at ancestry.com 2 weeks free, then @ $20 a month
 

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Are you guys finding all this info for free online? I'd love to research my Grampa who servrd in WWII (the big one) in North Africa.

Tater, go to National Archives web site first. If you have some vital info on you grandpa you can get plenty of stuff from them. But yes I also used ancestry and found out lots of stuff going 5 and 6 generations back to their european migrations.
 

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Or get a Mormon friend that likes to do that kinda thing.







My Dad traced our family back to the seventh or eighth century. I am related to Charlemagne.
 

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Tater, go to National Archives web site first. If you have some vital info on you grandpa you can get plenty of stuff from them. But yes I also used ancestry and found out lots of stuff going 5 and 6 generations back to their european migrations.



Thanks Pete.
 

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Or get a Mormon friend that likes to do that kinda thing.







My Dad traced our family back to the seventh or eighth century. I am related to Charlemagne.



Going back that far makes us all related somehow. Shudder at the thought.
 

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Tater, go to National Archives web site first. If you have some vital info on you grandpa you can get plenty of stuff from them. But yes I also used ancestry and found out lots of stuff going 5 and 6 generations back to their european migrations.

http://www.archives.gov/veterans/military-service-records/



There are several ways to look this stuff up and some of it is on Ancestry.com or Fold3.com - Good luck!
 

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http://www.archives....ervice-records/



There are several ways to look this stuff up and some of it is on Ancestry.com or Fold3.com - Good luck!



I tried that link to get the online information but it doesn't seem to be working. I'm on step 1 where they ask what your relationship is with the deceased but it doesn't allow you to type anything in there.
 

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