Is Bagent Worth a 6th or a 5th?

[I Just Want To Read]

I wouldn't trade him.

You can make a pretty easy case that backup QB is a top 15 most important player on your roster.

 

[Aquineas]

Bagent? Bagent!!??!? We don't need no steenking Bagent

 

[I Just Want To Read]

I missed Bagent against the Bengals but I’ve heard from a couple different sources that his arm looks stronger than it did last year…can anyone weigh in on this?

I believe it was Hoge and Jahns actually who said this

Maybe a bit but it's not like it's wildly different.

He has below average arm strength, but if he can be good at everything else that's still a competent QB.

 

[Myk]

Bagent is as important as a giraffe. Admittedly at a much lower price.
We have that other guy who's as good if not better just not tested in a game backup situation.

If you can turn a 0 rounder into a 4th or 5th it could be worth it. Don't forget if he is all some of you think he is he won't stick around to be backup forever. The money you save is for a limited time vs the priceless draft pick.

If someone makes a legit offer on a backup that you already have a replacement for you take it. Backup QBs are not as hard to find as the Bears make it seem, we've been finding plenty of them in the search for starters.

 

[Nelly]

Bagent is as important as a giraffe. Admittedly at a much lower price.
We have that other guy who's as good if not better just not tested in a game backup situation.

If you can turn a 0 rounder into a 4th or 5th it could be worth it. Don't forget if he is all some of you think he is he won't stick around to be backup forever. The money you save is for a limited time vs the priceless draft pick.

If someone makes a legit offer on a backup that you already have a replacement for you take it. Backup QBs are not as hard to find as the Bears make it seem, we've been finding plenty of them in the search for starters.

I laughed. The problem is that we've been finding them with premium assets, like the #2 overall pick in 2017 and the #11 overall pick in 2021. Finding one as a UDFA would be a nice boon for once. Austin Reed looks like he's got some skills too to possibly be a viable backup too. The times they are achangin'.

 

[pdxbearsfan]

Considering that the Raiders haven't chosen a QB1 yet, perhaps ol' Getsy would jump at the opportunity to bring in a known commodity that did well in his system.

On the other hand maybe TBags is too valuable to Poles & Flus because he is a proven backup and his contract is cheap...?

He's not going anywhere, has looked good and we need a reliable BU.

 

[pdxbearsfan]

it looked like his velocity was higher compared to the previous year

Agreed in both games, he was dropping dimes against Cincy.

 

[MakeMyDay]

Tyson Bagent Have yourself a day!

 

[vinson555]

If the raiders wanna give up a 2nd for him, bye. Give him a chance to prove it out there.

 

[knoxville7]

I stand corrected. I misread Bagent's stat as a starter somehow. I thought that at first too and I looked it up. He was 2-2 so 0.500 vs Fields last year at 5 -8, 0.384. Teams would love for a backup to be 0.500 filling in. He's our 2nd string QB all the way and getting better in year #2.

Bagents numbers in the 2 losses where he started....

@ NO - 18/30 220 yards 2 TD's and 3 INTS
@LAC - 25/37 232 yards 0 TD's and 2INTS

pretty terrible

in the 2 wins

vs Carolina - 20/33 for 162 yards 0 TDS and 0INTS
vs LV - 21/29 162 yards 1 TD and 0 INTS

what to take away from that is that the more the bears relied upon Bagent and asked of him, the worse the Bears did. The less they asked of him and tried to hide him...the better the results were for the Bears

he isnt worth a draft pick, but if somebody offers one....you take it

 

[Bearly]

Bagents numbers in the 2 losses where he started....

@ NO - 18/30 220 yards 2 TD's and 3 INTS
@LAC - 25/37 232 yards 0 TD's and 2INTS

pretty terrible

in the 2 wins

vs Carolina - 20/33 for 162 yards 0 TDS and 0INTS
vs LV - 21/29 162 yards 1 TD and 0 INTS

what to take away from that is that the more the bears relied upon Bagent and asked of him, the worse the Bears did. The less they asked of him and tried to hide him...the better the results were for the Bears

he isnt worth a draft pick, but if somebody offers one....you take it

Those were his 1st 4 games as a rookie. If Justin was held to that standard he'd have been gone after his 1st year. Out of 10 starts that year Justin threw more TDs than INTs 2 times and I was all for letting that play out for another year or 2 to see him develop.

 

[knoxville7]

Those were his 1st 4 games as a rookie. If Justin was held to that standard he'd have been gone after his 1st year. Out of 10 starts that year Justin threw more TDs than INTs 2 times and I was all for letting that play out for another year or 2 to see him develop.

not sure why youre turning this into a JF1 vs Bagent debate. i made zero mention of JF1

yes, bagent was a rookie. that doesnt mean we cant extrapolate out what we think he will be.

tell me...how many undrafted rookie QB's that have more INTs than TD's in their first year turn out to be even a decent pro? Ill wait

so either Bagent will fail like every guy before him has, or you think he is some unicorn that will overcome all of that. ill go with the former option, you can go with the latter if you wish

if someone offers the bears a draft pick for him, i hope they are smart enough to take that ROI

 

[didshereallysaythat]

not sure why youre turning this into a JF1 vs Bagent debate. i made zero mention of JF1

yes, bagent was a rookie. that doesnt mean we cant extrapolate out what we think he will be.

tell me...how many undrafted rookie QB's that have more INTs than TD's in their first year turn out to be even a decent pro? Ill wait

so either Bagent will fail like every guy before him has, or you think he is some unicorn that will overcome all of that. ill go with the former option, you can go with the latter if you wish

if someone offers the bears a draft pick for him, i hope they are smart enough to take that ROI

What undrafted rookie that has made it lights it up in his 1st 4 starts?

He looks to have improved into at a minimum a solid backup. You don't trade that for a late round draft pick. If you were to use a 7th next year on a developmental QB, you would hope he turns into what Bagent already has become.

Or let's just go with a failed journeyman as our backup like most teams do.

 

[didshereallysaythat]

Tyson Bagent Have yourself a day!

His footwork and release is praised here and rightfully so. Quick, decisive and accurate. Albeit against scrubs at this point in the game but the mechanics look great.

 

[knoxville7]

What undrafted rookie that has made it lights it up in his 1st 4 starts?

He looks to have improved into at a minimum a solid backup. You don't trade that for a late round draft pick. If you were to use a 7th next year on a developmental QB, you would hope he turns into what Bagent already has become.

Or let's just go with a failed journeyman as our backup like most teams do.

see, this is the issue. nobody ever said he needed to come in and light it up in those 4 games. but he flat out stunk. so yeah, id trade him if there is a team foolish enough to give up a late round pick for him

who said anything about using a 7th on a developmental QB next year?? ever heard of round 4 or 3 or hell, even 5??

what current NFL backup QB are you just salivating over?? what team has some stud waiting in the wings as a backup currently?? having a journeyman or avg play at the backup QB position is the norm.

 

[didshereallysaythat]

see, this is the issue. nobody ever said he needed to come in and light it up in those 4 games. but he flat out stunk. so yeah, id trade him if there is a team foolish enough to give up a late round pick for him

who said anything about using a 7th on a developmental QB next year?? ever heard of round 4 or 3 or hell, even 5??

what current NFL backup QB are you just salivating over?? what team has some stud waiting in the wings as a backup currently?? having a journeyman or avg play at the backup QB position is the norm.

Would you rather have Rypien as the backup? He was terrible last year with McVay as his coach.

 

[knoxville7]

Would you rather have Rypien as the backup? He was terrible last year with McVay as his coach.

youre moving goalposts...nowhere did i advocate for Rypien, so of course naturally you bring him up

do you really think Bagent provides THAT MUCH better production as a backup than Rypien? That is the real question.

i would happily trade Rypien for a late round draft pick, too FWIW.

but neither are fetching that in a trade because they both stink

in reality you are concerned with how the backup QB plays, when we have CW as the starter and hopefully he stays healthy. If CW does not stay healthy, the season is over either way...agreed??

 

[didshereallysaythat]

youre moving goalposts...nowhere did i advocate for Rypien, so of course naturally you bring him up

do you really think Bagent provides THAT MUCH better production as a backup than Rypien? That is the real question.

i would happily trade Rypien for a late round draft pick, too FWIW.

but neither are fetching that in a trade because they both stink

in reality you are concerned with how the backup QB plays, when we have CW as the starter and hopefully he stays healthy. If CW does not stay healthy, the season is over either way...agreed??

Ofcourse the season is over if he is out for the year. But if say he misses a game or two, it would be nice if the backup QB did not lead to an automatic loss. The Bears were atleast competitive with Bagent last year in 3 of the 4 games he started. Rypien was atrocious in both games last year.

So yes, I do think Bagent provides enough better protection as a backup compared to Rypien that I am not willing to give up a late round pick to trade. If you go down the list of QBs last year, over half of starting QBs missed atleast 1 game. So there is a good probability that Bagent needs to start at some point.

Now if you gave me a mid round pick where you can use it to draft a tier 2 QB out of college as a backup, then we are talking. That is not happening though.

 

[dbldrew]

youre moving goalposts...nowhere did i advocate for Rypien, so of course naturally you bring him up

do you really think Bagent provides THAT MUCH better production as a backup than Rypien? That is the real question.

i would happily trade Rypien for a late round draft pick, too FWIW.

but neither are fetching that in a trade because they both stink

in reality you are concerned with how the backup QB plays, when we have CW as the starter and hopefully he stays healthy. If CW does not stay healthy, the season is over either way...agreed??

Rypien has been in the league i think 5 years so not exactly the same situation. The point for Bagent is to attempt to develop him into a really sold backup that you might develop into a quality starter and then you can trade him for something. Trading him now is pointless

 

[Bearly]

not sure why youre turning this into a JF1 vs Bagent debate. i made zero mention of JF1

yes, bagent was a rookie. that doesnt mean we cant extrapolate out what we think he will be.

tell me...how many undrafted rookie QB's that have more INTs than TD's in their first year turn out to be even a decent pro? Ill wait

so either Bagent will fail like every guy before him has, or you think he is some unicorn that will overcome all of that. ill go with the former option, you can go with the latter if you wish

if someone offers the bears a draft pick for him, i hope they are smart enough to take that ROI

I wasn't turning this into a Bagent vs JF debate in any way. JF was just our last starting QB and better than Bagent but he still had a slow start as did Goff, Lawrence etc, etc. and please don't imply that I think he's those guys either. The 1st 4 games simply doesn't tell us much about a QB's potential.

Keep waiting because you're trying to determine something from a too small sample size. I'll make my decision about Bagent when I think I've seen enough to determine anything one way or the other and I also understand what an offseason can do for a small school player.

I know that Pace protected him in final cuts last year so at least he felt there was enough potential to keep. Whether that shows itself remains to be seen. Why such a heated response?