Is Derrick Rose a Superstar?

[Steve Breakfast Styleham]

The other day while watering my petunias I heard someone on ESPN refer to Derrick Rose as a "superstar."

IS Derrick Rose a superstar?

He's having a good season. Clearly, he's an MVP candidate. He has a dunk of the week all the time on the highlight reels.

...But is he a SUPERSTAR?

He's certainly a star but as good as he is, I have trouble calling him a super star.

In addition to playing ability, a superstar is someone who can walk into a filming of Oprah and everyone (non-traditional sports fans) knows who they are.

There are only 4 superstars in my mind right now. Kobe. LeBron. Dwyane Wade and Shaquille O'Neal.

While Shaq hasn't been a superstar in playing ability for many seasons, he IS one of the few guys who anyone would know.

Tim Duncan, in my mind has never nor will ever be a superstar. He won 4 rings, great. No one knows who he is (outside of bloggers and sports fanatics), but people DO know Kobe, LeBron, Wade and Shaq.

(Kevin Garnett is very similar. A great, great, great player...but no one knows who he is. When he was on Letterman Ray Allen did 95% of the talking).

Whenever the Spurs were in the Finals the ratings were the lowest in the history of the game.

No one wants to watch Tim Duncan. That's just the cold hard facts. The only fun in the Big Fundamental are the first 3 words in fundamental. And it's mental to think he's a superstar or ever WILL be a superstar.

Derrick Rose though...I honestly cannot call him a superstar yet.

If he stays healthy and keeps working hard, he WILL be in time...but a superstar at 21...22 years of age? LeBron was...but I can't see Rose being one yet.

 

[houheffna]

The other day while watering my petunias I heard someone on ESPN refer to Derrick Rose as a "superstar."

IS Derrick Rose a superstar?

He's having a good season. Clearly, he's an MVP candidate. He has a dunk of the week all the time on the highlight reels.

...But is he a SUPERSTAR?

He's certainly a star but as good as he is, I have trouble calling him a super star.

In addition to playing ability, a superstar is someone who can walk into a filming of Oprah and everyone (non-traditional sports fans) knows who they are.

There are only 4 superstars in my mind right now. Kobe. LeBron. Dwyane Wade and Shaquille O'Neal.

While Shaq hasn't been a superstar in playing ability for many seasons, he IS one of the few guys who anyone would know.

Tim Duncan, in my mind has never nor will ever be a superstar. He won 4 rings, great. No one knows who he is (outside of sports fanatic), but people DO know Kobe, LeBron, Wade and Shaq.

(Kevin Garnett is very similar. A great, great, great player...but no one knows who he is. When he was on Letterman he sat on the crappy second seat and Ray Allen had the seat next to Dave).

Whenever the Spurs were in the Finals the ratings the ratings were the lowest in the history of the game.

No one wants to watch Tim Duncan. That's just the cold hard facts. The only fun in the Big Fundamental are the first 3 words in fundamental. And it's mental to think he's a superstar or ever WILL be a superstar.

Duncan and Garnett are known worldwide. Garnett has one of the top sellng jerseys worldwide. Noah sells more jerseys than Rose overseas. But, that was BEFORE this season.

Kobe is a global icon. That is another level from a superstar. Same with Lebron and Shaq. But Garnett has been an NBA superstar for a while now, Duncan is highly respected, but he shuns the spotlight. All he does is win titles and MVPs, he doesn't seek notoriety, he seeks greatness.

When they call Rose a superstar, they mean he is one of the top players in the game. Joe Johnson is a star, Rose is a superstar. They are talking about skill and the player's standing in the game.

 

[pinkizdead]

you know, my cousin came over from abroad. I had to explain to him who MJ was. it was a surreal experience.

 

[Steve Breakfast Styleham]

If Tim Duncan or Kevin Garnett walk into a filming of Oprah and their names aren't announced every single person in that audience is going to erupt in applause, chanting their names?

If either one of those guys walked into a room filled with non-sports fans they'll notice they're freakishly tall human beings but NO ONE will know who they are.

The same is true for Derrick Rose. Even in Chicago, those women aren't going to know who that is, if Rose came walking in. He looks more like a musician than a jock. He's going to be confused as a solo artist.

Duncan and Garnett are known worldwide. Garnett has one of the top sellng jerseys worldwide. Noah sells more jerseys than Rose overseas. But, that was BEFORE this season.

Kobe is a global icon. That is another level from a superstar. Same with Lebron and Shaq. But Garnett has been an NBA superstar for a while now, Duncan is highly respected, but he shuns the spotlight. All he does is win titles and MVPs, he doesn't seek notoriety, he seeks greatness.

When they call Rose a superstar, they mean he is one of the top players in the game. Joe Johnson is a star, Rose is a superstar. They are talking about skill and the player's standing in the game.

 

[Steve Breakfast Styleham]

Jordan and Barkley are superstars.

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[Steve Breakfast Styleham]

Was Gilbert Arenas a superstar when he was averaging 28...29 points a game 3 or 4 years consecutively?

With superior stats Arenas another (like Rose, Duncan, Garnett) who was a nice player but not a SUPER star.

When I think superstar I think of Michael Jordan. Charles Barkley. Shaquille O'Neal. LeBron James. Kobe Bryant. Dwyane Wade.

Derrick Rose is not on that level yet of the finest players in the history of the sport.

 

[Bullsman24]

those are global icons. derrick rose is an "NBA Superstar." players like kobe and jordan are "worldwide icons" like david beckham. no one can tell you anything about his soccer game in america, but he's a pop culture icon.

by your definition, MJ Kobe and Shaq would be the only three superstars in NBA history. probably not even bird or magic, they didn't achieve any kind of world status because jordan globalized the game.

 

[TopekaRoy]

Bullsman, I like how you make the Distinction that Rose is an "NBA Superstar." That feels about right. He hasn't achieved pop culture superstar status ... yet. But I think he will.

I don't know if he will ever be a "global Icon." I like to think he could be the next Michael Jordan, but that's a pretty tough hill to climb.

 

[Bullsman24]

i don't think he has the personality. global superstars need to have the mindset of "i'm the best thing ever" and then needs to have the ability to back it up. plus rose has a kinda boring personality. jordan and kobe were unstable which made them interesting and shaq is funny which made him popular. i don't think he will be but it has nothing to do with his ability.

 

[houheffna]

If Tim Duncan or Kevin Garnett walk into a filming of Oprah and their names aren't announced every single person in that audience is going to erupt in applause, chanting their names?

If either one of those guys walked into a room filled with non-sports fans they'll notice they're freakishly tall human beings but NO ONE will know who they are.

The same is true for Derrick Rose. Even in Chicago, those women aren't going to know who that is, if Rose came walking in. He looks more like a musician than a jock. He's going to be confused as a solo artist.

According to yourdictionary.com...a superstar is: a very prominent performer, as in sports or the entertainment industry, often one considered to have exceptional skill and talent.

Yeah, Rose is a superstar, he is one of the best in the league right now. That is what they mean, they are not talking about Q ratings...you have the definition confused brother...

 

[Steve Breakfast Styleham]

No, LeBron and Wade are also those kind of guys whose ability AND following cry "Superstar!"

More people know Bird and Magic than you realize. They owned the 80's. While they're certainly not as seen as they were in those days, they are a LOT more known and recognizable than Derrick Rose who NO ONE outside the basketball fans knows.

those are global icons. derrick rose is an "NBA Superstar." players like kobe and jordan are "worldwide icons" like david beckham. no one can tell you anything about his soccer game in america, but he's a pop culture icon.

by your definition, MJ Kobe and Shaq would be the only three superstars in NBA history. probably not even bird or magic, they didn't achieve any kind of world status because jordan globalized the game.

 

[Steve Breakfast Styleham]

Your opinion disgusts me.

So Gilbert Areneas was a superstar 5 years ago? He was better then than Rose is now...

I just raise this question because it bothers me in the world how suddenly EVERYONE is a celebrity (thanks to reality tv shows...I don't care who the 4th contestant on American Idol was...seriously...), how EVERYTHING is considered a sport (spelling bee on ESPN) and how if you average 10 points a game these days you're an All-Star (i.e. Rajon Rondo).

I went to a game one time in Phoenix and Tim Kempton was introduced as "a Suns legend." ...Tim Kempton scored 0.2 points a game and couldn't even jump over a bench in Philadelphia.

Just because a guy makes the plays of the week and scores 23 a game doesn't mean hes a superstar.

How many times has he been deep in the playoffs? How many finals appearances has he made? How many All-Star appearances has he made (how can a guy with ONE All-Star appearance BE a Super Star!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!??!??!??!?!??!?!)

Derrick Rose, in my humble opinion has what it takes to BE a superstar, but at the moment is just a star.

According to yourdictionary.com...a superstar is: a very prominent performer, as in sports or the entertainment industry, often one considered to have exceptional skill and talent.

Yeah, Rose is a superstar, he is one of the best in the league right now. That is what they mean, they are not talking about Q ratings...you have the definition confused brother...

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

depends on your definition really..

 

[pinkizdead]

his definition of superstar is a player that's in the public eye. I think it has more to do with marketability. Rose has a lot of that. he's in a big market. he's a good player. He's not ugly. (Lets face it, even if reggie evan's had talent; no one would have given him an endorsement deal).

 

[pinkizdead]

http://blogs.thescore.com.s3.amazonaws.com/tbj/files/2011/02/reggie-evans-smile-300x180.jpg I mean do you want to see that guy doing an ad for you? I'm afraid to let him near children.

 

[houheffna]

Your opinion disgusts me.

So Gilbert Areneas was a superstar 5 years ago? He was better then than Rose is now...

I just raise this question because it bothers me in the world how suddenly EVERYONE is a celebrity (thanks to reality tv shows...I don't care who the 4th contestant on American Idol was...seriously...), how EVERYTHING is considered a sport (spelling bee on ESPN) and how if you average 10 points a game these days you're an All-Star (i.e. Rajon Rondo).

I went to a game one time in Phoenix and Tim Kempton was introduced as "a Suns legend." ...Tim Kempton scored 0.2 points a game and couldn't even jump over a bench in Philadelphia.

Just because a guy makes the plays of the week and scores 23 a game doesn't mean hes a superstar.

How many times has he been deep in the playoffs? How many finals appearances has he made? How many All-Star appearances has he made (how can a guy with ONE All-Star appearance BE a Super Star!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!??!??!??!?!??!?!)

Derrick Rose, in my humble opinion has what it takes to BE a superstar, but at the moment is just a star.

It would help if you watch a damn game with Rose in it...unfortunately, I don't think you have a firm grasp of reality, so trying to help you learn basketball is futile and time wasting.

Someone like you, who has several aliases on one damn forum making the same idiotic statements questions others thirst for attention? GTFOH with that nonsense!!!

What the hell does reality television have to do with Derrick Rose? He plays basketball. Yao Ming is a superstar, how man allstar appearances? How far has he gotten in the playoffs? Blake Griffin is pretty much a superstar...he hasn't played a full season yet.

Better yet...here is what you do...go to google.com and do a search on "Derrick Rose Superstar". Everybody from sports columnists to gossip sites for women call him a superstar. Is he on the same level as Lebron...no, but who said Lebron is the low bar for superstardom? He is global!

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Most pointless, obnoxious thread ever. The word "star" and "superstars" are subjective anyway. Why be a troll in here and create topics just to annoy Bulls' fans?

 

[sicko]

Emerging Superstar!

Relax fellow Bulls Fans...some of you seem to be so stuck on trying to convince the world that Rose is the best player in the NBA NOW and NOBODY IS BETTER!

Rose is not a finished product yet, he is still...EMERGING, he is still getting better

Also You become a SUPERSTAR in the POST SEASON not the REGULAR SEASON!

 

[BigP50]

Derrick Rose is arguably the best PG in the NBA, an all-star, is one of the top scorers in the NBA and an MVP Candidate, there is no way that he isn't a super star.

 

[Steve Breakfast Styleham]

Makes me think of Popeye Jones. He averaged a 10 and 10 one year but no one knew it because he's ugly.

If he played today he'd be an 8 time all-star.

http://blogs.thescore.com.s3.amazonaws.com/tbj/files/2011/02/reggie-evans-smile-300x180.jpg I mean do you want to see that guy doing an ad for you? I'm afraid to let him near children.