Is Derrick Rose the best Finisher in the Game?

[X]

Make your arguments here.

Personally, I think it is D-Rose. The dude seems to perform better w/ more pressure on the line.

We know it's not LeBron, but Wade should get a look, and Kobe and Dirk are always in this list somewhere.


Discuss.

 

[Gunzaan]

There is no one who even comes close.... this regular season. I want to see it in the playoffs before I say he is in Wade's class. And then when he does it a few times in the playoffs, I will say he is in Kobe's class. That is just how it goes.

To prove my point, I will put Rose in Dirk's class. So far, regular season finishers. And before you hate, I love D-Rose and this season has been un-****ing-believable, but let's see temper our over-the-top joy.

Playoff success = Bragging rights.

 

[Crystallas]

He has his legs at the end of the game, and he can blow by everyone. That ability alone makes for a great argument to why hes the best at finishing games. Although I still think Melo and Kobe have more in their arsenal for finishing games. I don't expect someone his age to compete with Kobe, because Bryant plays the technical game far better(in many cases it's known as flopping) and I hate that part of the NBA, but since it's not being called, you can't hate the player for it, just the refs.

Rose in my book is a very close #2. If and after he wins the MVP this year, I expect him to get 3-4 more trips to the line per game next year. He will be the best finisher if he keeps up this pace, maybe an argument for one of the best regular season finishers of all-time if he doesn't lose any of his speed and quickness for 6-8 years.

 

[houheffna]

Kobe, Dirk, Billups, Melo are all better options just from what I have been able to see. Rose and Westbrook are about the same in that category...the stats are scary in comparison.

 

[X]

Kobe, Dirk, Billups, Melo are all better options just from what I have been able to see. Rose and Westbrook are about the same in that category...the stats are scary in comparison.

As far as finishers Rose and Westy are in the same category?

I'm not disagreeing, but I've never really seen Westy take the last shot in a game, or independently lead his team down the stretch...it's always been Durantula...

But I'll admit, I haven't seen many Thunder games.

 

[Anytime23]

Westbrook cannot be compared with Rose in terms of closing because he doesnt do it as often as Rose. That other guy on the Thunder does, the one that scored about 27PPG.

Im not ready to call Rose the best closer yet but this recent stretch hes been on gives him a case to build on. We know LeBrons not the best closer in the game but when he gets aggressive, it looks effortless. Just his athletic ability makes so so easy to get to the rim, draw the foul and finish. I dont think hes there mentally though.

Ive seen countless Wade games over his career and i would put him as the best. Problem is that his teams have been so mediocre or bad half the time that theres not a whole lot of games to close. When you look at a Kobe Bryant team that wins 55+ games a season, you get to see it often.

But man lately Rose has been on a tear. Im finally watching last nights game and im amazed at how he's been able to draw fouls lately. Right now Rose just may very well be the best closer but overall, i cant put him over guys like Kobe, Wade and Melo who have been doing it for years. But to have him in the same sentence with those guys says something, even if this is a fans opinion. Im happy that we finally have a guy who game is versatile and can close games. A 22 year old soon to be MVP, we are blessed.

 

[houheffna]

Westbrook cannot be compared with Rose in terms of closing because he doesnt do it as often as Rose. That other guy on the Thunder does, the one that scored about 27PPG.

Im not ready to call Rose the best closer yet but this recent stretch hes been on gives him a case to build on. We know LeBrons not the best closer in the game but when he gets aggressive, it looks effortless. Just his athletic ability makes so so easy to get to the rim, draw the foul and finish. I dont think hes there mentally though.

Ive seen countless Wade games over his career and i would put him as the best. Problem is that his teams have been so mediocre or bad half the time that theres not a whole lot of games to close. When you look at a Kobe Bryant team that wins 55+ games a season, you get to see it often.

But man lately Rose has been on a tear. Im finally watching last nights game and im amazed at how he's been able to draw fouls lately. Right now Rose just may very well be the best closer but overall, i cant put him over guys like Kobe, Wade and Melo who have been doing it for years. But to have him in the same sentence with those guys says something, even if this is a fans opinion. Im happy that we finally have a guy who game is versatile and can close games. A 22 year old soon to be MVP, we are blessed.

Wade has been abysmal this year in the clutch.

What is your definition of clutch? Last minute? Last 30 seconds?

Why is it that two point guards can't be compared to each other? Westbrook has taken MORE shots this season than Durant in the clutch. Westbrook handles the ball as much as Rose does...because they are point guards. What they do with the ball decides how clutch they are, a winning pass is just as important as a winning shot.

 

[waldo7239117]

I would like my clutch guy to take over the game when it's in more need. Not just making the last shot under a min to win the game. Rose is not the guy that will make the clutch jumper but he'll get to the basket when in most need. Just with that, I think he has to be up there.

 

[Anytime23]

Wade has been abysmal this year in the clutch.

What is your definition of clutch? Last minute? Last 30 seconds?

Why is it that two point guards can't be compared to each other? Westbrook has taken MORE shots this season than Durant in the clutch. Westbrook handles the ball as much as Rose does...because they are point guards. What they do with the ball decides how clutch they are, a winning pass is just as important as a winning shot.

Idk why you mention Wade this year when in my post i said i dont put Rose at the top because it is only 1 year. 1 season doesnt define a player. Also to say Wade has been abysmal is simply a lie.

Id say the clutch is the last minute but i guess it depends on the situation late in games. Maybe its that last possession. But when i talk about finishing a game(which is in the thread title) im talking about that critical stretch at the end of games to close teams out. Not the last couple possessions.

Two PGs can be compared to each other but its an unfair comparison to compare one guy who is without a doubt the go to guy at the end of games, to a guy who more often than not isnt. Youre saying Westbrook took more shots than durant in the clutch, i dont believe that and again, im talking about late in games overall. Not just the last 30 seconds. Again, finishing games to me isnt the same as being clutch.

 

[X]

I would like my clutch guy to take over the game when it's in more need. Not just making the last shot under a min to win the game. Rose is not the guy that will make the clutch jumper but he'll get to the basket when in most need. Just with that, I think he has to be up there.

100% disagree w/ the bolded part. I think his ability to his the last second shot is what puts him in the conversation.

 

[waldo7239117]

100% disagree w/ the bolded part. I think his ability to his the last second shot is what puts him in the conversation.

I really haven't seen him in the last sec shot in the clutch. I have seen just misses but I have seen him all the time drive to the basket in last seconds and make the shot.

 

[nwfisch]

Right now, it's hard to say whose better than Derrick Rose.
Obviously Wade, James, Durant, Nowitzki, and Bryant have more experience and more success in the clutch.

Rose's age makes him the scariest, because he has legs at the end of games, as mentioned earlier by Crystallas.

Not only does Derrick Rose make shots in the clutch, but he and the guys mentioned above are run stoppers in the middle of the games, so they can close out the game for their teams.

Hopefully Rose can close in the playoffs like he's done all regular season, so there's no argument for whose the best right now.

 

[houheffna]

Okay, I just found this on 82games.com...


Sortable NBA Player Clutch stats

For the most part, it proves my points...

 

[nwfisch]

Okay, I just found this on 82games.com...


Sortable NBA Player Clutch stats

For the most part, it proves my points...

That's great...but it hasn't been updated yet for this season.

 

[houheffna]

That's great...but it hasn't been updated yet for this season.

Yes it has...look at each players individual stats and they are updated the same as the table...

Unless you think the website knew Lebron was going to Miami...

 

[nwfisch]

Yes it has...look at each players individual stats and they are updated the same as the table...

Unless you think the website knew Lebron was going to Miami...

They do appear to be updated. My apologies.

It says Mo Williams is still in Cleveland, and Melo is still with Denver. Those things and and the site saying their last update was in April of 2010. Appeared confusing.

You were right about Westbrook and how close is numbers are with Rose.

I'd like to see Westbrook be the vocal point of a team's defensive game plan for once.

 

[houheffna]

I think it depends on what he can do in the clutch. I believe because he is a similar player, he might have the same results. As far as playing with others...I don't think that matters. Kobe established himself as a clutch player while playing with Shaq, who was another player who excelled in the clutch.

 

[Anytime23]

Neither team ahead by more than 5 points kind of ruins these stats IMO. 4 min left and a team is down by 6, someone hits a 3 and its a 1 possession game but does that not count?

For someone who always claims to "see the games with his own eyes" in comparison to the rest of us who watch them with something else, you do like using stats alot. From what ive seen, Durant for the majority of the time is the go to guy in late game situations. Eyes test, dont just talk about it, do it.

Also these stats can be skewed because of games played.

 

[clonetrooper264]

IMO Rose can't be called the best finisher until he's playoff proven. He's been a pretty good closer thus far, but playoffs change everything. Hopefully one day we can call Rose the best finisher, but for now that goes to someone else.

 

[TopekaRoy]

Okay, I just found this on 82games.com...


Sortable NBA Player Clutch stats

For the most part, it proves my points...

That chart is sorted by total points. Rose is ranked 7th because of a large discrepancy in free throws. That is, Rose is not getting the foul calls most players above him are getting. If you sort by just field goal average, Rose is 2nd (37.3) just behind Kobe (37.5) and James (who is 2nd in your chart) drops all the way to 10th. Either way Kobe is first (in both charts) so I would say he is the best finisher.

Hou's chart - resorted

I'm not minimizing the importance of free throws. A point is still a point, but Rose is very good at making the last minute shot, Whereas a player like James is much better at running into people and drawing the foul. I put more emphasis on the former than the latter. I would rather have the ball in the hands of a guy who can make the clutch shot than have to rely on the other team to foul him. Of course, if James doesn't get fouled he probably just dunks the ball and gets the points anyway, but we don't know that for sure.