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Um, not even close. Kobe pwns everyone's ass.
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Definitely D-Rose, I have no doubt.
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Well, for someone who claims to have seen these players play, you sure were OFF in your assessments, weren't you???
That is the point. I had to use stats to back up what I said because you called my statements lies. I DO believe in the eye test...if you actually watch them play, if you don't, how can you call what someone else says a lie? Another gentleman disagreed with my statement but admitted he didn't watch many Thunder games, I have watched a few myself. Durant is the go to guy, so to speak, but Westbrook has his share of shots too. Which is the point.
And games played doesn't skew much of anything in this situation because all parties have played a large sum of time in the clutch. The sample size congruent enough that a comparison can be made...and no, Rose is NOT the best clutch player in basketball. Stats show him willing and able to take the shot, which speaks of him being "clutch" because players shy away at times in pressure situations. But Rose is not a better clutch shooter than some of the other clutch performers in the league this year. Kobe, Dirk and others have developed reputations, but stats back that up. With the exception of Lebron, who has had a subpar year, the leaders are fairly consistent year after year. Wade has been abysmal this year in the clutch. And the last 5 minutes of a game with a 5 point difference is a fairly accurate definition of clutch to me.
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Hou.. just curious about your response to this. I have a feeling that the importance of a free throw will be greatly over valued.
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If you want a better idea as to how good Lebron is at finishing, it will show in his previous years with Cleveland, he was arguably the best closer in the league according to those stats. I looked at every stat on the board, and no matter how you look at it, Rose is not the best closer in the league.
I apologize if it appeared that one stat is the deciding factor. Which stats you favor as more important is up to you. I would like to hear your input as to which stats would be more indicative of who the best is...its definitely up for translation and I am learning more and more about these stats as I go...
Efficiency is what I look at more than anything. Rose is shooting under 38% in the clutch as they show it. That is not high at all, the free throws were not something I focused on, the total points was the default stat column the site uses, not me.
Of the top 10 scorers, Rose is the worse in efficiency. In the top 20 scorers in the clutch according to this stat sheet, only Wade is worse (which validates my claim that Wade's clutch performance this year is abysmal). Rose's willingness to take the shot is obvious when field goal attempts are counted, he is amongst the leaders. He is not as efficient however.
I wish I could find some stats on how clutch the Bulls are defensively...that would be interesting
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You went on to write all of that nonsense when I clearly said that a players career should be judged, not one season. If we're going by season why not just go by this week and say Rose is the best. Call wades season abysmal and post up your stat sheets Mr. Knowitall. I stick by my statements because I've seem what wade has done not only this season but for his career, many times in person and on TV. I don't see why your stat sheet proved all of my assessments wrong(despite me telling you I won't judge based on this season alone). You just read want you want and being the contrarian you are look for something to jump at. Oh but don't worry, then you'll go on the barbershop and whine to your friend(who sounds as clueless as any) about how Everyones out to get you. Whhaaaaaa they say I'm Lebrons loverboy whaaaa I'm not a contrarian.
Guys on the bullspodcasters forum say it's worthless to debate with you, guys on here say it as well. Everyone can't be wrong about your high horse attitude.
Guys on the bullspodcasters forum say it's worthless to debate with you, guys on here say it as well. Everyone can't be wrong about your high horse attitude.
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dude has shown to be a great finisher, especially this season. yes, i think he is the best finisher.
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Let me get this straight....
A question was asked on the forum...I answer said question...you disagree based on your limited knowledge of the league...I prove you wrong....and now you are having a hissy fit...do your thing bruh....I was cordial, and when you made statements calling me a liar and denouncing what I said because it doesn't live up to your fairy tales, you got angry...so what?
This is why you don't like Thonus...too much truth might rain on your parade....
And why bring E.J. up as someone that is clueless? He is not a part of this conversation...I mean, when I bring up in conversation dudes that act like pussies..."anytime 23 from chitownsports.com" never comes up. Though believe me, you act like a throbbing, wet pussy at times.
Now if you don't like what I have to say...so what? Not a damn thing you can do about it...you can join Dick2Keva and push the ignore button. But I rarely if ever become belligerent with anyone who doesn't get that way with me first. Its your call, all I did was speak the truth...
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I'd still give it to Kobe Bryant. And in a game-winning shot situation, I would personally probably rather have Durant or Carmelo Anthony taking the shot.
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Melo for a shot, me personally
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but when the other teams go a run DRose is the run stopper!
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Rose's willingness to take those shots is HUGE...he is not afraid...he will become a great clutch player if he continues to progress. I think right now, its about knowing when to pass the ball, who to pass it to and when to go for the shot. Once he makes better decisions in that area, he will instantly become more efficient and more deadly.