Is this a case of the Bulls standing pat, or.....

[Glide2keva]

Or is it that other teams don't want to deal with them and other players not wanting to play here?

Granted the FA period is only a few days old, but it doesn't seem like anything is going on for the Bulls. All we ever hear are rumors that they are interested, but nothing solid in the realm of them trading, or signing anyone.

Meanwhile, teams are getting better around the Bulls and they aren't doing anything to stem the tide.

Or is it really just a case of the team not being a top destination? We see teams use the Bulls as leverage (Kobe, Caron Butler, etc.), or string the team along (Wade, Bosh), or flat out say they don't want to come here (Howard).

So which is it? Is one one or both?

 

[nwfisch]

I don't think they're standing pat, I just don't think they're being reasonable in their demands. Kirk Hinrich probably isn't going to sign for $3M, and other players as well.

 

[JP Hochbaum]

I think players see this team as having a lost year. Which is probably the case, yeah we could squeeze into the playoffs but no way do we do anything when we get there.

 

[Glide2keva]

I think players see this team as having a lost year. Which is probably the case, yeah we could squeeze into the playoffs but no way do we do anything when we get there.

I want to believe this too.

But it's just seeming like they are always content to not make a splash and let other teams snatch the good players and we get trotted out guys like Pargo and JL3.

 

[JP Hochbaum]

I want to believe this too.

But it's just seeming like they are always content to not make a splash and let other teams snatch the good players and we get trotted out guys like Pargo and JL3.

Well we can't make a splash. IN 2014 we can if we amnesty Boozer and let go of Deng (frees up 30 mil).

We will have the base of Rose, Noah, Mirotic, and the Charlotte pic as trade bait.

I think 2014 is the year we lure 2 guys here. I wonder who is up at that time?

 

[whitesoxman77]

I often wonder why Chicago is not seen as a desirable destination, we have a historic franchise, a great building, outstanding fans & support, and a large market to garner both advertising deals and for players to venture into other things outside of baketball after their careers, yet no players say they want to come here.

And if their reasoning is, "I dont want to play second fiddle to Rose" like Howard's excuse, well in Brooklyn you'll play 2nd fiddle to D-Will, in LA Kobe and/or Paul, in New York Anthony, in Dallas Dirk. No current free agent in my eyes will instantly become a savior in any big market franchise because all the big market franchises already seem to have that franchise player, Howard however doesn't want to be seen as a missing piece, which is how these big market teams view him

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Blame Jerry Reinsdorf for choosing Krause over Jackson and Jordan.

 

[ChitwnRyan60452]

Don't forget about the league-wide conspiracy against the Bulls. It's not a case of stnding pat, it's a case of John Paxson not having any testicles.

 

[JosMin]

It's a case of us having zero cap space, zero roster flexibility and an unwillingness to take a risk and trade one of the "core guys" in Noah or Deng. I made an in-depth post on what the Bulls could look to do in the Dwight Howard thread. If you want to see how I feel on what the Bulls should do, just look at that.

And with all the Courtney Lee talks, I just hope that isn't our crowning roster move of 2012. He'd be a nice addition, but thinking he'll get us to the next level is just silly.

 

[Diddy1122]

It's a case of us having zero cap space, zero roster flexibility and an unwillingness to take a risk and trade one of the "core guys" in Noah or Deng. I made an in-depth post on what the Bulls could look to do in the Dwight Howard thread. If you want to see how I feel on what the Bulls should do, just look at that.

And with all the Courtney Lee talks, I just hope that isn't our crowning roster move of 2012. He'd be a nice addition, but thinking he'll get us to the next level is just silly.

Agree with this. I don't think anyone feels Lee will take us to the next level, but he would be a good pickup regardless, considering what the FO has to work with $$ wise. This team needs good shooters around Rose. He fits that bill, plus his D is solid.

It's not a matter of FA not wanting to come here. It's not even a matter of the FO standing pat. Our current payroll situation has prevented us from making major moves this offseason. People need to come to grips with that & stop bitching about every single FA who goes somewhere else.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

Agree with this. I don't think anyone feels Lee will take us to the next level, but he would be a good pickup regardless, considering what the FO has to work with $$ wise. This team needs good shooters around Rose. He fits that bill, plus his D is solid.

It's not a matter of FA not wanting to come here. It's not even a matter of the FO standing pat. Our current payroll situation has prevented us from making major moves this offseason. People need to come to grips with that & stop bitching about every single FA who goes somewhere else.

yep, the bulls have contracts that are cuffing them(deng,boozer,noah)

and there aren't really any current talks for trading any of those 3

Is it FO reluctance, or lack of other team's interest? probably both

but there isn't a lot of flexibility here...the bulls can't make many moves independent of moving players from the roster

no, lee wouldn't be the difference, but he would be a step further

 

[nwfisch]

yep, the bulls have contracts that are cuffing them(deng,boozer,noah)

and there aren't really any current talks for trading any of those 3

Is it FO reluctance, or lack of other team's interest? probably both

but there isn't a lot of flexibility here...the bulls can't make many moves independent of moving players from the roster

no, lee wouldn't be the difference, but he would be a step further

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[Crystallas]

I don't like putting too much pressure on the FO to make moves(just to say that we made a big move). The last time, was a desperation signing that landed us Boozer. :shrug: But if they weren't like us, and I truly believed they didn't want to improve this team, then yeah, pressure it up.

Boozer was seriously overhyped as a target, BY THE FANS, before we signed him. He was supposed to fix our post presence needs, according to the overwhelming amount of fans that wanted him. :fist:

 

[ChettheJet]

yep, the bulls have contracts that are cuffing them(deng,boozer,noah)

and there aren't really any current talks for trading any of those 3

Is it FO reluctance, or lack of other team's interest? probably both

but there isn't a lot of flexibility here...the bulls can't make many moves independent of moving players from the roster

no, lee wouldn't be the difference, but he would be a step further

The Bulls are not handcuffed by having what they see as their core players signed in staggered contracts. If they wanted to trade Noah they could, other teams would be lining up to have him. Look at what Houston offered for Asik who is a fraction of the player Noah is.

I think the Bulls have a far better long term method of running their franchise than most. They don't gamble long term money on questionable personalities. They learned from drafting Tyrus Thomas. I don't know why people don't pay attention when they draft and sign players from winning programs with character. Because they then lower the risk of having to dump idiots for a price, they keep a stable roster that wins games and don't fall back into the lottery every few years because they need to rebuild. That's the path people online seem to want. Risk everything to win THIS YEAR and when it doesn't work break it all up and start over. You don't have one the top valued franchises in the NBA like the Bulls doing that. You end up losing money and having to sell the team.

Twice they've gone for the BIG name FAs and ended up with Brad Miller and Ron Mercer the one time and the last time Carlos Boozer. It's not a good plan to keep trying.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

The Bulls are not handcuffed by having what they see as their core players signed in staggered contracts. If they wanted to trade Noah they could, other teams would be lining up to have him. Look at what Houston offered for Asik who is a fraction of the player Noah is.

that's the point..there is a bit of reluctance to trade noah,first of all, because of all the positives that he has as an asset of the team(youth,defense,passing,intangibles,etc.)..but at the same time, because he is a solid center, he has a large contract

deng and boozer play a bit under their contract, and this makes them not as attractive

so yes they are a bit cuffed.....

now if they find a suitor for boozer or deng, then that might help

but i think you have to find a medium between getting pressured into a desperate trade and not doing anything at all

boozer and deng will be more attractive in a couple of years when their contracts are near expiration

Twice they've gone for the BIG name FAs and ended up with Brad Miller and Ron Mercer the one time and the last time Carlos Boozer. It's not a good plan to keep trying.

then what is the plan?

 

[clonetrooper264]

I honestly think a lot of it is that no one wants to come here. You hear about guys being willing to take pay cuts to play elsewhere like Miami, LA, Boston, etc...but NEVER here. We're hardly on anyone list. And those whose list we're on isn't very promising. I understand that the financial situation limits who we can target, but if Ray Allen said hey I'll play in Chicago for $3M I'd actually be surprised. I would not be surprised if he said I'll play in Miami for $3M (or less).

 

[Glide2keva]

Well we can't make a splash. IN 2014 we can if we amnesty Boozer and let go of Deng (frees up 30 mil).

We will have the base of Rose, Noah, Mirotic, and the Charlotte pic as trade bait.

I think 2014 is the year we lure 2 guys here. I wonder who is up at that time?

Um, the Bulls have had chances and money to lure two top FA's ere over the years and never made any of them happen.

Duncan & Hill (early 2000's) fail

Tracy McGrady (When he was T-Mac) fail

Pau Gasol (rumored, but Memphis didn't want to deal) fail

Bosh & Wade (doesn't really count as they had their minds made up from the jump), but we wound up with Boozer.

So I don't have any faith that they will make a splash. Plus on other occasions, they've sat idly by and watched team after team sign or trade for top level players.

 

[Glide2keva]

Agree with this. I don't think anyone feels Lee will take us to the next level, but he would be a good pickup regardless, considering what the FO has to work with $$ wise. This team needs good shooters around Rose. He fits that bill, plus his D is solid.

It's not a matter of FA not wanting to come here. It's not even a matter of the FO standing pat. Our current payroll situation has prevented us from making major moves this off-season. People need to come to grips with that & stop bitching about every single FA who goes somewhere else.

It's not a matter of bitching. This roster is just not going to get it done. That's reality.

It just isn't ready. They have to move one of the big contracts they have because they are strangled if they don't. I get that. But I don't think they are even willing to do that.

That's the part that bothers me.

 

[Glide2keva]

I don't like putting too much pressure on the FO to make moves(just to say that we made a big move). The last time, was a desperation signing that landed us Boozer. :shrug: But if they weren't like us, and I truly believed they didn't want to improve this team, then yeah, pressure it up.

Boozer was seriously overhyped as a target, BY THE FANS, before we signed him. He was supposed to fix our post presence needs, according to the overwhelming amount of fans that wanted him. :fist:

Don't count me in that crowd. One Duke player on the roster was enough.

 

[Diddy1122]

It's not a matter of bitching. This roster is just not going to get it done. That's reality.

It just isn't ready. They have to move one of the big contracts they have because they are strangled if they don't. I get that. But I don't think they are even willing to do that.

That's the part that bothers me.

Weren't you bitching all the time about how people didn't have faith in the Bulls to win this year? Didn't you pick us to win it all? I swear you did.

So Rose goes down & all of the sudden everyone on the roster sucks? People on here are seriously acting like everything is over. We haven't even seen what this current team can do for 2 years now. It's a shame because we probably won't ever since Rose will be out the majority of next year. Of course I think the roster needs improving but I don't think for a second that we couldn't have made the Finals this season & possibly won if Rose was healthy.

*waiting for "you're a " response