Is Tyson Bagent a top 32 QB?

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That's where I got this from. There are definitely more backup journeymen type QBs who are more proven. However, they are nothing to be excited about potential wise. You kinda know what they are. Bagent is still an unknown.

He started in 4 games last year and looked like a backup who shouldnt be starting...what do you mean he is unknown? Literally everyone after watching him plays knows what type of player he is.
 

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He started in 4 games last year and looked like a backup who shouldnt be starting...what do you mean he is unknown? Literally everyone after watching him plays knows what type of player he is.
He was a rookie back up, who should not have had to start last year. lol No kidding. His upside and top level of play is still unknown today. Or you can pretend to know already. Up to you.
 
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List of backup QBs:

Bears - Bagent
Packers - Clifford
Lions - Hooker
Vikings - Darnold (assuming McCarthy is future starter)
Cowboys - Rush / Lance
Giants - DeVito
Commanders - Mariota
Eagles - Pickett
Falcons - Penix
Panthers - Dalton
Saints - Rattler
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Rams - Garoppolo
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Bills - Trubisky
Dolphins - Thompson
Jets - Taylor
Ravens - Johnson
Browns - Winston
Steelers - Wilson / Fields
Bengals - Browning
Titans - Willis
Colts - Flacco
Jaguars - Jones
Texans - Keenum
Chiefs - Wentz
Raiders - Minshew
Chargers - Stick
Broncos - Wilson

There are a handful of young guys as backup like Penix obviously and Rattler and even Trask who have potential. However, most of these are just journeymen who have peaked.
I'll leave the guys who I think are absolutely better than bagent
Minshew is the starter for the Raiders. I'd take Bagent over Aiden O'Connell though.
 

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He was a rookie back up, who should not have had to start last year. lol No kidding. His upside and top level of play is still unknown today. Or you can pretend to know already. Up to you.

The premise behind this thread was if Bagent is better than the worst starting QB...what part of his game makes you think he could be better than the worst starting QB when he isn't even better than maybe half the backups out there. Saying his upside and top level of play is unknown is such a homer statement. In 3 years I look forward to the CCS thread dedicated to Bagent when he is on his 3rd team in a camp battle with Desmond Ridder. Hopefully you will still cape for him saying we still havent seen his top level of play
 

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The premise behind this thread was if Bagent is better than the worst starting QB...what part of his game makes you think he could be better than the worst starting QB when he isn't even better than maybe half the backups out there. Saying his upside and top level of play is unknown is such a homer statement. In 3 years I look forward to the CCS thread dedicated to Bagent when he is on his 3rd team in a camp battle with Desmond Ridder. Hopefully you will still cape for him saying we still havent seen his top level of play
He was a rookie QB thrown to the wolves early in the season. He now has a much better coach, game plan, talent all around him and a little starting experience and 2 full camps. Why do you think he cant get better like everyone else? Where/where did we see him play his best?? I like him as our back up. He may or may not, fail or succeed one day. I don't get why you are pretending to know his future. The coaches like him. They did not go out and get a vet back up did they. They would have if they thought they needed one. PS. I bet he will be a starter one day for a team.
 

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I'll say it again: Bagent's ceiling is a prime Chad Pennington. A better modern comparison might be Gardner Minshew if things continue to progress well for him. He could possibly be a guy who'll cost a GM his job for thinking he can be anything more than a lower-end starter, thus making him a good backup.
 

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He was a rookie QB thrown to the wolves early in the season. He now has a much better coach, game plan, talent all around him and a little starting experience and 2 full camps. Why do you think he cant get better like everyone else? Where/where did we see him play his best?? I like him as our back up. He may or may not, fail or succeed one day. I don't get why you are pretending to know his future. The coaches like him. They did not go out and get a vet back up did they. They would have if they thought they needed one. PS. I bet he will be a starter one day for a team.
Of course this is true. He did well for a rookie from a small school and looks to have improved this year. Nobody know at this point how far he will progress. He could turn into an outstanding starter or stop improving and remain a good backup. I'm sure he wants a chance to compete for a starting role and will move on when his contract ends.
 

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I'll say it again: Bagent's ceiling is a prime Chad Pennington. A better modern comparison might be Gardner Minshew if things continue to progress well for him. He could possibly be a guy who'll cost a GM his job for thinking he can be anything more than a lower-end starter, thus making him a good backup.
It's a guess. Good as any.
 

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He was a rookie QB thrown to the wolves early in the season. He now has a much better coach, game plan, talent all around him and a little starting experience and 2 full camps. Why do you think he cant get better like everyone else? Where/where did we see him play his best?? I like him as our back up. He may or may not, fail or succeed one day. I don't get why you are pretending to know his future. The coaches like him. They did not go out and get a vet back up did they. They would have if they thought they needed one. PS. I bet he will be a starter one day for a team.

Cracks me up that me making a statement of Bagent being a backup at best and I get you whining that he is still an unknown and that the arrow is pointing up for this future starter....but you then say that the coach and game plan is better for him? How is this Waldron offense better than what he worked in last year? Whatever hidden potential you are holding onto with Bagent, what part of Waldron's offense is going to unlock it so he can find himself as a starter for a team? He was a fun story with his arm wrestling dad and he will have a decent career warming the bench for many QB's in the future....but be honest with yourself. he is a back up at best and not even one of the best backups in the league.

And the whole they didn't go out and get a vet backup as some gotcha statement...he is costing the Bears less than $1M this year, in an offseason where they extended multiple players and acquired free agents. Yeah it is weird why they would forego picking up a QB that won't bring as much as Bagent to the table.

Bagent is what he is....he isn't unknown and he sure as hell isn't going to be a Week 1 starter for a team because he outplayed the other QB's on whatever roster he is on. None of us are going to want to see Bagent on the field unless he is taking a knee or the Bears are up by 30 in the middle of the 4th.
 

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