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My gut hurts, but I gotta say #CALLEDIT.
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Yep, I thought it was huge to keep that pitch count under control but
How about striking a out the side in the 9th inning of a no-hitter?
How cool was that?
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Not half as cool as seeing that much jumping around on National TV. Reminded me how sweet the celebration will be when they win it all.
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Best news.....
after a rough 2-4 western road trip, they still lead the last WC spot by 5.5 only losing one game off their lead with 6 more games, 6 more road games burned off the schedule.
after a rough 2-4 western road trip, they still lead the last WC spot by 5.5 only losing one game off their lead with 6 more games, 6 more road games burned off the schedule.
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Well, yeah, that would be the best part.
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As for the race for the CY award? Oh how I wish Zack Greinke gets lit up on his next outting!!
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This is what sports is all about! Go Arrieta and Cubs!
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Zack Greinke has been great, but 20+ wins and a No Hitter will put Jake right there in the race, imo, especially as the leader of a very young team.
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What's hurts though is Greinke's nasty 1.61era.
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Grenke leads with 171.3 CYP to Arreta #2 at 166.5.
Grenke only has his ERA pushing him. SO wins IP all are not leading the league. But it just shows that era Carries the most weight in the equation.
Grenke only has his ERA pushing him. SO wins IP all are not leading the league. But it just shows that era Carries the most weight in the equation.
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This might be the year that a pitcher should be selected as an MVP. It's hard to argue that Arrieta hasn't been a real stopper when the young Cubs could continue a downward slide. Perhaps Greinke wins the CY and Arrieta wins MVP.
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I think you make a very interesting comment. I was looking at the Cubs roster a couple of weeks ago when they were at the end of that winning streak looking for an MVP candidate. I was surprised that none really appeared offensively. Most shocked by Rizzo really. But with you commenting about Aririeta, I think it makes a lot of sense.
Bryce was great, but really, where would the Cubs be without Jake? If I had a vote I think for sure I'd vote Jake as MVP and Zach as Cy. It seems weird but the more I mull it over I think it makes perfect sense too.
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I've never thought about a pitcher being an MVP and generally sided with the argument that the MVP must be an every day player. Watching Arrieta this season has changed my mind.
edit: And that in't a slam on the everyday Cubs. They are very young. Even Rizzo is young to be a team leader. Arrieta's steady presence on the mound stands out to me amongst everyone.
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100%. It's no slight on the offense really. I can think back as a baseball fan (not a Cub fan) and remember some great moments with Bryant, Rizzo, Schwarber, Cogs, Miguel. But those are just moments. When I look back at Jake, I see consistency, tenacity, every fifth day, taking the ball and really running extremely well with it. The Cy Young has a lot of competition for it this season. I won't be shocked by anyone that finishes in the five or six spots behind #1 in the NL this year. Most of those guys would be Cy Young winners in many other recent seasons. But the competition for the NL MVP is not tremendous. Bryce looked like a lock most of the season, but look what's happening with the Nats. On the other hand you got a legit Elite Ace (yes, my terms so any scout purists, relax please) that not only shows up and does his job, but seems to be the one to pull the team when a slide if eminent.
I have no issues with a pitcher being voted MVP. He contributes as much as an every day player does in my breakdown of it.
Yep, I'm rooting for Jake. He deserves it.
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I speculated on exactly this on another site this morning. When at all possible I think the voters like to give it to a position player but as it's shaking down this year that could be difficult for, interestingly enough, completely different reasons than last year. Bryce Harper has the numbers to win it but his team is going to be outside looking in at the playoffs. In order for a player from a non playoff team to win it usually has to be a really singularly outstanding performance and Paul Glodschmidt's numbers aren't that far off from Harper's. They could easily cancel each other out with the voters. Of course they could look to Buster Posey , Andrew McCutchen and Anthony Rizzo but now you're in the territory of comparing those guys with the two pitchers.
The Cy Young race is going to be tighter than most think. Greinke has an absurd ERA at 1.61 but Arrieta's is a none too shabby 2.11 and that could get a bit tighter. Greinke leads Arrieta in WHIP as well .848 to .940 but in most other categories Jake leads. Arietta is more likely to get to 20 wins to satisfy the traditionalists while Greinke actually trails Arrieta in FIP 2.62 to 2.49 which, if that gap remains the same or grows, could provide more statistically inclined voters to also go with Arrieta. Those two blocks together could give him the edge or it could lead to another scenario.
Bottom line for me is if the Cy Young is that ridiculously close, which it very well might be, the writers have an out and can make a legitimate case to give Greinke the Cy Young and Arrieta the MVP. So in a very long winded way I agree with you. I think it could very well go down just like that.
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Well, there are two things that are a certainty. The Cubs would not be anywhere near where they are without Rizzo and Arrieta, both with leadership and presence on the offensive and pitching sides of the equation.
They have been instrumental leaders. To me, it would be tough to vote against either one from the Cubs. They are definitely co-MVP's as far as the Cubs are concerned.
The overall award would be nice to either one of them in the grand scheme of things, but I would take a win in the playoffs and moving forward over an award and getting bounced in that one game playoff, and I am sure being the guys that they are, that they would both agree.