IST: Cubs @ Padres

[CSF77]

I don’t think they will because I don’t think the cubs front office is that stupid. Bryant’s contract will be one that can hamstring a franchise. He’s not worth it. The money he will get paid should be reserved for players like Trout, Yelich, and possibly Betts

Trout is the only hitter in baseball worth 30 mil. It is not even funny anymore.

A legit Ace in his prime is worth 30 mil. That is fact.

 

[zack54attack]

I don’t think they will because I don’t think the cubs front office is that stupid. Bryant’s contract will be one that can hamstring a franchise. He’s not worth it. The money he will get paid should be reserved for players like Trout, Yelich, and possibly Betts

Trout is out of the picture. You aren't getting Yelich and probably won't get Betts. Bryant's contract will be high but the money continues to go up and so do contracts. He's getting a large contract regardless, and then someone else will get an even bigger one. I think he's a guy you keep. Outside of last season with the injury he's been fine, IMO.

 

[zack54attack]

IirC they let Bryant walk they get a 3rd round select. If they trade him they could get 2 top 100. It is no brainier

I always side with taking the proven thing at this point unless it's a full rebuild. Then I agree.

 

[CSF77]

Great, thanks, I really needed to be triggered by long-forgotten contributors to my lifelong Cubs PTSD.

Maybe tomorrow we can relive all 5 of Corey Patterson's tools.

He is an idiot. Theroit was a good hitter. You can't tell from 1 game what Nico is or not. He made 2 nice plays and showed a very short swing. His first hit was ala Castro.

But we need more info to make a real opinion. Idiot likes typing stuff.

 

[CSF77]

I always side with taking the proven thing at this point unless it's a full rebuild. Then I agree.

Every MLBP was a gamble at one point. If you play only sure hands you risk being a other Boston or buy high floor players underpriced like Bote.

I would look to the South side. They sold and got some nice returns. But these decisions are based off of your scouting department. They traded for Wieck and Wick off of the Pads. The SD telecast was like he added a curve let's see. And he wiped out his one guy with it and they shut up.

So when it comes down to evaluation and development of pitching I trust the Cubs more now then ever before.

 

[anotheridiot]

He is an idiot. Theroit was a good hitter. You can't tell from 1 game what Nico is or not. He made 2 nice plays and showed a very short swing. His first hit was ala Castro.

But we need more info to make a real opinion. Idiot likes typing stuff.

yeah, maybe Heyward can play first base.

Lets see. Theriot, small stocky white contact hitter convinced he was a shortstop with no arm. (Do you remember the playoff game when he was on his back at second base and threw a pop up to right field?)

Hoerner, small, stocky white contact hitter, with weak arm.

Castro, tall, lanky Latino line drive hitter, strong enough arm for short, not good at catching the ball.

How in Gods name can I compare similar hitting white guy to a white guy, with similar builds and similar arms and be wrong too.

Maybe lester can play first base.

I just post here to give CSF material, and to break up his posts, otherwise he would just have one post after another and eventually need to quote himself.

 

[CSF77]

yeah, maybe Heyward can play first base.

Lets see. Theriot, small stocky white contact hitter convinced he was a shortstop with no arm. (Do you remember the playoff game when he was on his back at second base and threw a pop up to right field?)

Hoerner, small, stocky white contact hitter, with weak arm.

Castro, tall, lanky Latino line drive hitter, strong enough arm for short, not good at catching the ball.

How in Gods name can I compare similar hitting white guy to a white guy, with similar builds and similar arms and be wrong too.

Maybe lester can play first base.

I just post here to give CSF material, and to break up his posts, otherwise he would just have one post after another and eventually need to quote himself.

So this comp. On white guys. Is this like your comp on Heyward being a great lead off because he is black?

Get back to telling those kids to get off of your lawn.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

Trout is out of the picture. You aren't getting Yelich and probably won't get Betts. Bryant's contract will be high but the money continues to go up and so do contracts. He's getting a large contract regardless, and then someone else will get an even bigger one. I think he's a guy you keep. Outside of last season with the injury he's been fine, IMO.

Well I’m hopeful the front office thinks differently. Overpaying for players that have contributed to the stagnancy of this team is not what is needed. The roster needs to be considerably altered and that doesn’t happen by keeping all the main cogs in a flawed team. Bryant is the clear choice when it comes to the four main players because he is the one that is clearly going to be an albatross with his contractual demands

 

[CSF77]

On the Castro Horner comp. It was more based off of first game action. Both were promoted from AA.

In his first major league at-bat, he hit a home run off of Homer Bailey of the Cincinnati Reds. He became the sixth player in Cubs history and 106th player overall to do so. Later in the game he hit a triple with the bases loaded, setting the record for most runs batted in (RBIs) in a major league debut with six.


I do comps based off of production and skillsets not off of color of skin.

 

[CSF77]

Well I’m hopeful the front office thinks differently. Overpaying for players that have contributed to the stagnancy of this team is not what is needed. The roster needs to be considerably altered and that doesn’t happen by keeping all the main cogs in a flawed team. Bryant is the clear choice when it comes to the four main players because he is the one that is clearly going to be an albatross with his contractual demands

It is far easier to develop a bat than a arm. Add to it pitching is far more likely to end up under the knife.

That is why I said target Cole or Wheeler. Then trade for 2 SP prospects.

Teams that match up

Rays (6) - Prospect Points: 334 (3rd)

1) Wander Franco, SS (2021)
15) Brendan McKay, LHP/DH (2019)
41) Vidal Brujan, 2B/SS (2020)
44) Matthew Liberatore, LHP (2021)
75) Brent Honeywell, RHP (2020)
96) Shane Baz, RHP (2021)

Padres (7) - Prospect Points: 408 (1st)

3) MacKenzie Gore, LHP (2021)
20) Luis Urias, INF (2019)
30) Taylor Trammell, OF (2020)
33) Luis Patiño, RHP (2021)
48) CJ Abrams, SS (2023)
78) Xavier Edwards, 2B/SS (2022)
87) Adrian Morejon, LHP (2019)

(This one is really not a match up IMO unless they move KB to the OF. But he did play college here so he would be a fan fav.). I doubt that they trade Gore also and that would be a requirement)

Twins (5) - Prospect Points: 245 (7th)

7) Royce Lewis, SS (2020)
16) Alex Kirilloff, OF/1B (2020)
58) Brudsar Graterol, RHP (2020)
82) Jordan Balazovic, RHP (2021)
97) Trevor Larnach, OF (2021)

My fav match up. To be honest. They are primed to win and are losing 2 key bats this off-season. They have to pitching talent required to match up.

 

[anotheridiot]

So this comp. On white guys. Is this like your comp on Heyward being a great lead off because he is black?

Get back to telling those kids to get off of your lawn.

When did I ever say Heyward was a great leadoff hitter. You can go hunting, but I dont think I have ever said a good thing about Heyward.

You have trouble seeing what is clearly in front of you. Maybe you were not a fan when The Riot was here. Best nickname ever then the guy became a ******.

 

[CSF77]

When did I ever say Heyward was a great leadoff hitter. You can go hunting, but I dont think I have ever said a good thing about Heyward.

You have trouble seeing what is clearly in front of you. Maybe you were not a fan when The Riot was here. Best nickname ever then the guy became a ******.

He became a Card. And I know you have and challenge accepted.

 

[Parade_Rain]

That's fair. I get that about Boras and it's a legit reason. But it's not like we should rule the Cubs completely out 2 years ahead of this. How many of them went to bigger markets that were willing to pay when the original team wasn't though? That plays a part too. Chicago is a big market. TV deal coming in. They will be able to afford Bryant if they likely wanted to compared to teams like Detroit, Texas, etc.

Arrieta was a Boras client. I'm ruling Bryant completely out.

 

[CSF77]

I wouldn't want to be comped to Det. Over priced fast and no ring. Then V goes to a team that built via draft and wins one based off of self development.

The whole Yankee method is not even practiced by the Yankees anymore. They got financially better by trading for quality youth.

 

[Omeletpants]

I wouldn't want to be comped to Det. Over priced fast and no ring. Then V goes to a team that built via draft and wins one based off of self development.

The whole Yankee method is not even practiced by the Yankees anymore. They got financially better by trading for quality youth.

THE OLD YANKEE METHOD IS REALLY THE RED SOX METHOD

 

[CSF77]

He became a Card. And I know you have and challenge accepted.

Well back tracked to opening day and you really hate Heyward. So ya I don't need to go back further. I know it was said. Must have been choad.

 

[CSF77]

THE OLD YANKEE METHOD IS REALLY THE RED SOX METHOD

Sox were playing catch up to George. That method died with him. His kid likes money more.

But the Red Sox are ruthless. Go over tax and I believe they are at 75% now and lost their farm in a sell off. And ops head gets ass canned for it. Theo came ose to this except he danced around tax. The Zo restricted list to get Kimbrel in was either dumb luck or well engineered.

 

[anotheridiot]

Sox were playing catch up to George. That method died with him. His kid likes money more.

But the Red Sox are ruthless. Go over tax and I believe they are at 75% now and lost their farm in a sell off. And ops head gets ass canned for it. Theo came ose to this except he danced around tax. The Zo restricted list to get Kimbrel in was either dumb luck or well engineered.

Well, the jury is still out whether it was dumb luck or just dumb with Kimbrel.

I know you are an expert on the yankmees, but they just got the marlins to agree to pay 30 of the 295 remaining dollars to stanton, which puts them at 29.5 per year for a guy that might play half a season.

They gave Chapman the richest closer deal, no way they are not paying Judge and Gleybor, and are currently third with a total just 190K or so less than the cubs.

 

[CSF77]

Well, the jury is still out whether it was dumb luck or just dumb with Kimbrel.

I know you are an expert on the yankmees, but they just got the marlins to agree to pay 30 of the 295 remaining dollars to stanton, which puts them at 29.5 per year for a guy that might play half a season.

They gave Chapman the richest closer deal, no way they are not paying Judge and Gleybor, and are currently third with a total just 190K or so less than the cubs.

They have a ways to go before they have to pay the kids. They have some dead weight to shed for sure.

Ellsbury, Jacoby. Resource waste.

Gregorius, Did gone. Torres should end up at SS.
CC gone
Gardner gone.

Betances, Dellin gone (I'm ok if Theo targets him for the 8th)

$164.629 is their commitment. So they are in decent shape. They can add 20-30 mil. This is the team that could go for Cole.

 

[CSF77]

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