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Albert sold that pitch to the ump.

Outside, he takes. and then acts like he made the mistake, and the ump rings him up!

Albert sucks with men on. And it has been that way for months.
 

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Good thing they got tomorrow off..

I think Chavez Edwards Strop Chisek and Kintzler pitched in all 4 of these games..lol

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Allowed 5 runs in 38 innings, and lost two games.

Impossible that we fucked up that top of the 11th. That is Maddon being too damn cute.
 

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Starting pitching was good. Bullpen was great. Split.
 

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Pathetic....
4 solo shots in 38 innings this series
Pitching gives up just 5 runs

Lead back down to 3 games for Div

As far as WC goes
They have 6 teams within 4 games and the 7th (Dodgers) 5.5 back

After tomorrow day off, they play 23 straight games..

After playing Det Cin Mets the next 9 games, theyll play the braves 1 game and 6 out of final 9 series in September against playoff contenders



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Dumb ass Cubs. No fucking offense.
 

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Pathetic....
4 solo shots in 38 innings this series
Pitching gives up just 5 runs

Lead back down to 3 games for Div

As far as WC goes
They have 6 teams within 4 games and the 7th (Dodgers) 5.5 back

After tomorrow day off, they play 23 straight games..

After playing Det Cin Mets the next 9 games, theyll play the braves 1 game and 6 out of final 9 series in September against playoff contenders



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2nd easiest schedule in the NL
 

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Feel like people are underselling the loss of bryant here. That's an MVP caliber bat who's only played in 76 of 123 games this year. Honestly, if you look at this logistically they are a worse team arguably talent wise because of injuries/ineffectiveness than last year but they still have a better record. Last year you had Arrieta who was replaced by Darvish. Last year you had Davis who was replaced by Morrow. Last year you had Lackey instead of I guess Chatwood. And last year Bryant was healthy.

So, I get frustrated when I see people talk about the team being shit. I suppose it's addressing a different point than I am. In other words, I'm saying they are playing well despite some heavy hurdles while others are just saying they want the team to win. But I mean you take close to 10 war off any good team because of injuries and they will look sort of like the cubs.

Honestly, if anything the last few games have made me more hopeful. My biggest playoff worry right now is how the starting pitching is going to hold up if Darvish isn't back and good. But really the starters have looked good recently. The offense has obviously died. But even if Bryant isn't 100% I think there's a chance he is back and 85-90% of Bryant is a big boost. Maddon also seems to think Russell is playing through a finger injury. If they can get in a position to rest him some he was hitting really well before it(.333/.396/.481 135 wRC+ the month prior to getting hurt in detroit). Plus at some point you have to figure Rizzo gets hot.

If you look at the line up, the biggest issue is they have a lot of good players but no one really "carrying" the team. For example if you look at guys between 100-120 wRC+ you have Contreras(112), Schwarber(116), Heyward(104), Rizzo(113), Almora(100), and Happ(108). Baez has cooled some after his scorching hot start at 128. Zobrist has been fantastic at 130. Bryant pre being hurt was 129 and the injury probably sapped some of his value. And Bote has been fantastic in a fill in role at 124. Only guys under 100 are Russell(see injury), La Stella(hitting .279/.355/.316 just doesn't have much power) and Caratini who's your back up C.
 

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^^^^Keep in mind some of those games KB played in he was clearly struggling with shoulder pain and wasn't as effective
 

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Feel like people are underselling the loss of bryant here. That's an MVP caliber bat who's only played in 76 of 123 games this year. Honestly, if you look at this logistically they are a worse team arguably talent wise because of injuries/ineffectiveness than last year but they still have a better record. Last year you had Arrieta who was replaced by Darvish. Last year you had Davis who was replaced by Morrow. Last year you had Lackey instead of I guess Chatwood. And last year Bryant was healthy.

So, I get frustrated when I see people talk about the team being shit. I suppose it's addressing a different point than I am. In other words, I'm saying they are playing well despite some heavy hurdles while others are just saying they want the team to win. But I mean you take close to 10 war off any good team because of injuries and they will look sort of like the cubs.

Honestly, if anything the last few games have made me more hopeful. My biggest playoff worry right now is how the starting pitching is going to hold up if Darvish isn't back and good. But really the starters have looked good recently. The offense has obviously died. But even if Bryant isn't 100% I think there's a chance he is back and 85-90% of Bryant is a big boost. Maddon also seems to think Russell is playing through a finger injury. If they can get in a position to rest him some he was hitting really well before it(.333/.396/.481 135 wRC+ the month prior to getting hurt in detroit). Plus at some point you have to figure Rizzo gets hot.

If you look at the line up, the biggest issue is they have a lot of good players but no one really "carrying" the team. For example if you look at guys between 100-120 wRC+ you have Contreras(112), Schwarber(116), Heyward(104), Rizzo(113), Almora(100), and Happ(108). Baez has cooled some after his scorching hot start at 128. Zobrist has been fantastic at 130. Bryant pre being hurt was 129 and the injury probably sapped some of his value. And Bote has been fantastic in a fill in role at 124. Only guys under 100 are Russell(see injury), La Stella(hitting .279/.355/.316 just doesn't have much power) and Caratini who's your back up C.


One of the best descriptors of what's going on in our fanbase this year was this; Cubs fans act like the team is having the Nationals' season. Both teams have had injuries, both teams have had pitching woes, but the Cubs have overcome that to the tune of 19 games over .500. The Nats are two below. This isn't a team on a magic carpet ride type of season, it's also not a bad or even mediocre team. It's a team that will need to really on a little luck and all the elements of the game getting hot at the same time to get to a World Series. It may or may not happen.

Oh, and absolutely they miss Kris Bryant.
 

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Feel like people are underselling the loss of bryant here. That's an MVP caliber bat who's only played in 76 of 123 games this year. Honestly, if you look at this logistically they are a worse team arguably talent wise because of injuries/ineffectiveness than last year but they still have a better record. Last year you had Arrieta who was replaced by Darvish. Last year you had Davis who was replaced by Morrow. Last year you had Lackey instead of I guess Chatwood. And last year Bryant was healthy.

So, I get frustrated when I see people talk about the team being shit. I suppose it's addressing a different point than I am. In other words, I'm saying they are playing well despite some heavy hurdles while others are just saying they want the team to win. But I mean you take close to 10 war off any good team because of injuries and they will look sort of like the cubs.

Honestly, if anything the last few games have made me more hopeful. My biggest playoff worry right now is how the starting pitching is going to hold up if Darvish isn't back and good. But really the starters have looked good recently. The offense has obviously died. But even if Bryant isn't 100% I think there's a chance he is back and 85-90% of Bryant is a big boost. Maddon also seems to think Russell is playing through a finger injury. If they can get in a position to rest him some he was hitting really well before it(.333/.396/.481 135 wRC+ the month prior to getting hurt in detroit). Plus at some point you have to figure Rizzo gets hot.

If you look at the line up, the biggest issue is they have a lot of good players but no one really "carrying" the team. For example if you look at guys between 100-120 wRC+ you have Contreras(112), Schwarber(116), Heyward(104), Rizzo(113), Almora(100), and Happ(108). Baez has cooled some after his scorching hot start at 128. Zobrist has been fantastic at 130. Bryant pre being hurt was 129 and the injury probably sapped some of his value. And Bote has been fantastic in a fill in role at 124. Only guys under 100 are Russell(see injury), La Stella(hitting .279/.355/.316 just doesn't have much power) and Caratini who's your back up C.

The advancement of other players has lessened it but I see it as Bote never getting a shot and he has plenty of production added as Bryant’s sub.

The bigger issue is Yu mane shutting down for the year. This is far more impacting.
 

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Feel like people are underselling the loss of bryant here. That's an MVP caliber bat who's only played in 76 of 123 games this year. Honestly, if you look at this logistically they are a worse team arguably talent wise because of injuries/ineffectiveness than last year but they still have a better record. Last year you had Arrieta who was replaced by Darvish. Last year you had Davis who was replaced by Morrow. Last year you had Lackey instead of I guess Chatwood. And last year Bryant was healthy.

So, I get frustrated when I see people talk about the team being shit. I suppose it's addressing a different point than I am. In other words, I'm saying they are playing well despite some heavy hurdles while others are just saying they want the team to win. But I mean you take close to 10 war off any good team because of injuries and they will look sort of like the cubs.

Honestly, if anything the last few games have made me more hopeful. My biggest playoff worry right now is how the starting pitching is going to hold up if Darvish isn't back and good. But really the starters have looked good recently. The offense has obviously died. But even if Bryant isn't 100% I think there's a chance he is back and 85-90% of Bryant is a big boost. Maddon also seems to think Russell is playing through a finger injury. If they can get in a position to rest him some he was hitting really well before it(.333/.396/.481 135 wRC+ the month prior to getting hurt in detroit). Plus at some point you have to figure Rizzo gets hot.

If you look at the line up, the biggest issue is they have a lot of good players but no one really "carrying" the team. For example if you look at guys between 100-120 wRC+ you have Contreras(112), Schwarber(116), Heyward(104), Rizzo(113), Almora(100), and Happ(108). Baez has cooled some after his scorching hot start at 128. Zobrist has been fantastic at 130. Bryant pre being hurt was 129 and the injury probably sapped some of his value. And Bote has been fantastic in a fill in role at 124. Only guys under 100 are Russell(see injury), La Stella(hitting .279/.355/.316 just doesn't have much power) and Caratini who's your back up C.
The good thing was a couple guys stepped up and kept them above water in his absence , plus the Brewers played .500 ball which helped maintain the game lead...

Now the ones that offset his absence are struggling some and the longer it takes for him not to just get back but hit and make a difference , the greater the chance the 3 game lead evaporates and with just 39 games left, might not be able to recover..

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Feel like people are underselling the loss of bryant here. That's an MVP caliber bat who's only played in 76 of 123 games this year. Honestly, if you look at this logistically they are a worse team arguably talent wise because of injuries/ineffectiveness than last year but they still have a better record. Last year you had Arrieta who was replaced by Darvish. Last year you had Davis who was replaced by Morrow. Last year you had Lackey instead of I guess Chatwood. And last year Bryant was healthy.

So, I get frustrated when I see people talk about the team being shit. I suppose it's addressing a different point than I am. In other words, I'm saying they are playing well despite some heavy hurdles while others are just saying they want the team to win. But I mean you take close to 10 war off any good team because of injuries and they will look sort of like the cubs.

Honestly, if anything the last few games have made me more hopeful. My biggest playoff worry right now is how the starting pitching is going to hold up if Darvish isn't back and good. But really the starters have looked good recently. The offense has obviously died. But even if Bryant isn't 100% I think there's a chance he is back and 85-90% of Bryant is a big boost. Maddon also seems to think Russell is playing through a finger injury. If they can get in a position to rest him some he was hitting really well before it(.333/.396/.481 135 wRC+ the month prior to getting hurt in detroit). Plus at some point you have to figure Rizzo gets hot.

If you look at the line up, the biggest issue is they have a lot of good players but no one really "carrying" the team. For example if you look at guys between 100-120 wRC+ you have Contreras(112), Schwarber(116), Heyward(104), Rizzo(113), Almora(100), and Happ(108). Baez has cooled some after his scorching hot start at 128. Zobrist has been fantastic at 130. Bryant pre being hurt was 129 and the injury probably sapped some of his value. And Bote has been fantastic in a fill in role at 124. Only guys under 100 are Russell(see injury), La Stella(hitting .279/.355/.316 just doesn't have much power) and Caratini who's your back up C.

I never want to see LaStella play the field. You think of them having LaStella to pinch hit instead of Caratini or Almora yesterday.

Getting Bryant back healthy is going to be a big boost to this team. Just seems like at the rate they are going, the Cardinals will be in first place by the first week of september. The question is, do you put KB back in the 3 hole when he comes back and let Rizzo hit 4th or Bryant 2 and Rizzo 3? That is why I would much rather leave Javy leading off instead of hitting him 4th or 5th. The RBI's will come, but right now, it looks like Javy has to move in a good 6 inches to consistently hit that outside pitch he is hammered on. When the pitcher hits the inside corner, Javy is stepping back like the ball is going to hit him., even when its straight and on the corner, so he wont move in. He will hit a ball a foot off the plate if he got closer.

that is the whole deal with this team. You need to make the pitchers change. Look at the Kansas city series. All they were doing was pitching Javy regular in and he was crushing the ball. Milwaukee and Pittsburg were making him chase outside and down again.

Where does Bryant go back in this lineup?
 

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