Jerry Krause for the Hall of Fame?

[Rush]

Interesting read from K.C. Johnson: "Phil Jackson was on his way out of basketball. Krause spotted him coaching the Albany Patroons. Phil wrote in one of his books he had given up any chance of getting back in the NBA....

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By: Doug Thonus

 

[houheffna]

Yes, he deserves it. Accolades shouldn't be handed out based on who made Pippen and MJ sad or happy...

People think Rodman should have his number retired after 3 years of service with the team...but people scoff at the notion of Krause getting acknowledgment. Kenny Williams and others who won titles in Chicago get more recognition than Krause...and none of them won 6...

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

No. I am not even someone who thinks Rodman, Gilmore, Van Lier, Grant, or Kukoc should have their jersey retired. Why the hell should Krause? Just because the Bulls are finally contenders again (and finally have an all-star again) doesn't mean Krause's name should be in the HOF.

 

[AE23]

seems like anyone with a nice carrer in basketball (at any level) can eventually get into the hall of fame. If it was up to me, hes not in. Yes he was the guy at the helm of the Jordan Dynasty, but after that, that was it. His jobs seemed alot easier when he knew he had the safety net of Jordan to build around.

 

[houheffna]

seems like anyone with a nice carrer in basketball (at any level) can eventually get into the hall of fame. If it was up to me, hes not in. Yes he was the guy at the helm of the Jordan Dynasty, but after that, that was it. His jobs seemed alot easier when he knew he had the safety net of Jordan to build around.

"That was it" is enough. He made significant contributions to those 6 titles, he didn't just sit back and do nothing, he did a heck of a lot. Jordan was the most important part to the dynasty...but Jordan needed a lot of help to win...Krause got it for him...

 

[AE23]

I am very critical of Krause, for all his talk about organization, he didnt seem very prepared for Jordan and Phil leaving(wich he had alot to do with), Tim Floyd, were u serious, lol, and after Jordan left he tried to do what he did before, except no Jordan this time around, Fail.

 

[houheffna]

I am very critical of Krause, for all his talk about organization, he didnt seem very prepared for Jordan and Phil leaving(wich he had alot to do with), Tim Floyd, were u serious, lol, and after Jordan left he tried to do what he did before, except no Jordan this time around, Fail.

Very few people are able to repeat success at the GM position. But even fewer are able to win 6 titles while successful. In all actuality, he wanted to end the run sooner because he saw the team aging and didn't want to be left empty handed. He was blocked by Reinsdorf. His making Phil angry doesn't erase the fact that he moved heaven and earth to get Phil here. For what its worth, Krause DISCOVERED Phil Jackson. The greatest coach arguably in American sport was about to go to law school I believe, when Krause wanted to give him a chance. Krause's stubbornness is the reason for Phil being here in the first place. He deserves that credit...

 

[Gunzaan]

You could also argue that 90% of his success has been on two lucky drafts... Jordan falling to them and beating the insane odds and getting the #1 pick for Rose.

 

[Kush77]

No. Everything the man did outside of Jordan was a failure. He put pieces around Jordan, but any GM worth a damn could build a title team around the greatest player ever.

Krause in the Hall - no. Or should I say "Hall No" ha ha ha ha

 

[Crystallas]

Case for Krause
Jordan, Oakley, Grant, Pippen, Kukoc, every draft was possibly as good as it could have gone other than 1989, Rodman trade, Hiring Doug Collins, Phil Jackson, Tex Winter.

Case against Krause

Tim Floyd, The 1989 draft, Cartwright, the food stained shirts, stirring up Scottie Pippen with McGrady talks.

IDK, I think Krause has a case, but man, when he fucked up, he fucked up big near the end of his tenure.

 

[AE23]

You could also argue that 90% of his success has been on two lucky drafts... Jordan falling to them and beating the insane odds and getting the #1 pick for Rose.

I dont think Krause was w/ the bulls when jordan was drafted, ill have do look that one up, but yes, those were two very lucky drafts

 

[AE23]

No. Everything the man did outside of Jordan was a failure. He put pieces around Jordan, but any GM worth a damn could build a title team around the greatest player ever.

Krause in the Hall - no. Or should I say "Hall No" ha ha ha ha

hear, hear

 

[Crystallas]

Paxson = Rose, Thorn = Jordan, but Krause was Reinsdorf's friend, and chipped his opinion on Jordan. I remember when Krause was named Bulls GM, the Tribune article credited him with being an advisory on the pick.

 

[houheffna]

Reinsdorf bought the team in 1985...he had nothing to do with Jordan, neither did Krause...

 

[A Chosen Bullet]

Unfortunately, Krause gets a bad rap for the post-MJ debacle, but how many professional sports dynasties didn't crash or burn after their core aged and ultimately retired?

Bottom line - Krause begot Pippen, Grant, Phil Jackson, Tex Winter, Toni Kukoc; traded Oakley for Cartwright, King for Luc Longley, Perdue for Rodman and signed vital complimentary parts like Paxson, Kerr and Ron Harper among others.

He was the architect of the greatest sports dynasty in the last 40 years and his induction should be a no brainer in my opinion...

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

The Bulls would have needed to be moronic to draft Sam Perkins or anybody else other than Michael Jordan with that 3rd overall pick...

Regardless of any of that, in order to go to the Basketball Hall-of-Fame as merely front office personel, you better have done a LOT great to earn that. Krause did not. He merely did his job as GM. Sometimes it was a great job. Others- horrendous.

John Paxson and Steve Kerr deserve the Hall of Fame 10-100x more than Krause in my opinion. And none of them deserve it.

 

[houheffna]

The Bulls would have needed to be moronic to draft Sam Perkins or anybody else other than Michael Jordan with that 3rd overall pick...

Regardless of any of that, in order to go to the Basketball Hall-of-Fame as merely front office personel, you better have done a LOT great to earn that. Krause did not. He merely did his job as GM. Sometimes it was a great job. Others- horrendous.

John Paxson and Steve Kerr deserve the Hall of Fame 10-100x more than Krause in my opinion. And none of them deserve it.

If doing his job is winning 6 titles...yeah, he did it. Now lets go over the list of other general managers with 6 rings...in any sport...good luck with that...to say he did an average job is an understatement to say the least.

 

[Crystallas]

The Bulls would have needed to be moronic to draft Sam Perkins or anybody else other than Michael Jordan with that 3rd overall pick...

Perkins was Jordan's teamate, and he was drafted high because of Jordan. Perkins going #4 is a bad example, but some people thought the Bulls should have picked Otis Thorpe, believe it or not. Woolridge was a freaking headcase, and the Bulls tried to trade him off, the same way we have tried to trade off Deng before this season, with no luck.
However, back then Jordan's stock dropped because they were eliminated well before the final four. Just like any draft, you can always look back in retrospect and know who was better, but predicting the draft is a whole new story.
Someone could be right the majority of the time, but nobody is right about picks all of the time, nobody. If someone thinks they are, they're full of shit.

Reinsdorf bought the team in 1985...he had nothing to do with Jordan, neither did Krause...

I beg to differ. When a team changes hands, its a long process, especially back then. Reinsdorf had his hands in the final say for much of what the Bulls did right before the purchase was finalized.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

If doing his job is winning 6 titles...yeah, he did it. Now lets go over the list of other general managers with 6 rings...in any sport...good luck with that...to say he did an average job is an understatement to say the least.

Players deserve by far the most credit when it comes to winning championships. And the coaching staff always deserves a ton more credit than the front office.

 

[houheffna]

Perkins was Jordan's teamate, and he was drafted high because of Jordan. Perkins going #4 is a bad example, but some people thought the Bulls should have picked Otis Thorpe, believe it or not. Woolridge was a freaking headcase, and the Bulls tried to trade him off, the same way we have tried to trade off Deng before this season, with no luck.
However, back then Jordan's stock dropped because they were eliminated well before the final four. Just like any draft, you can always look back in retrospect and know who was better, but predicting the draft is a whole new story.
Someone could be right the majority of the time, but nobody is right about picks all of the time, nobody. If someone thinks they are, they're full of shit.



I beg to differ. When a team changes hands, its a long process, especially back then. Reinsdorf had his hands in the final say for much of what the Bulls did right before the purchase was finalized.

It takes longer now than then to buy teams. How long were the Cubs on the market? Maybe its me, but changing ownership seems a lot more tedious now.

Reinsdorf agreed to buy in September 84 and closed the deal in January/February 85. He said in an interview that he didn't know anything about Jordan, The Wirtz Family and others owned the team when Jordan was drafted. Rod Thorn takes full credit for not only drafting Jordan, but told of his plan to draft Perkins if Jordan wasn't available. Reinsdorf gives Krause all of the credit for building the team around Jordan. If Krause had any say at all in the Jordan matter, even as a consultant...he would have bragged about that by now I would think...

Krause and Reinsdorf eventually should be considered for the HOF, Jordan came with the package...now if I am wrong, no problem, been wrong before, but I always thought Rod Thorn had the final say on Jordan...