Jim O'Donnell....Sun-Times writer.....Proud Drone

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Heck, maybe there is a way that I'm not seeing. How could we keep Ben and Kirk? Anyone?
Even if you want to make the case that Kirk should be moved, which I think many people would, as I've said, and countless people have said to you, it's your attitude that anyone who likes Hinrich is a complete imbecilic moron who should be taken out back and shot that bothers everyone.

Frankly, this is absolutely ridiculous. When and where have I ever said that anyone who likes Kirk Hinirch is a complete "imbecilic moron"? I'd like to know. That would make me a moron, since I think he's a good player . I've never said that Kirk is a bad player. I do think he's overrated, but that doesn't mean he's a bad player. It just means that a lot of people make him into something more than he is.
 

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Frankly, this is absolutely ridiculous. When and where have I ever said that anyone who likes Kirk Hinirch is a complete "imbecilic moron"? I'd like to know. That would make me a moron, since I think he's a good player . I've never said that Kirk is a bad player. I do think he's overrated, but that doesn't mean he's a bad player. It just means that a lot of people make him into something more than he is.
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"What’s more appalling? The fact that some basement-dwelling degenerate took the time to drag himself to his parent’s computer to write this nonsense or the fact that Steve Kashul found it brilliant enough to read over the airwaves to thousands of listeners."

You use the term "drone" all the time to refer to people who dislike Gordon and like Hinrich.

You use insulting and loaded language towards people you disagree with frequently, and that just reflects poorly on you which has been pointed out by people who agree with you ad nauseum that your point would get across more clearly and be more persuasive without such taunts.
 

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Frankly, this is absolutely ridiculous. When and where have I ever said that anyone who likes Kirk Hinirch is a complete "imbecilic moron"? I'd like to know. That would make me a moron, since I think he's a good player . I've never said that Kirk is a bad player. I do think he's overrated, but that doesn't mean he's a bad player. It just means that a lot of people make him into something more than he is.
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You use the term "drone" all the time to refer to people who dislike Gordon and like Hinrich.

That's not a drone. I had absolutely no problem with your "Case for Kirk" and I told you so. You brought up some excellent points of why Kirk should stay and Ben should go. You brought facts, the best being that Kirk's contract runs out when we are due to pay Rose.

A drone is someone who says, "Kirk is a better shooter than Ben", or Steve T. Gorches, or someone like O'Donnell who says that "Kirk is more clutch than Ben". All subjective arguments, with no basis in fact. In fact, facts point to the contrary. I have no patience for this.

And who was hurt by the example you pointed out? Jim from Naperville...no last name...who took the time out of his day to write this egregious email blasting Ben as some worthless piece of crap, with no facts or real points to back it up. Hundreds of thousands of people heard that email read by Kashul. How many people are hearing me? Yeah, I called him a basement dwelling degenerate....Who was really hurt by me calling him a "basement dwelling" degenerate? For all I know, he could be an attorney in Lisle living the life. Am I calling all Hinrich supporters that? Of course not. When I called this faceless, email-ing coward a "basement dwelling degenerate", how did that possibly take away from my arguments? It's a common trait of a basement dwelling degenerates to send an email like that, without any points to back it up, without a last name. And it's more entertaining to read than "This person sent an email with no facts to back it up".

It's not fair to accuse me of labeling all Hinrich lovers as drones, or "basement dwelling" losers, because I've never said that, or believe that, and I've never written that. Many people, like my co-host, love Kirk Hinrich. And most of the Hinrich lovers on this Forum, like Diddy1212, I really respect because they obviously know the game. I don't understand, nor will I ever, the people who hate, and I mean REALLY HATE, on Ben Gordon. Because I've never heard a really solid argument for it, and the completely subjective one of "He sucks at defense" and "he's selfish" doesn't qualify as a valid argument. If you're going to argue that, then please provide facts, and then admit that Reggie Miller, Gilbert Arenas, George Gervin, and all the other scorers who didn't play defense suck. Otherwise, you're disrespecting a kid who works really, really hard.
 

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Let me quote myself to clarify:

You use insulting and loaded language towards people you disagree with frequently, and that just reflects poorly on you which has been pointed out by people who agree with you ad nauseum that your point would get across more clearly and be more persuasive without such taunts.

I'm not discussing Jim's feelings or the feelings of the writers. I'm saying that your point towards your audience (be it large or small) is less persuasive for playing the B&B role of insulting/mocking the person you are arguing against prior to breaking down their argument.

If your argument is better then it will be even more persuasive without the mocking and insulting. Of course that's just my opinion, but I could be wrong, there probably are legions of people out there who prefer the mocking, insulting and name calling otherwise B&B wouldn't have a radio show.
 

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