Joe Maddon: most exhausting man in baseball

[Parade_Rain]

The Most Exhausting Manager in Baseball doesn’t always drink beer, but when he does, he prefers to get it from Binny’s.

 

[Rory Sparrow]

Why would you assume I didn't watch the play? Because I don't bash Maddon like you do?

I watched it, and saw a third base umpire very clearly indicate he had no clue - and then after that, the umps changed their call. I don't disagree with the final outcome, but if I am a manager and an ump indicates he didn't see the play, and then reverses a call, I too would be questioning him.

If Maddon stood in the dugout and did nothing, fans would blast him for being asleep at the wheel.

I can't even comprehend what is going on at this point.

First, I didn't call Maddon "the most exhausting man in baseball"...it was Jomboy who provided the video breakdown of the entire situation. It was just a throwaway line that I thought was humorous. So why you are so pissy at ME makes no sense, but is typical of this forum.

Second, you rhetorically ask "why would you assume I didn't watch the play?" when I JUST TOLD YOU THE REASON. It is contained in the post DIRECTLY ABOVE YOURS.

"I assume you didn't watch the play or the video. The term "most exhausting man in baseball" wasn't referring to Maddon putting his two cents in after the call was changed, it was in reference to the amount of time Maddon spent arguing against a correct call...hence the term 'exhausting'. The video even fast-forwarded through Maddon's histrionics as to not bore the viewer."

So, what on earth are you complaining about?

You are the most exhausting poster on the CCS Cubs forum. I know you are just doing your job by replying to postings, and if you didn't replay then other forum posters would blast you for being asleep at the wheel, but...

 

[beckdawg]

I love this forum. Just so much baseball knowledge.

I'm not sure how Maddon "doing his job" somehow is antithetical to him being "the most exhausting man in baseball". If anyone can explain that to me, that would be great.

So you're suggesting any other manager wouldn't argue that? My point is that's the exact thing any manager would argue. I don't see how that makes him any more "exhausting" than any other manager. If you're making the case that Maddon is "exhausting" i think there's better arguments than this one.

 

[Rory Sparrow]

So you're suggesting any other manager wouldn't argue that?

Again, it wasn't my comment. You apparently don't understand what "antithetical" means. Amazingly, in the post directly above yours, I said (for the second time) to TL1961:

"I assume you didn't watch the play or the video. The term "most exhausting man in baseball" wasn't referring to Maddon putting his two cents in after the call was changed, it was in reference to the amount of time Maddon spent arguing against a correct call...hence the term 'exhausting'. The video even fast-forwarded through Maddon's histrionics as to not bore the viewer."

I guess I don't understand what takes place in this forum on a daily basis. Truly astounding.

 

[beckdawg]

Again, it wasn't my comment. You apparently don't understand what "antithetical" means. Amazingly, in the post directly above yours, I said (for the second time) to TL1961:

"I assume you didn't watch the play or the video. The term "most exhausting man in baseball" wasn't referring to Maddon putting his two cents in after the call was changed, it was in reference to the amount of time Maddon spent arguing against a correct call...hence the term 'exhausting'. The video even fast-forwarded through Maddon's histrionics as to not bore the viewer."

I guess I don't understand what takes place in this forum on a daily basis. Truly astounding.

I'll be real with you. I didn't read every comment after mine because I honestly didn't see how it mattered. That doesn't change the fact that your initial reply to me was completely unclear as to what you were arguing.

And since we're here critiquing the the comments on this forum, are we really talking about how a manager argues? Like that's your gripe? Would it have been better if he bumped the umpire yelling his head off and was tossed immediately? Seemingly that would make him less "exhausting." It's also very likely far less effective at working the umpires.

Regardless, I couldn't care less about how any manager argues when a call goes against them. The fact you're concerned with that over talking about the action in play... I mean different strokes for different folks I suppose but as I said I couldn't care less. And if I'm going to get mad at Maddon it's not gonna be because of this shit. It's going to be when he makes a poor line up call. I just can't be arsed.

 

[TL1961]

I can't even comprehend what is going on at this point.

First, I didn't call Maddon "the most exhausting man in baseball"...it was Jomboy who provided the video breakdown of the entire situation. It was just a throwaway line that I thought was humorous. So why you are so pissy at ME makes no sense, but is typical of this forum.

Second, you rhetorically ask "why would you assume I didn't watch the play?" when I JUST TOLD YOU THE REASON. It is contained in the post DIRECTLY ABOVE YOURS.

"I assume you didn't watch the play or the video. The term "most exhausting man in baseball" wasn't referring to Maddon putting his two cents in after the call was changed, it was in reference to the amount of time Maddon spent arguing against a correct call...hence the term 'exhausting'. The video even fast-forwarded through Maddon's histrionics as to not bore the viewer."

So, what on earth are you complaining about?

You are the most exhausting poster on the CCS Cubs forum. I know you are just doing your job by replying to postings, and if you didn't replay then other forum posters would blast you for being asleep at the wheel, but...

And, exactly as I mentioned, within a game or two, Maddon was criticized for not arguing a call.

 

[TL1961]

Also....don’t repost clips of someone calling maddon exhausting, give it thumbs up, and then throw up your hands saying “I was not the one calling him that.”

Don’t simultaneously defend and disown a position.

 

[Rory Sparrow]

Gardenhire now making a run at Maddon's "Most Exhausting Man in Baseball" title...he got thrown out yesterday the moment he stepped out of the dugout, then tried to claim he was coming out just to change pitchers. Shades of Maddon!

 

[TL1961]

You have an unhealthy obsession.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

You have an unhealthy obsession.

He is also not wrong.

 

[Rory Sparrow]

Gardenhire officially surpassing Maddon now....

 

[HeHateMe]

Great breakdown from this weekend...

One could even deem him "home weary"​

 

[Rory Sparrow]

One could even deem him "home weary"​

I'll be real with you. I didn't read every comment after mine because I honestly didn't see how it mattered. That doesn't change the fact that your initial reply to me was completely unclear as to what you were arguing.

And since we're here critiquing the the comments on this forum, are we really talking about how a team plays at home? Like that's your gripe?

 

[anotheridiot]

Exhausting, absolutely.

The era is done, but the tea baggers would prefer break up this core, figure out who will not sign (Bryant) and deal him away for some teams top 5 prospects to rebuild our farm.

Don't we all just laugh at hippies when they get upset?

 

[CSF77]

Exhausting, absolutely.

The era is done, but the tea baggers would prefer break up this core, figure out who will not sign (Bryant) and deal him away for some teams top 5 prospects to rebuild our farm.

Don't we all just laugh at hippies when they get upset?

Rebuild the farm for Bryant?

No I said:

Trade him and Almora to Minn for

Bruxton (MLB CF) and

Brusdar Graterol | Rank: 3 Rochester Red Wings (AAA)
#55 ranked prospect in baseball

Scouting grades: Fastball: 70 | Curveball: 50 | Slider: 60 | Changeup: 45 | Control: 50 | Overall: 55
After signing in the summer of 2014 for just $150,000, Graterol pitched sparingly in the Dominican Summer League the following year, then missed all of 2016 because of Tommy John surgery. He eased his way back with a solid performance across two rookie levels in 2017, then really jumped on the prospect radar by excelling at two levels of full-season ball, topping 100 innings for the first time and helping Fort Myers win the Florida State League title in 2018.
Graterol's stuff continues to get better the more he matures and the further removed from surgery he gets. His fastball touches triple digits and will often sit in the 96-98 mph range, with an ability to maintain velocity deep into starts. Throwing with plenty of sink, Graterol misses bats and gets a ton of ground-ball outs off of his fastball. When he committed to throw the harder version of his slider, in the 87-89 mph range, it trended toward plus, but he would back off of it at times. Continued separation between that and his slower curve will help, as will further refinement of his changeup.
The right-hander filled up the strike zone in the Midwest League and was still pretty consistent up a level as a teenager, pointing to perhaps better-than-average control in the future. His stuff, command and strength all add to a big up arrow next to his name, with a future as a frontline starter a distinct possibility.

Reason why I said Alozay and Rae to the rotation in 2020. Brusdar is a outside chance of starting out of ST He would most likely promote with Nico. Either on the Twins or if he is traded.

Other guy I targeted:

Lewis Thorpe | Rank: 11 (Preseason: 8) Team: Rochester Red Wings (AAA)

He has 6 games at the major league level this year so breaking S/T is far more likely.

Scouting grades: Fastball: 60 | Curveball: 55 | Slider: 45 | Changeup: 50 | Control: 50 | Overall: 50
There were high hopes for Thorpe when he signed as a 16-year-old out of Australia back in 2012 for $500,000. He got off to a great start at the lower levels of Minnesota's system then started running into elbow troubles, getting shut down in 2014 and needing Tommy John surgery that cost him the 2015 season. He missed 2016 as well when he contracted mono during rehab, finally returning and shaking off the rust the following year. He topped 100 innings in a season for the first time in his career in 2018, reaching Triple-A, pitching in the Futures Game and leading the organization in strikeouts in the process.
While he may no longer be the high-ceilinged potential frontline starter the Twins hoped he might be, there is a little more certainty that he can be a big league starter now that he's put in a full, healthy season. He has a solid four-pitch mix and can fill the strike zone with all of them using a clean delivery. He commands his low-90s fastball well and he can reach back for more velocity when he needs to. He didn't have a good feel for either breaking ball at the start of 2018, but then got on a roll, with his curve really taking a step forward. His curve pairs nicely with his fastball to create a good two-pitch, north-south profile, and he mixes in his sinking changeup effectively as well.
Those who have been with the organization since Thorpe's signing breathed a huge sigh of relief after his successful 2018 season. He might be more of a mid-to-back of the rotation starter now, but he's finally just about ready to impact the big league staff.

 

[anotheridiot]

I said teabaggers and you immediately thought it was you?

No, the point is, BEFORE you change this core, you change the voice leading them.

Apparently, yesterday on the Laurence Holmes show, Maddon really liked the nationals, the way they pitched, the way they moved the ball around. Most are implying that is the type of roster he would like to have. Maybe he can go be Davey's bench coach. Do you think Martinez would want that?

 

[Rory Sparrow]

Rebuild the farm for Bryant?

No I said:

Trade him and Almora to Minn for

Bruxton (MLB CF) and

Brusdar Graterol | Rank: 3 Rochester Red Wings (AAA)
#55 ranked prospect in baseball

So the Twins are in the market for trading away their young star players and their best prospects for a weak-hitting OF and a guy with fewer arbitration years remaining?

Yeah, that makes sense.

 

[CSF77]

So the Twins are in the market for trading away their young star players and their best prospects for a weak-hitting OF and a guy with fewer arbitration years remaining?

Yeah, that makes sense.

Red Sox did it for Sale. So why doesn't it make sense? Do you think Bryant is over rated and not worth that return?

Cubs gave up more than that for Q. 2 top 100 prospects. For a MOR starter.

So again why is a player like Bruxton who has been another Profar and a prospect ranked just under Nico. Not a top 10 like Eloy was and a non prospect worth Almora and Bryant?

You really don't know baseball value do you.

 

[Rory Sparrow]

Red Sox did it for Sale. So why doesn't it make sense?

The Twins aren't the Red Sox. Sorry to have to point that out.

 

[CSF77]

Why would they do it?

Cron is a F/A and bad.
Cruz is a F/A and 39.
Sano finally is starting to sniff his potential.

A team in that market would welcome a talent like Bryant.