Jurko: Brock Purdy is a better QB than Justin Fields v. ESPN1000

[ijustposthere]

Mooney stats with fields vs not fields as QB
2021 NOT JF - 80.4 ypg
2021 JF - 51 ypg
2022 - JF 41 ypg

Kmet
2021 NOT JF - 45.6 YPG
2021 JF - 34 ypg
2022 JF - 30.6 ypg

Claypool
2021 NOT JF - 57ypg
2022 NOT JF - 39 ypg
2022 JF - 18.5 ypg

Montgomery
2021 NOT JF - 27ypg
2021 JF - 18 ypg
2022 JF - 21ypg

So me saying JF doesnt make his weapons around him better when he statistically has made them all worse is dumb how?

No point in entertaining an idiot

 

[Bearly]

No point in entertaining an idiot

This board without dbldrew:

This board with dbldrew:

 

[dbldrew]

No point in entertaining an idiot

i.e. crap dbldrew backed up what he said with facts that I cant argue against so will resort to a simple insult to try and save face..

 

[Canth]

Mooney stats with fields vs not fields as QB
2021 NOT JF - 80.4 ypg
2021 JF - 51 ypg
2022 - JF 41 ypg

Kmet
2021 NOT JF - 45.6 YPG
2021 JF - 34 ypg
2022 JF - 30.6 ypg

Claypool
2021 NOT JF - 57ypg
2022 NOT JF - 39 ypg
2022 JF - 18.5 ypg

Montgomery
2021 NOT JF - 27ypg
2021 JF - 18 ypg
2022 JF - 21ypg

So me saying JF doesnt make his weapons around him better when he statistically has made them all worse is dumb how?

I know I shouldn't respond, but what I will say is that especially the start of the 2022 season was rough for the offense. It was a new offense, new playcaller, one game in a monsoon and another on the road in primetime against GB. For that matter, the Houston game was also very rough passing but awesome in the run game.

So, with that preference, when I check Mooney's stats and Kmet's stats ignoring the 1st 2 games of the 2022 season, I get:

Mooney 54 ypg
Kmet 36 ypg

So, once they started to sort out the offense and playcalling, both those key receiving targets were doing similar to slightly better in receiving yards with Fields. My point here is that I did not see a regression in 2022 for Mooney's or Kmet's yards once they started to figure out the new offense a bit. Clearly it was a very rough start to the season.

Even more important than yards, Kmet was actually scoring TDs. He went from 0 TDs in 2021 to 7 TDs in 2022. So, clearly a huge improvement and one to keep an eye on going forward.

I don't think anyone thinks the offense or Fields is a finished product. Clearly, Fields needs to improve in his passing. However, I do think that Fields overall game clearly improved in 2022 and as the season went on. He showed that he is playmaker and combined with his running threat was a force on the field. He became very efficient with his passing even if the attempts and hence yardage were low. Before he got hurt, there was a 5 game stretch where they were averaging around 30 ppg which is absolutely fantastic in the NFL. Those are things to build on and why imo, they should stick with Fields for 2023.

 

[nc0gnet0]

Give what up? You had an awful example. Everyone here saw that in real time and there's a reason it was forgettable.It's the equivalent of a Hail Mary at the end of a 1/2. I'm sure you can find a better one. They all **** up but that was just a really poor example. The rest is just shits and giggles. That can't be the worst ever simply due to circumstances which you completely whiffed on when you selected that play. Zero effect on score or momentum.

Let's look at your current QB when he had a lot more experience than Fields.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1343325679979429893

This is when you tell me about 'when Fields has a year like Gof blah, blah, blah' when it has absolutely nothing to do with 'worst pick ever'.

Let me know when Fields throws 5 in a game like Stafford.

Oh FFS, that is nothing even remotely close to Fields interception, Goff had a defender bearing down on him, Justin had, and I repeat, ABSOLUTELY ZERO PRESSURE. not sure why this is so hard for you to grasp. Why not just wait, waive the recievers to go deep, then through a Hail Mary, then at least it would be remotely undertandable.

As for the no outcome in the game argument, at that point in time it did, and that is precisely why they were in a hurry up and the end of the half.

Again, that is one of the most mind numbingly stupid interceptions I have ever seen thrown.

And Stafford? Does that mean I just bring the turd biscuit into the conversation as well? Hard for Justin to throw 5 picks in a game, when Getsy doesn't let him throw the ball that often......

 

[Bearly]

Oh FFS, that is nothing even remotely close to Fields interception, Goff had a defender bearing down on him, Justin had, and I repeat, ABSOLUTELY ZERO PRESSURE. not sure why this is so hard for you to grasp. Why not just wait, waive the recievers to go deep, then through a Hail Mary, then at least it would be remotely undertandable.

As for the no outcome in the game argument, at that point in time it did, and that is precisely why they were in a hurry up and the end of the half.

Again, that is one of the most mind numbingly stupid interceptions I have ever seen thrown.

And Stafford? Does that mean I just bring the turd biscuit into the conversation as well? Hard for Justin to throw 5 picks in a game, when Getsy doesn't let him throw the ball that often......

Meaningless int vs game changers. Sure buddy.

 

[dbldrew]

I know I shouldn't respond, but what I will say is that especially the start of the 2022 season was rough for the offense. It was a new offense, new playcaller, one game in a monsoon and another on the road in primetime against GB. For that matter, the Houston game was also very rough passing but awesome in the run game.

So, with that preference, when I check Mooney's stats and Kmet's stats ignoring the 1st 2 games of the 2022 season, I get:

Mooney 54 ypg
Kmet 36 ypg

So, once they started to sort out the offense and playcalling, both those key receiving targets were doing similar to slightly better in receiving yards with Fields. My point here is that I did not see a regression in 2022 for Mooney's or Kmet's yards once they started to figure out the new offense a bit. Clearly it was a very rough start to the season.

Even more important than yards, Kmet was actually scoring TDs. He went from 0 TDs in 2021 to 7 TDs in 2022. So, clearly a huge improvement and one to keep an eye on going forward.

I don't think anyone thinks the offense or Fields is a finished product. Clearly, Fields needs to improve in his passing. However, I do think that Fields overall game clearly improved in 2022 and as the season went on. He showed that he is playmaker and combined with his running threat was a force on the field. He became very efficient with his passing even if the attempts and hence yardage were low. Before he got hurt, there was a 5 game stretch where they were averaging around 30 ppg which is absolutely fantastic in the NFL. Those are things to build on and why imo, they should stick with Fields for 2023.

You are misreading what I wrote you have to compare it to the NOT JF stats. which is 80 ypg for Mooney and 45 ypg for kmet

So even with manipulating the stats in favor of Fields, Fields was slightly better then his rookie year, but still falls short vs other QBs like I said.

 

[ijustposthere]

i.e. crap dbldrew backed up what he said with facts that I cant argue against so will resort to a simple insult to try and save face..

Yeah, that's it. Or you simply have to check PPG and offensive totals for the team, specifically once they catered the offense to Fields. Or even just watch the actual games. My favorite was when you jizzed yourself over Siemian after a quarter and then he proceeded to crap his pants the rest of the game.

 

[sevvy]

Mooney stats with fields vs not fields as QB
2021 NOT JF - 80.4 ypg
2021 JF - 51 ypg
2022 - JF 41 ypg

Kmet
2021 NOT JF - 45.6 YPG
2021 JF - 34 ypg
2022 JF - 30.6 ypg

Claypool
2021 NOT JF - 57ypg
2022 NOT JF - 39 ypg
2022 JF - 18.5 ypg

Montgomery
2021 NOT JF - 27ypg
2021 JF - 18 ypg
2022 JF - 21ypg

So me saying JF doesnt make his weapons around him better when he statistically has made them all worse is dumb how?

Here we go again with the smallest sample size possible PROVING that the problem is Fields. The OL was fixed with one game with Siemian. The pass catchers are BALLERS with 2 games without Fields.

Forget the fact that the offense has to be run completely differently when Fields isn't playing. At this point, you have to be trolling. Like embracing the fact that everyone thinks you're a moron. Lol.

 

[greg23]

People eager to say Fields sucks cause he wasn't producing 250 yards through the air.

150

Fixed it for ya

 

[ijustposthere]

Here we go again with the smallest sample size possible PROVING that the problem is Fields. The OL was fixed with one game with Siemian. The pass catchers are BALLERS with 2 games without Fields.

Forget the fact that the offense has to be run completely differently when Fields isn't playing. At this point, you have to be trolling. Like embracing the fact that everyone thinks you're a moron. Lol.

I loved how he thought me calling him dumb was an invitation for that post, when really I was just calling him dumb.

 

[Anytime23]

Purdy sure seems to have a better mind for the position, and so far has been a greater benefit to his team. He might wind up being very good and (rightfully) shutting Lance out of the position.

Most of the talk in this thread is whining about the apples and oranges comparison between the bears and 49ers players.

The real issue is how much better Purdy and fields performed over the journeymen they replaced.

Jimmy g was a decent if slightly mediocre player with years of experience in San fran, with 6 playoff games over 2 non consecutive years under his belt.
Purdy as a rookie 3rd stringer, carrying no weight of draft investment, gets tossed in as the 3rd starter and has played over and above the first rounder and the experienced journeyman.

Fields came in tapped as the unquestioned future last year and the performance difference between him and a stopgap 1 year deal guy was negligible.

Since everyone here is buying the narrative that the bears were intentionally losing all year and that there was no attempt to learn how Justin would fare as a passer when a game is on the line, the absolute best assessment you can make about fields is incomplete.

Purdy has gone 5-0 since taking the helm over guys who went 8-4.
Fields has gone 5-20 since taking over for the 3-3 guy.

As it stands, I don't think there is any question as to who is more valuable to their team.

Most fraudulent CCS HOFer I’ve ever seen and also a certified racist and crybaby!

 

[Anytime23]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1616191798216634368

Also Purdy was completely mediocre in his latest victory. Must be nice to be surrounded by quality coaches and elite talent.

 

[cameronkrazie86]

I'm not surprised that the guy with the best supporting cast in football looks good. The 49ers roster is an embarrassment of riches. I'm jealous as hell of their roster. Elite defense. Elite running back. 2 #1 WRs. Elite LT. Elite TE. Elite playcaller. It's the perfect situation for any quarterback (unless you're Jimmy G). People seem to be forgetting that Jimmy G is the worst statistical QB in 4th quarter of playoff games in the entire history of the NFL. The bar is at the lowest it can possibly be. Even a slightly better performance than the worst ever in the history of the game would be a dramatic improvement.

 

[dbldrew]

Here we go again with the smallest sample size possible PROVING that the problem is Fields. The OL was fixed with one game with Siemian. The pass catchers are BALLERS with 2 games without Fields.

Forget the fact that the offense has to be run completely differently when Fields isn't playing. At this point, you have to be trolling. Like embracing the fact that everyone thinks you're a moron. Lol.

2 years of data is not a small sample size, Its a combined 113 starts worth of data for his weapons.. its not a small sample size, when looking at 113 points of data from 4 different players and also 4 different QBs and they all point to the same thing.. a decline of production when JF is the QB

We are not comparing him to superstar QBs it was Dalton, Trubisky and a washed up Big Ben.. all the same thing.. Fields got the worst production out of his weapons compared to what the other QBs got out of them..

 

[cameronkrazie86]

Valuing yards over touchdowns will never not be weird AF.

 

[dbldrew]

Valuing yards over touchdowns will never not be weird AF.

its how the NFL has always rated production in the NFL, too many times one player can be the work horse driving the ball down the field and another player gets the TD

But even so, Mooney, Claypool both had a reduction in TD this year and Montgomery had 1 TD this year and 0 last year. so at best you might be able to call it a wash..

Regardless Its why these guys..

Rk	Player	Tm	Age	Pos	G	GS	Tgt	Rec	Ctch%	Yds ▼	Y/R	TD	1D	Lng	Y/Tgt	R/G	Y/G	Fmb
10	Terry McLaurin*	WAS	27	WR	17	17	120	77	64.2%	1191	15.5	5	56	52	9.9	4.5	70.1	1
11	Amon-Ra St. Brown	DET	23	WR	16	16	146	106	72.6%	1161	11.0	6	68	49	8.0	6.6	72.6	0
13	Mike Evans	TAM	29	WR	15	15	127	77	60.6%	1124	14.6	6	53	63	8.9	5.1	74.9	0
15	Garrett Wilson	NYJ	22	WR	17	12	147	83	56.5%	1103	13.3	4	56	60	7.5	4.9	64.9	2
16	D.K. Metcalf	SEA	25	WR	17	17	141	90	63.8%	1048	11.6	6	47	54	7.4	5.3	61.6	2
18	Chris Olave	NOR	22	WR	15	9	119	72	60.5%	1042	14.5	4	48	53	8.8	4.8	69.5	2
21	Chris Godwin	TAM	26	WR	15	13	142	104	73.2%	1023	9.8	3	53	44	7.2	6.9	68.2	2
23	Jerry Jeudy	DEN	23	WR	15	14	100	67	67.0%	972	14.5	6	41	67	9.7	4.5	64.8	0
24	JuJu Smith-Schuster	KAN	26	WR	16	14	101	78	77.2%	933	12.0	3	47	53	9.2	4.9	58.3	3
26	T.J. Hockenson*	2TM	25	TE	17	14	129	86	66.7%	914	10.6	6	44	81	7.1	5.1	53.8	1
31	Mark Andrews*	BAL	27	TE	15	15	113	73	64.6%	847	11.6	5	48	36	7.5	4.9	56.5	1

Are rated higher then..

Rk	Player	Tm	Age	Pos	G	GS	Tgt	Rec	Ctch%	Yds ▼	Y/R	TD	1D	Lng	Y/Tgt	R/G	Y/G	Fmb
71	Cole Kmet	CHI	23	TE	17	17	69	50	72.5%	544	10.9	7	27	50	7.9	2.9	32.0	1

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[ijustposthere]

@dbldrew would call rookie Michael Jordan ass because Dave Corzine's per game numbers went down.

 

[HeHateMe]

its how the NFL has always rated production in the NFL, too many times one player can be the work horse driving the ball down the field and another player gets the TD

But even so, Mooney, Claypool both had a reduction in TD this year and Montgomery had 1 TD this year and 0 last year. so at best you might be able to call it a wash..

Regardless Its why these guys..

Rk	Player	Tm	Age	Pos	G	GS	Tgt	Rec	Ctch%	Yds ▼	Y/R	TD	1D	Lng	Y/Tgt	R/G	Y/G	Fmb
10	Terry McLaurin*	WAS	27	WR	17	17	120	77	64.2%	1191	15.5	5	56	52	9.9	4.5	70.1	1
11	Amon-Ra St. Brown	DET	23	WR	16	16	146	106	72.6%	1161	11.0	6	68	49	8.0	6.6	72.6	0
13	Mike Evans	TAM	29	WR	15	15	127	77	60.6%	1124	14.6	6	53	63	8.9	5.1	74.9	0
15	Garrett Wilson	NYJ	22	WR	17	12	147	83	56.5%	1103	13.3	4	56	60	7.5	4.9	64.9	2
16	D.K. Metcalf	SEA	25	WR	17	17	141	90	63.8%	1048	11.6	6	47	54	7.4	5.3	61.6	2
18	Chris Olave	NOR	22	WR	15	9	119	72	60.5%	1042	14.5	4	48	53	8.8	4.8	69.5	2
21	Chris Godwin	TAM	26	WR	15	13	142	104	73.2%	1023	9.8	3	53	44	7.2	6.9	68.2	2
23	Jerry Jeudy	DEN	23	WR	15	14	100	67	67.0%	972	14.5	6	41	67	9.7	4.5	64.8	0
24	JuJu Smith-Schuster	KAN	26	WR	16	14	101	78	77.2%	933	12.0	3	47	53	9.2	4.9	58.3	3
26	T.J. Hockenson*	2TM	25	TE	17	14	129	86	66.7%	914	10.6	6	44	81	7.1	5.1	53.8	1
31	Mark Andrews*	BAL	27	TE	15	15	113	73	64.6%	847	11.6	5	48	36	7.5	4.9	56.5	1

Are rated higher then..

Rk	Player	Tm	Age	Pos	G	GS	Tgt	Rec	Ctch%	Yds ▼	Y/R	TD	1D	Lng	Y/Tgt	R/G	Y/G	Fmb
71	Cole Kmet	CHI	23	TE	17	17	69	50	72.5%	544	10.9	7	27	50	7.9	2.9	32.0	1

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*than

 

[dbldrew]

@dbldrew would call rookie Michael Jordan ass because Dave Corzine's per game numbers went down.

Fields isn't a rookie..