Just for the Cutler thread haters.

[Newblood]

Our offense wasn't a top 2 offense when Cutler was in there though...so it's not like he was doing it for even part of the season. We were pretty good, but nowhere near as good as when McCown was in there so yes, I would like to/need to see it over a full season as Jay is pretty inconsistent. I've said I think he can produce like a top 12 QB if he had a host of weapons, elite O-line, and elite defense, but I don't think he could lead a top 5 offense over a full 16 games. He's just not that type of QB.

Fair assessment and pretty much in line with my opinion of him.

This thread has keep my entertained, working up the usual Cutler haters, but the reality is, I am generally pretty neutral when it comes to Cutler. At this point, I know who he is and my expectations don't get to high or low one way of the other. I've actually stated as much in this thread. It's just with some people, if you are not saying that you think Cutler is total shit, then you are a Cutler lover and saying he can do no wrong.

 

[Calabis]

Every QB has sustained elite play also Joe is doing way worse than Cutler this year.

Cutler 80/133 60.2% 878 yards 6 tds 4 tos Rating: 85.4

Flacco 121/194 62.4% 1262 yards 6 tds 5 tos Rating 80.5

Doesn't look way worse, looks very similar

 

[Newblood]

Cutler 80/133 60.2% 878 yards 6 tds 4 tos Rating: 85.4

Flacco 121/194 62.4% 1262 yards 6 tds 5 tos Rating 80.5

Doesn't look way worse, looks very similar

First you was comparing Cutler to Flaco. Then they were not on the same level. Now they are back to being similar again? Sorry, I'm trying to keep up with your swings.

 

[Enasic]

Fair assessment and pretty much in line with my opinion of him.

This thread has keep my entertained, working up the usual Cutler haters, but the reality is, I am generally pretty neutral when it comes to Cutler. At this point, I know who he is and my expectations don't get to high or low one way of the other. I've actually stated as much in this thread. It's just with some people, if you are not saying that you think Cutler is total shit, then you are a Cutler lover and saying he can do no wrong.

Yeah, it gets annoying. I'm neutral when it comes to Cutler too. I try to be fair...I will say I've seen some improvements this year. It looks like he's moving better in the pocket and being a bit quicker with his decisions. I've seen him go through 2-3 progressions....overall I've been pleased with his play considering the situation with the OL and WRs. If he keeps it up I wouldn't necessarily be surprised and if he finishes the year as being the same guy we've seen in the past, I wouldn't be surprised by that either. I'm just watching the games and trying to call it how I see it.

 

[Calabis]

Talent, production, and consistency wise Cutler being compared to Flacco seems about right. If he was more consistent perhaps he could be compared to Ryan.

He is better than Stafford.

The only thing that Flacco is capable of and has proven is performing when it counts most...Cutler will never have this in his biography

Flacco has the most playoff wins (10) by any NFL quarterback since 2008, twice as many as the next closest competitor and more than twice as many as New England’s Tom Brady (4).

Flacco has the most road playoff wins in NFL history (7), two more than the New York Giants’ Eli Manning.

Flacco has the second-best playoff winning percentage (.714) of any quarterback (with a minimum of 10 starts) in the league. Manning is at .727 (8-3). It’s sixth-best all-time, trailing only legends Bart Starr, Jim Plunkett, Terry Bradshaw, Troy Aikman and Manning.

Unlike Manning, Flacco has never gone to the playoffs and not won at least one game. Manning won four straight during two Super Bowl runs. He lost his first game in his three other playoff trips.

During Baltimore’s current five-game playoff winning streak (the longest in the NFL), Flacco has thrown 13 touchdowns and no interceptions. He’s attempted 166 consecutive passes without a pick in the playoffs. He’s produced a 116.6 quarterback rating over that stretch.

In the Ravens’ last nine playoff games (since 2010), Flacco is 168-of-282 for 2,271 yards, 20 touchdowns and two interceptions (106.0 quarterback rating).

 

[Calabis]

First you was comparing Cutler to Flaco. Then they were not on the same level. Now they are back to being similar again? Sorry, I'm trying to keep up with your swings.

Uhh learn to read..I responded to someone who said he is playing "way worse" than Cutler.....and again Flacco is better imo...he is more durable and doesn't turn it over at an alarming rate like Jay. Also when he gets to the playoffs, he performs..unlike Cutler

but keep on spouting out Jay leading us to a #2 ranked offense, although it wasn't ranked there prior to his injury...also nice to see you ignore his back up who outperformed him with same team....let me know when he shows up against the Packers

 

[Newblood]

Yeah, it gets annoying. I'm neutral when it comes to Cutler too. I try to be fair...I will say I've seen some improvements this year. It looks like he's moving better in the pocket and being a bit quicker with his decisions. I've seen him go through 2-3 progressions....overall I've been pleased with his play considering the situation with the OL and WRs. If he keeps it up I wouldn't necessarily be surprised and if he finishes the year as being the same guy we've seen in the past, I wouldn't be surprised by that either. I'm just watching the games and trying to call it how I see it.

I have to wonder if some of the improvement we are seeing from Cutler is better coaching of the WRs. Seems the WRs are better coached on their reads and scrambling assignments, so Cutler has more confidence in were they are going or going to be. Seems to be more evident when some of these inexperienced WRs come in and still have positive production.

 

[xer0h0ur]

I wonder if CCS is the only NFL based forum in which its users award wins and losses solely to the quarterback without giving any apparent regard for the entire damn team they are a part of.

 

[Newblood]

Uhh learn to read..I responded to someone who said he is playing "way worse" than Cutler.....and again Flacco is better imo...he is more durable and doesn't turn it over at an alarming rate like Jay. Also when he gets to the playoffs, he performs..unlike Cutler

but keep on spouting out Jay leading us to a #2 ranked offense, although it wasn't ranked there prior to his injury...also nice to see you ignore his back up who outperformed him with same team....let me know when he shows up against the Packers

So swinging back to Cutler not being on the same level as Flacco? I think I'm keeping up!

 

[Calabis]

So swinging back to Cutler not being on the same level as Flacco? I think I'm keeping up!

He's not, last time I checked someone performs elite when it counts most. Give Flacco, Forte, Bennett, Marshall and Jeffery and he will outperform Cutler....and I'm sure he will probably play all 16 games

 

[Enasic]

I have to wonder if some of the improvement we are seeing from Cutler is better coaching of the WRs. Seems the WRs are better coached on their reads and scrambling assignments, so Cutler has more confidence in were they are going or going to be. Seems to be more evident when some of these inexperienced WRs come in and still have positive production.

It's possible. I think there's quite a few factors. He's not locking in on a receiver and trying to get the ball to who's open. The offense is also better suited for him. We're running the ball a lot more, we're getting the ball out quicker, we're being way more creative in the play calling. Defenses can't just sit back and pin their ears. I think Jay has also grown a bit as a leader. Kind of hard to explain...I just see a difference in his attitude this season. I think Foxy is holding him more accountable and didn't guarantee him anything in the off-season and it has definitely motivated him. That said, I would like to see him play better...but the OL needs to play a bit better and we need to get healthy. Mainly having Alshon and Royal out there together.

 

[xer0h0ur]

He's not, last time I checked someone performs elite when it counts most. Give Flacco, Forte, Bennett, Marshall and Jeffery and he will outperform Cutler....and I'm sure he will probably play all 16 games

Sure, that may be true about giving him those players and him thriving. However I am hard pressed to believe Flacco (or in reality nearly any other NFL starting quarterback) would have survived the veritable onslaught Cutler withstood over his seasons in Chicago AND remained healthy. There are not many quarterbacks that can take that much of a beating and not miss games.

 

[Newblood]

He's not, last time I checked someone performs elite when it counts most. Give Flacco, Forte, Bennett, Marshall and Jeffery and he will outperform Cutler....and I'm sure he will probably play all 16 games

And yet Cutler has a slightly higher CAREER QB rating. Weird.

But nah, you have me convinced. **** Cutler and his offense. And **** Cutler for letting the Bears have the worst defense in franchise history. And **** him for the franchise not having cheerleaders. **** him for everything Bears related.

I'm with you bro!

 

[wisconsinbearsfan]

I can't even believe people are jumping on the Cutler bandwagon because we got two wins against the Raiders and the Chiefs. People were saying we were the worst team in the NFL after losing to three 2014 playoff teams (2 of 3 in the NFC championship). It was pretty obvious they weren't that bad. And it's still pretty obvious we aren't that good after beating the Raiders and Chiefs.

I will start calling Cutler elite when he proves himself against Aaron Rodgers. He'd have to win quite a few to make up for what he's done (1-12 record (.077), 243 for 424 (57.3%), 2,986 yards, 16 TDs (3.8%), 24 Ints (5.7%), 66.1 passer rating). You can blame our defense (although you can't blame them for Cutler's shitty play), but the reason our defense has been so horrid is because the Bears front office tried to change their team from defensive-minded to offensive-mind when they acquired Marc Trestman as the head coach and tried to win games on the arm of Cutler. Our defense was already getting way too old Lovie's final year in Chicago.

Combined with Phil Emery's horrible drafting since 2007, the veterans we lost on our defense when Lovie left town, and Emery's abysmal choice to sign Cutler to a costly 7 year deal, it's easy to see why the Bears' defense is terrible. It's not Cutler's fault. The fault lies on the Bears' previous front office. I'm not going to blame Cutler when Phil Emery decided to give a middle-of-the-pack quarterback elite money. Cutler had already proven who he was before that contract. He's not going to be the type of quarterback who is going to go on a winning streak and take your team deep into the postseason. No, he's going to win a few games and crap away a few games (especially against the Packers). Nothing has changed even a little bit regarding Cutler.

 

[Newblood]

I can't even believe people are jumping on the Cutler bandwagon because we got two wins against the Raiders and the Chiefs. People were saying we were the worst team in the NFL after losing to three 2014 playoff teams (2 of 3 in the NFC championship). It was pretty obvious they weren't that bad. And it's still pretty obvious we aren't that good after beating the Raiders and Chiefs.

I will start calling Cutler elite when he proves himself against Aaron Rodgers. He'd have to win quite a few to make up for what he's done (1-12 record (.077), 243 for 424 (57.3%), 2,986 yards, 16 TDs (3.8%), 24 Ints (5.7%), 66.1 passer rating). You can blame our defense (although you can't blame them for Cutler's shitty play), but the reason our defense has been so horrid is because the Bears front office tried to change their team from defensive-minded to offensive-mind when they acquired Marc Trestman as the head coach and tried to win games on the arm of Cutler. Our defense was already getting way too old Lovie's final year in Chicago.

Combined with Phil Emery's horrible drafting since 2007, the veterans we lost on our defense when Lovie left town, and Emery's abysmal choice to sign Cutler to a costly 7 year deal, it's easy to see why the Bears' defense is terrible. It's not Cutler's fault. The fault lies on the Bears' previous front office. I'm not going to blame Cutler when Phil Emery decided to give a middle-of-the-pack quarterback elite money. Cutler had already proven who he was before that contract. He's not going to be the type of quarterback who is going to go on a winning streak and take your team deep into the postseason. No, he's going to win a few games and crap away a few games (especially against the Packers). Nothing has changed even a little bit regarding Cutler.

You chose to live in Wisconsin, your decision making/opinions can't be trusted here.

 

[Calabis]

And yet Cutler has a slightly higher CAREER QB rating. Weird.

But nah, you have me convinced. **** Cutler and his offense. And **** Cutler for letting the Bears have the worst defense in franchise history. And **** him for the franchise not having cheerleaders. **** him for everything Bears related.

I'm with you bro!

QB rating? Except in the playoffs.....also let's not leave out turnovers and games missed...I'm sure Cutler leads in those categories too

Also since you have rating so high...Flacco has two seasons of 90+...Jay..umm zero

Cutler has played 6 more games than Flacco...yet he has 38 more ints than Flacco...but hell we know turnovers don't mean shit in games, at least to Cutler fans

 

[Newblood]

QB rating? Except in the playoffs.....also let's not leave out turnovers and games missed...I'm sure Cutler leads in those categories too

Dude I'm with you. You already convinced me. **** everything Cutler. He is the reason everything goes bad.

Flacco couldn't rely on a good defense to help him get to the playoffs those years, unlike that ******, Cutler. Flacco did it all on his own.

And good thing QB rating isn't weighted on games played. Am I right bro?

Pop quiz: I have 10 apples, I give you half. What percent of my apples did I give you?
OK now I have 500 apples (crazy right?) and I once again, give you half. What percent of my apples did I give you?

 

[3rd N Long]

Talent wise PIB, Cutler is elite.....result wise, Flacco is better, why.... he isn't a walking turnover waiting to happen, also he was able to sustain elite play at times

2013-2015 stats for Flacco / Cutler

Games played

37 Flacco
30 Cutler

Pass Attempts

1362 Flacco
1049 Cutler

Completions

827 Flacco
674 Cutler

Completion %

.607
.642

Passing Yards

9160 Flacco
7311 Cutler

Passing TD

52 Flacco
53 Cutler

Interceptions

39 Flacco
33 Cutler

TD %

3.8 Flacco
5.0 Cutler

INT %

2.8% Flacco
3.1% Cutler

Yards gained per pass attempt

6.7 Flacco
7.0 Cutler

Fumbles

17 Flacco
20 Cutler

Sacks

75 Flacco
64 Cutler

Sack %

5.2 Flacco
5.7 Cutler

Career QB Rating

84.6 Flacco
85.2 Cutler

For a game manager Flacco rating should much higher than it is. Especially one with a stout defense watching his back and not always having to play from behind.

As for comparing the 2 QB's I suppose we could compare Cutler 2014 season to Flacco 2013 season. Of the last 3 those in particular represent the most combined INT/Fumbles for them.

2013 Flacco

19 passing TD
1 rushing TD
22 INT
8 Fumbles

20 TD / 30 turnovers

2014 Cutler

28 TD
2 Rushing TD
18 INT
12 fumbles

30 TD / 30 Turnovers

Yeah going by those numbers, I would say its pretty clear that Cutler is the king of turnovers in the NFL the last few years. There is no way Cutler's cap hit should be anywhere near as high as Flacco's this year or in the coming years.

2015 cap hits and dead cap

$14.5 million & $36.4 million Flacco
$16.5 million & $29.5 million Cutler

2016 cap hits and dead cap

$28.5 million & $25.8 million Flacco
$17.0 million & $13.0 million Cutler

2017 cap hits and dead cap

$31.1 million & $15.3 million Flacco
$16.0 million & $2.0 million Cutler

2018 cap hits and dead cap

$24.7 million & $4.7 million Flacco
$17.0 million & $1.0 million Cutler

2015 overall QB cap hit rankings

12th Flacco
8th Cutler

2016 overall QB cap hit rankings

2nd Flacco
15th Cutler

2017 overall QB cap hit rankings

1st Flacco
15th Cutler

2018 overall QB cap hit rankings

2nd Flacco
14th Cutler

Enjoy the free stat and salary comparison info.

 

[3rd N Long]

QB rating? Except in the playoffs.....also let's not leave out turnovers and games missed...I'm sure Cutler leads in those categories too

Also since you have rating so high...Flacco has two seasons of 90+...Jay..umm zero

Cutler has played 6 more games than Flacco...yet he has 38 more ints than Flacco...but hell we know turnovers don't mean shit in games, at least to Cutler fans

Make sure to read all my stats in my previous post just now. They go over the turnovers the last 3 years. Educate yourself and enjoy the read.

 

[xer0h0ur]

I don't understand why people can't view him for what he is instead of assuming people are absolving him of his obvious flaws or going the exact opposite direction (equally as full potato) and claiming he needs to be elite to get respect. Both are Special person sentiments.