Justin Fields “BOMBSHELL” News!!!

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So basically this guy says that it’s an elaborate smoke screen and then just exposes his buddies plans on a random Twitter interview? I’d kick him out of the barber shop for life.
Why? It can be denied. This all to keep people guessing. Lying season. Like people say the Bears are getting a haul or Fields isn't worth shit. Everybody is bullshitting to either increase or decrease trade values.
 

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Imagine if @Mighty Joe Young is right about all his insane talk lol. He'd be an intuitive master in my book, and I'd hop on board his conspiracy train after that.
 

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I'm convinced. You can't beat barber shop info. Done deal.

Them all sounding drunk further seals it. Shit's like truth serum.
 

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Imagine if @Mighty Joe Young is right about all his insane talk lol. He'd be an intuitive master in my book, and I'd hop on board his conspiracy train after that.

The problem is that people have forgotten how to think critically. Any sort of outside the box or critical thinking is treated like conspiracy theory which speaks to how our country has literally become the movie Idiocracy.

The shit that's going on right now is leverage 101 and is the most basic of Leverage Ploys, and even more so, while not done with the first overall pick necessarily, is something that has been seen every year or just about in the NFL draft with teams with high picks who want to trade down and maximize the value. There's a reason they call it lying season.

So while you guys are here talking like I'm crazy and talking out of my ass, all I did was historically look at how teams treated their draft picks in past drafts when they wanted to trade down and what they did in order to maximize that Leverage, which usually meant using and abusing completely a media who is just in it for the clicks anyway.

I still don't know if I'm 100% right but my gut feeling is telling me this is going to end up with us trading the first overall pick.
 

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The problem is that people have forgotten how to think critically. Any sort of outside the box or critical thinking is treated like conspiracy theory which speaks to how our country has literally become the movie Idiocracy.

The shit that's going on right now is leverage 101 and is the most basic of Leverage Ploys, and even more so, while not done with the first overall pick necessarily, is something that has been seen every year or just about in the NFL draft with teams with high picks who want to trade down and maximize the value. There's a reason they call it lying season.

So while you guys are here talking like I'm crazy and talking out of my ass, all I did was historically look at how teams treated their draft picks in past drafts when they wanted to trade down and what they did in order to maximize that Leverage, which usually meant using and abusing completely a media who is just in it for the clicks anyway.

I still don't know if I'm 100% right but my gut feeling is telling me this is going to end up with us trading the first overall pick.
I get it. I'm with you 100% on the state of the country and how conspiracy theories of the past have come to light, yet most people don't even realize. We are living in an Idiocracy-like world and reality is satire. I also understand your thinking from a strategic element in regards to the current situation of the Bears.

But... how could a franchise come to the logical, analytical conclusion that bringing back one of the worst statistical QBs in the league--that can't process well, doesn't anticipate throws, has limited pocket awareness, has a low completion percentage, a terrible sack rate, terrible turnover rate, and a terrible record--is better than picking a potential franchise changing QB at 1?
 

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If Poles trades that pick he will overtake Ryan Pace for the biggest draft blunder in the history of Chicago sports. This decision is not hard,Fields will always be mediocre.
If you are wrong about Caleb and he sucks, I assume everyone waits to see which QB turns out to be good and then still calls Poles an idiot?

Wouldn't he be an even bigger idiot if Fields goes to a team with a good OLine and receivers and suddenly has probowl numbers?

So many over the top opinions out there.
 

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while not done with the first overall pick necessarily

OK let's try some of that critical thinking.

Fields is our guy or Williams is our guy. There is no amount of offers that's going to change that.

If you're wishy washy on both players you stick with the one you know. It's never going to be make me an offer I can't refuse to change my mind about the OK player I'm good with to take the player I think would be equal.

If you want the money for #1 it takes a player like Williams and many teams bidding for him. That is why it's not done with the #1 QB.

You're not keeping a 1st round QB on his rookie contract and getting another rookie QB at #1 to make one a backup. The only smokescreen is in fan's minds trying to rationalize what they want to believe.
 

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So basically this guy says that it’s an elaborate smoke screen and then just exposes his buddies plans on a random Twitter interview? I’d kick him out of the barber shop for life.
Only after, giving him a f'd up haircut
 

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I get it. I'm with you 100% on the state of the country and how conspiracy theories of the past have come to light, yet most people don't even realize. We are living in an Idiocracy-like world and reality is satire. I also understand your thinking from a strategic element in regards to the current situation of the Bears.

But... how could a franchise come to the logical, analytical conclusion that bringing back one of the worst statistical QBs in the league--that can't process well, doesn't anticipate throws, has limited pocket awareness, has a low completion percentage, a terrible sack rate, terrible turnover rate, and a terrible record--is better than picking a potential franchise changing QB at 1?

Well I really haven't made this argument in a while but when you look at where things were, you have a quarterback Who has been under two really horrendous offensive Minds in Matt Nagy and Luke Getsy, has been behind an offensive line that has been horrible for most of his career, was on the team for a season when they completely tore everything down to the studs as part of year one of the rebuild and yet all of those stats are still held against him, when most people refer to him statistically, they always exclude his running totals and ignore the total yards in favor of just passing yards when he is a dual threat quarterback ( combining and looking at the total yards makes him look a lot better), he still has one of the best deep balls in the game and can put it on a dime, and his mental makeup has allowed him to perform in the city without cracking, which is something most quarterbacks cannot say when they come to play for Chicago.

When you think about it, sometimes if there's great quarterback playing college but the player is on a really bad team, fans who want him drafted will make all the excuses in the world for him. But when that same player has some flashes of really amazing things but he's stuck on a bad team in the NFL they don't get the same benefit of the doubt.

Fields has been stuck in a cycle of bullshit for a while that has done no favors to his career and even while having to deal with all that has still shown flashes of something special.

The people who want to keep Justin are simply the people who want to see what he can do with a complete team around him and an offensive coordinator that lets him do what he does best rather than trying to force him into his weaker areas which is exactly what both previous offensive coordinators did.

When you look at Miami and what their head coach did for Tua, you can see that coaching matters.
 

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OK let's try some of that critical thinking.

Fields is our guy or Williams is our guy. There is no amount of offers that's going to change that.

If you're wishy washy on both players you stick with the one you know. It's never going to be make me an offer I can't refuse to change my mind about the OK player I'm good with to take the player I think would be equal.

If you want the money for #1 it takes a player like Williams and many teams bidding for him. That is why it's not done with the #1 QB.

You're not keeping a 1st round QB on his rookie contract and getting another rookie QB at #1 to make one a backup. The only smokescreen is in fan's minds trying to rationalize what they want to believe.

See right off the bat your premise is showing you're not thinking critically. Regardless of what the fans want, Ryan poles is the decision maker. One of the reasons I am still uncertain on fields is that it's entirely possible that Ryan trades the first overall pick for more picks, and values a quarterback other than justin or Caleb or even Drake Maye. He might trade the first overall pick and Fields...

If you're going to think critically, you have to take yourself out of the fan perspective and put yourself in the perspective of a GM considering every possibility. And then look at the actions and behaviors around the team and some of the things that have been quoted and try to work backwards from that.
 

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Wouldn't he be an even bigger idiot if Fields goes to a team with a good OLine and receivers and suddenly has probowl numbers?

He would still be an equal sized idiot for wasting years 2 and 3 for that same QB and not getting oline and WRs because he wanted to stockpile DBs.
Had he removed all doubt he could get another haul for #1.

This is the fun part, we can play 20/20 hindsight on the players he could've got vs the players he did get and how they all worked out.
The DBs he got didn't do much without pass rush. The defense he focused on not only didn't have much to defend they didn't do much to defend it when they did.

If it turns out that Fields is great Poles is just an idiot no matter how Williams turns out.
 

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@Mighty Joe Young I don't need stats to base my opinion on Fields. I've watched every game. His weaknesses are so detrimental to a team's chance of making a run to a Super Bowl. No primary running QB has ever won a Super Bowl.

You can't win with a QB that doesn't process defenses well, and has poor pocket awareness. He is a one read QB that runs well with a good deep ball. You can create an offense around him OR pick the guy #1 overall who has elite grades in all aspects of the position. And yes, of course CW could bust, but the same critiques on Fields coming out of college are the same deficiencies still hindering Fields's production.
 

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With the number 1 pick you should take the best player in the draft which just happens to be MHJ not Caleb Williams. Poles should be trading down with Washington since they will overpay to get the hometown kid. Then you can see if NE wants to secure their guy so you can drop to 3 and grab MHJ even if it’s only for a couple day 2 picks. Depth is huge in the NFL and you don’t build depth with so few picks. You need to layer your depth on rookie contracts to have the best chance of success.
 

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Don't believe or want but I'd certainly respect the level of game... especially if Poles told Fields to throw the 4th quarters. GANGSTA!!
 
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@Mighty Joe Young I don't need stats to base my opinion on Fields. I've watched every game. His weaknesses are so detrimental to a team's chance of making a run to a Super Bowl. No primary running QB has ever won a Super Bowl.

You can't win with a QB that doesn't process defenses well, and has poor pocket awareness. He is a one read QB that runs well with a good deep ball. You can create an offense around him OR pick the guy #1 overall who has elite grades in all aspects of the position. And yes, of course CW could bust, but the same critiques on Fields coming out of college are the same deficiencies still hindering Fields's production.

Go back and watch some of his college film. In college he was primarily a passer and rarely ran.

This is some of the context that I think people miss - Justin ended up being a "running quarterback" out of necessity because his offensive line was shit. And because people really lack the knowledge of how to evaluate an offensive line, they kept making excuses for the poor offensive line play and put it all on Justin.

I am not here to tell you that he is a perfect quarterback. There is no such thing. Even the great Tom Brady had flaws in his game.

But the Bears never had an offensive line that would allow Justin to play to his strengths nor did they call a Playbook that catered to what he does well passing wise.

I think you may have watched all the games but you watched it through a very myopic lens. You need a broader perspective.
 

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