Justin Fields breakdown

[ijustposthere]

If Fields is sitting there at 4, I think two teams would've made a mistake, and I'd advocate the Bears giving up the house for the guy.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

That inability to see the blitz worries me.

That was the same thing that doomed Rex Grossman.

 

[jerkstore]

I’d love to get him, but I honestly don’t know why Atlanta would pass on taking a QB this year.

In regards to Fields’ apparent slide, I can’t help but think that there’s some racism shit at work here. Now I doubt that idea will play well on this board, but that’s how I read it. Fields should be QB2.

 

[gallagher]

I’d love to get him, but I honestly don’t know why Atlanta would pass on taking a QB this year.

In regards to Fields’ apparent slide, I can’t help but think that there’s some racism shit at work here. Now I doubt that idea will play well on this board, but that’s how I read it. Fields should be QB2.

I am sure there is some racism somewhere that affects the rankings, but there is plenty of non-racist stuff that I think gives more context to the "fall" of Fields as a prospect.

If the draft happened right after the season, you know Fields would be QB2. The rise and fall of lesser prospects that happens in between is because everyone is looking for that rising star that didnt get enough attention during the season for whatever reason. Wilson played for a lesser program against lesser competition, while OSU games are on TV every damn week for a lot of fans. People see whole games of Fields to diagnose, and highlight reels and pro day throws for Wilson. It is easy to get fooled by that.

Now, I dont believe in QBs from Ohio State, so I am not enthused about the idea of drafting Fields. But he is by far the second best prospect in this draft.

 

[Black Rainbow]

I’d love to get him, but I honestly don’t know why Atlanta would pass on taking a QB this year.

In regards to Fields’ apparent slide, I can’t help but think that there’s some racism shit at work here. Now I doubt that idea will play well on this board, but that’s how I read it. Fields should be QB2.

At this point I think it's the media creating stories for clicks and nothing more.

If the Jets take Wilson over Fields - it's going to raise some eyebrows.

Fields can do everything Wilson can do and more, and he did it at a school that plays real opponents and not Army and Navy.

 

[nc0gnet0]

I am sure there is some racism somewhere that affects the rankings, but there is plenty of non-racist stuff that I think gives more context to the "fall" of Fields as a prospect.

If the draft happened right after the season, you know Fields would be QB2. The rise and fall of lesser prospects that happens in between is because everyone is looking for that rising star that didnt get enough attention during the season for whatever reason. Wilson played for a lesser program against lesser competition, while OSU games are on TV every damn week for a lot of fans. People see whole games of Fields to diagnose, and highlight reels and pro day throws for Wilson. It is easy to get fooled by that.

Now, I dont believe in QBs from Ohio State, so I am not enthused about the idea of drafting Fields. But he is by far the second best prospect in this draft.

Now, I dont believe in QBs from Ohio State, so I am not enthused about the idea of drafting Fields. But he is by far the second best prospect in this draft.

I have never understood that line of thinking. Different individuals, coached by different coach's, yet somehow tied together in evaluation because of 2-3 years of geography? The opposing argument, the fact that no good QB has ever come from OSU, therefore they are "due" to have a great one makes as much sense.

Tom Brady came from Michigan. Pretty much every QB from there since then has sucked major ass.

 

[Luke]

At this point I think it's the media creating stories for clicks and nothing more.

If the Jets take Wilson over Fields - it's going to raise some eyebrows.

Fields can do everything Wilson can do and more, and he did it at a school that plays real opponents and not Army and Navy.

Charlie Casserly asked 23 NFL GM's to rank to QB's 1-5.
All 23 voted Lawrence 1st and all 23 voted Wilson 2nd.
The 3rd place votes were divided up as Fields 12, Lance 7, and Jones 4.
I assume the other 9 teams were QB needy and did not respond.

 

[ijustposthere]

Now, I dont believe in QBs from Ohio State, so I am not enthused about the idea of drafting Fields. But he is by far the second best prospect in this draft.

I have never understood that line of thinking. Different individuals, coached by different coach's, yet somehow tied together in evaluation because of 2-3 years of geography? The opposing argument, the fact that no good QB has ever come from OSU, therefore they are "due" to have a great one makes as much sense.

Tom Brady came from Michigan. Pretty much every QB from there since then has sucked major ass.

Agreed. All Texas Tech QBs were trash until Mahomes came along. I think Fields looks way more prepared than guys like Haskins/Jones/Pryor did before him. Not that that means he'll be any good.

 

[Milky]

I am sure there is some racism somewhere that affects the rankings, but there is plenty of non-racist stuff that I think gives more context to the "fall" of Fields as a prospect.

If the draft happened right after the season, you know Fields would be QB2. The rise and fall of lesser prospects that happens in between is because everyone is looking for that rising star that didnt get enough attention during the season for whatever reason. Wilson played for a lesser program against lesser competition, while OSU games are on TV every damn week for a lot of fans. People see whole games of Fields to diagnose, and highlight reels and pro day throws for Wilson. It is easy to get fooled by that.

Now, I dont believe in QBs from Ohio State, so I am not enthused about the idea of drafting Fields. But he is by far the second best prospect in this draft.

People knocked Mahomes for playing at TT. I’m not saying Fields is Mahomes but to use the fact that he played at OSU against him is silly IMO.
He is a way better prospect than Haskins, Cardale Jones, Pryor, etc…

 

[Milky]

Agreed. All Texas Tech QBs were trash until Mahomes came along. I think Fields looks way more prepared than guys like Haskins/Jones/Pryor did before him. Not that that means he'll be any good.

Literally just stole my entire thought and got it posted before me… well done!!?

 

[Wild_x_Card]

Considering Rhule coached Jones in the senior bowl, do you think there might be some correlation between the SF trade up to #3 followed by the Panthers acquiring Darnold about a week later?

Anything is possible I suppose. It's also possible Car had inquired about trading up to 4 or 5 and got shot down and Darnold was plan B. I like Jones, I think he has a chance to be a good QB. But in that division why hedge your bets on good. If S.F takes him I think it will be a mistake in the long run. Not because they won't win games or even have some playoff success but because they won't have a difference maker to put them over the top.

I personally put a grand on Fields at -250. I've only bet the draft a few times in my life with 100 percent success rate thus far against the favorite.

 

[run and shoot]

Agreed. All Texas Tech QBs were trash until Mahomes came along. I think Fields looks way more prepared than guys like Haskins/Jones/Pryor did before him. Not that that means he'll be any good.

From what I've seen after watching decades of football ....where a Qb goes and who's coaching him..... is the most important thing

 

[vabearsfan15]

You can clearly see him going through his progressions in the first two GIF’s. Also, one of the big knocks on Fields is that he doesn’t take off and run enough. He tends to try and buy time in the pocket for too long to make a throw rather than taking an available running lane.

Aside from all the other gifs where he doesn't even attempt a 2nd read, those first two gifs he takes off and runs. Which is my point. He is a one read guy or take off and run.

Its the mindset of, follow the script or abandon the play. Not gonna work out as often in the NFL where defenses are more disguised and quicker to close the gaps. To me, the more successful QBs in the NFL differentiate themselves by making multiple progressions, seeing the whole field, and making the best decision.

 

[Visionman]

Aside from all the other gifs where he doesn't even attempt a 2nd read, those first two gifs he takes off and runs. Which is my point. He is a one read guy or take off and run.

Its the mindset of, follow the script or abandon the play. Not gonna work out as often in the NFL where defenses are more disguised and quicker to close the gaps. To me, the more successful QBs in the NFL differentiate themselves by making multiple progressions, seeing the whole field, and making the best decision.

So what if the best decision is to run???

 

[Warrior Spirit]

I don't always agree with Fahey but he's not wrong here. It's just hard to know how they translate moving up. Fields has become the forgotten QB in this draft and could turn out the best. His college tape doesn't indicate that but some guys just grow. Here's something I found that is quite critical as would be more common in scouting reports as opposed to things presented to the general public. I think what's important here is that at the end, he grades him well enough and says he could be anything from an A to D level player. It just shows how difficult it is to draft QBs.

https://assets-global.website-files.com/5988f684fda8db00017f4dee/60083cdd60aa6d31fb5e0e79_CFM21_QB_Fields_Justin.pdf

He hasn't been forgotten. His stock has fallen as he's been put under the microscope. OP is just about blowing smoke. Fields is a 1 read, get open by 10 yards and I'll throw it to you, type QB.

 

[vabearsfan15]

So what if the best decision is to run???

Sometimes running is the best decision. Sometimes throwing to 2nd or 3rd progression is. But with the gifs that were shared all I see are 1st read throws where he stared down his guy or runs. Nothing else. As an NFL QB I need to see this skillset. Until then I have my doubts

 

[vanavyman]

Sometimes running is the best decision. Sometimes throwing to 2nd or 3rd progression is. But with the gifs that were shared all I see are 1st read throws where he stared down his guy or runs. Nothing else. As an NFL QB I need to see this skillset. Until then I have my doubts

I've seen several where he gets to his 3rd or 4th read. It has been stated that in the Ohio State offense it takes longer and his options are less than in some offenses. Like with a lot of QBs there are some absolutely great plays out there on this 2nd and 3rd read. There are some you have to scratch your head and wonder. The Chicago Bears have NEVER had a QB with half his talent. I doubt Chicago trades up for him or Atlanta takes him but in 3-4 years several members of this board will be looking for their blog entries saying they liked him when he is a top 5 QB in the NFL like Watson and Mahomes.

 

[run and shoot]

Justin Fields


Strengths:

• Tremendous skill set
• Accurate passer
• Good arm strength
• Can make all the throws
• Can fire fastballs into tight windows
• Throws with quality timing and anticipation in rhythm
• Aggressive to push the ball downfield
• Hits receivers on the run
• Throws receivers open
• Leads receivers for more yardage after the catch
• Able to loft in touch passes
• Throws a very catchable ball
• Throws into tight windows
• Athleticism
• Elite mobility
• Dynamic runner in the open field
• Dangerous passer on the run
• Can throw off platform
• Good speed for a quarterback
• Avoided turnovers overall
• Upside

Overall, Fields does a good job of protecting the football and avoiding interceptions. He typically makes good decisions, and with his ability to locate the ball, he does not regularly provide a defense with the opportunity to take the ball away. Fields does a nice job of moving his eyes while scrambling and is cognizant to look downfield for receivers uncovering. When he gets rattled by blitzes though, he can drop his eyes. For the most part, Fields does a respectable job of seeing the field while moving. He also throws accurately on the run.



With his skill set and passing ability, Fields has the tools to be a franchise quarterback and a good NFL starter. He could use more development, so going to a good coaching staff will be critical for him to pan out as a pro.




- WalterFootball

 

[vabearsfan15]

I've seen several where he gets to his 3rd or 4th read. It has been stated that in the Ohio State offense it takes longer and his options are less than in some offenses. Like with a lot of QBs there are some absolutely great plays out there on this 2nd and 3rd read. There are some you have to scratch your head and wonder. The Chicago Bears have NEVER had a QB with half his talent. I doubt Chicago trades up for him or Atlanta takes him but in 3-4 years several members of this board will be looking for their blog entries saying they liked him when he is a top 5 QB in the NFL like Watson and Mahomes.

All because he didn't have to make multiple progressions at Ohio State, does it mean you stare down one guy like he does. You pretend to scan the field look off defenders, and keep an eye on your first read with peripheral vision. It's a bad habit to stare guys down regardless of the gameplan.

and Top 5 QB?!?! Lol...he looks to be barely top 5 in his draft class after scouts have turned on the tape. He would be the most athletic QB we ever had by a longshot, but aside from that I don't see him having that much more potential as a passer.

 

[run and shoot]

Justin fields....
It looks like he's doing ok getting to his 2nd reads. But if the first read is there go with it. I could be wrong



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