Justin Herbert 2.0

[TezMaKai]

Instead of thinking “wow, if that guy who is really fucking good can struggle like this then what does that say about our boy who kinda blew dicks this year?” Bears fans are doing their absolutely double patented signature move of boldly declaring <insert shit quarterback here> will have a better year than <instert really good quarterback who just had a bad playoff game here>.

Caleb Williams will need to improve more than any player in the history of the position has ever improved in one season to even be in this position next year.

Is this guy really this stupid? Lol

 

[Sparks500]

Instead of thinking “wow, if that guy who is really fucking good can struggle like this then what does that say about our boy who kinda blew dicks this year?” Bears fans are doing their absolutely double patented signature move of boldly declaring <insert shit quarterback here> will have a better year than <instert really good quarterback who just had a bad playoff game here>.

Caleb Williams will need to improve more than any player in the history of the position has ever improved in one season to even be in this position next year.

So, there’s a chance…….

 

[HeHateMe]

Is this guy really this stupid! Lol

Lol pontificating in an old ass thread like it was made this afternoon, and treating some bad takes as some sort of bears fan monolith. Not a lot of oxygen way up there above it all lmfao

 

[Anytime23]

Nice! What kind of pies?

Bad

 

[HeHateMe]

Bad

Feels bad man. Found some packages of caramel chocolate chip dough from some fundraiser for my kids school orchestra in my deep freezer under a bunch of ribeyes 5 minutes ago. In 13 minutes got some more COOKIES fresh baked!

@Hawkeye OG
@mecha
@cameronkrazie86

 

[HeHateMe]

Feels bad man. Found some packages of caramel chocolate chip dough from some fundraiser for my kids school orchestra in my deep freezer under a bunch of ribeyes 5 minutes ago. In 13 minutes got some more COOKIES fresh baked!

@Hawkeye OG
@mecha
@cameronkrazie86

@mecha These cookies were trash. But I'm still gonna be a cookie guy.

 

[--CyBear--]

CW will be Herbert 2.0...dominant stats, but a Favre type guy, without reaching elite levels of play like Favre did. A good QB that never gets over that hurdle


PS.....hope I'm wrong as ****, because CW shows special ability at times....I just think the franchise will destroy him

I think your wrong as he's shown the opposite this year. So far he's not a stats collector with a few game winning drives that had his coaches lose those games for him. Kinda the opposite of what Herbert does.

 

[Midway Fields]

he can put up all the stats in the world but he'll need some playoff success and to stay healthy. Injuries have really derailed him.

30+ points against a top 3 point D tonight btw

Rut roh

 

[Anytime23]

Rut roh

Did I say something that was wrong?

 

[Midway Fields]

Did I say something that was wrong?

No, you were spot on. I just happened to read it the day after Herbert threw more interceptions in a playoff game than he did all season.

 

[Calabis]

I think your wrong as he's shown the opposite this year. So far he's not a stats collector with a few game winning drives that had his coaches lose those games for him. Kinda the opposite of what Herbert does.

I'm glad you think that

 

[--CyBear--]

I'm glad you think that

What were you watching?

It's because I actually watched the games and saw the coaches call the wrong play, waste a time outs in confusion nor conserve clock at the end of games when Caleb took them down the field and in position to win.

Caleb gets blasted on a great deep pass on a late drive and no time out is called. TO should have been called on a 50 yd inbound pass with under 1 min. either way. Caleb gathers himself and does his best but it was ridiculous situation. They run out of time in a huge WTF when the could have easily had a bunch more plays to get into FG position?

The Hail Mary after CW brought them back.

Scored a leading TD VS WA with less than 52 sec left. WA wins with a 52 yd bomb as time runs out.

The end of Lions game was mismanaged while Caleb was moving the ball. Calling TOs after incomplete passes due to coaching confusion and letting clock run on inbound plays. It forced poor play calls and desperation as the clock ran out when the Bear only needed a FG. It was like the keystone cops out there and that's coaching.

How about the blocked FGs he put us in position to win games.

Look, I'm not saying he played as well as Jayden or Nicks but he showed plenty enough to be enticing to someone that wants a weapon at the position and knows how to manage an O.

 

[Calabis]

What were you watching?

It's because I actually watched the games and saw the coaches call the wrong play, waste a time outs in confusion nor conserve clock at the end of games when Caleb took them down the field and in position to win.

Caleb gets blasted on a great deep pass on a late drive and no time out is called. TO should have been called on a 50 yd inbound pass with under 1 min. either way. Caleb gathers himself and does his best but it was ridiculous situation. They run out of time in a huge WTF when the could have easily had a bunch more plays to get into FG position?

The Hail Mary after CW brought them back.

Scored a leading TD VS WA with less than 52 sec left. WA wins with a 52 yd bomb as time runs out.

The end of Lions game was mismanaged while Caleb was moving the ball. Calling TOs after incomplete passes due to coaching confusion and letting clock run on inbound plays. It forced poor play calls and desperation as the clock ran out when the Bear only needed a FG. It was like the keystone cops out there and that's coaching.

How about the blocked FGs he put us in position to win games.

Look, I'm not saying he played as well as Jayden or Nicks but he showed plenty enough to be enticing to someone that wants a weapon at the position and knows how to manage an O.

My bad, responded thinking it was about Herbert, which I was referring too

Ref Herbert : I am watching a talented dude ala Cutler, that never can consistently play at a highlevel. So while you do the same thing...blame everyone but him, Ill look at him for what he is...an amazing talent that will never be able to maintain consistency at an elite level.

And reference CW, that was the comment made then, and is what he is currently.....his arrow is pointing up, but he could end up like a Hebert, Cutler guy....a freak talent that never hit consistency at the elite level....and like i said, hope I'm wrong", because he has time to get there

 

[--CyBear--]

My bad, responded thinking it was about Herbert, which I was referring too

Ref Herbert : I am watching a talented dude ala Cutler, that never can consistently play at a highlevel. So while you do the same thing...blame everyone but him, Ill look at him for what he is...an amazing talent that will never be able to maintain consistency at an elite level.

And reference CW, that was the comment made then, and is what he is currently.....his arrow is pointing up, but he could end up like a Hebert, Cutler guy....a freak talent that never hit consistency at the elite level....and like i said, hope I'm wrong", because he has time to get there

Hard to be sure where this goes but he's more creative than Herbert. The thing about CW is that he sometimes seems very aware and other times kinda oblivious to the easy yards. Less so later in the year and I think he needs an OC with more in play rules until he figures it out. He's fine at making it up once things break down.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

CW will be Herbert 2.0...dominant stats, but a Favre type guy, without reaching elite levels of play like Favre did. A good QB that never gets over that hurdle


PS.....hope I'm wrong as ****, because CW shows special ability at times....I just think the franchise will destroy him

I mean - we are WAY too early what Caleb Williams will end up being.

I might put more stock in what you are saying if Caleb was on a good coaching staff this past year with a good offensive line and learning his permanent system, which was a good offensive system.

But absolutely none of that happened.

And in spite of all that, He put up numbers comparable to the favorite for rookie of the Year.

So if one calms down and thinks about this, if he can put up those numbers his rookie year, while still learning on the job, under those extreme conditions - what kind of numbers is he going to put up when all the crap that happened is taken care of and everything is corrected?

Let's not attach what Caleb can be to him just yet.

I think there are far more positives right now than there are negatives.

 

[Noonthirtyjoe]

Already thinking to jump ship on CW is premature as hell. lol. I love Bagent. We always have elite back ups at QB.

 

[--CyBear--]

I mean - we are WAY too early what Caleb Williams will end up being.

I might put more stock in what you are saying if Caleb was on a good coaching staff this past year with a good offensive line and learning his permanent system, which was a good offensive system.

But absolutely none of that happened.

And in spite of all that, He put up numbers comparable to the favorite for rookie of the Year.

So if one calms down and thinks about this, if he can put up those numbers his rookie year, while still learning on the job, under those extreme conditions - what kind of numbers is he going to put up when all the crap that happened is taken care of and everything is corrected?

Let's not attach what Caleb can be to him just yet.

I think there are far more positives right now than there are negatives.

There's #s and play. There's no question that a couple rookie QBs played significantly better. There were reasons beyond the players themselves but it doesn't change that fact.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

There's #s and play. There's no question that a couple rookie QBs played significantly better. There were reasons beyond the players themselves but it doesn't change that fact.

Yep - you are right. And I can toss that right back at you. Caleb went through some struggles, but for the other QBs, did you watch them closely at all? Did they ALL have the WOW plays like Caleb did? Or did some of them (looking at you Bo Nix) just hold down the fort?

And yes, there were a couple players who played better - quarterbacks who had the playbook pared down and the field cut in half.

They are going to struggle in year 2 like CJ Stroud just did. Because you can't fully learn how to read an NFL defense like that - you just end up postponing the learning time it will take.

At least with Caleb, those bumps are out of the way year 1.

Look, Caleb is a rookie on a terrible offense with a terrible scheme. You can't overlook that.

Out of every young QB, I'd make the argument he's the odds on favorite to have the strongest year 2 of the bunch, provided the Bears don't **** up this coaching search and get him a real offensive line.

 

[--CyBear--]

Yep - you are right. And I can toss that right back at you. Caleb went through some struggles, but for the other QBs, did you watch them closely at all? Did they ALL have the WOW plays like Caleb did? Or did some of them (looking at you Bo Nix) just hold down the fort?

And yes, there were a couple players who played better - quarterbacks who had the playbook pared down and the field cut in half.

They are going to struggle in year 2 like CJ Stroud just did. Because you can't fully learn how to read an NFL defense like that - you just end up postponing the learning time it will take.

At least with Caleb, those bumps are out of the way year 1.

Look, Caleb is a rookie on a terrible offense with a terrible scheme. You can't overlook that.

Out of every young QB, I'd make the argument he's the odds on favorite to have the strongest year 2 of the bunch, provided the Bears don't **** up this coaching search and get him a real offensive line.

Nix was 8th in +20 yard passing. 10 more than Daniels. Discounting their play does not make CW better. I think he'll be special enough but he wasn't this year. I like the signs and the player but he's not all that until he's actually all that.

 

[knoxville7]

Already thinking to jump ship on CW is premature as hell. lol. I love Bagent. We always have elite back ups at QB.

he sure can change oil quick!