Kenny Smith analysis Bulls on yahoo sports

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http://sports.yahoo.com/nba

Its a video not an article unfortunately havent watched just yet but i wouldnt doubt he has nothng good to say

 

[ryguy24]

He basically says we aren't a threat to any of the top 3 teams, but it's nice that we'll get experience. He says we might take 1 game, but there's no way we're taking a series. He goes on to say that he thinks the Bulls players will also have alot more individual trade value this offseason as opposed to last.

 

[dynastyVI]

ryguy24 wrote:

He basically says we aren't a threat to any of the top 3 teams, but it's nice that we'll get experience. He says we might take 1 game, but there's no way we're taking a series. He goes on to say that he thinks the Bulls players will also have alot more individual trade value this offseason as opposed to last.

Nothing shocking here. I do hope that everyone's individual value rises so that we can put together a package for a frontcourt star.

 

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Bulleted Summary:

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[li]Bulls can't contend with the big three, but it will be good experience for next year.[/li]
[li]Rose will learn a new intensity in the playoffs, and then he will carry that risen intensity into next season. [/li]
[li]Thinks Brad Miller and John Salmons will be part of the future, and if not, that will be a mistake. Those two brought a calming effect to the team.[/li]
[li]The Bulls have established they have valuable components. Before this year, the components didn't seem as valuable. So now probably in a place where they make a decision where 2-3 guys won't be there. Thinks individually, all players values increased.[/li]
[li]Thinks the Bulls can take a game against the big 3, but not win a series.[/li][/ul]

 

[The Essence of Boerwinkle]

I'm working on a computer with no sound card at the moment. Thanks for the re-cap.

 

[dougthonus]

I didn't listen, but based on the recap, who could really argue with much of that.

The only thing I disagree with is the value of our players rising. Here's the primary players you'd look at:

Deng's value is definitely down.

Gordon's value is probably the same to down (because of the new contract requirement).

Tyrus's value is probably about the same, on court value up, but only 1 year left on rookie deal stops him from being viewed through prospect eyes.

Noah's value is probably up (better play still time on rookie deal)

Hinrich's value is probably up (better play, deal shortening and highest valued years going off)

I think it's more of mixed bag value wise.

 

[Ralphb07]

dougthonus wrote:

I didn't listen, but based on the recap, who could really argue with much of that.

The only thing I disagree with is the value of our players rising. Here's the primary players you'd look at:

Deng's value is definitely down.

Gordon's value is probably the same to down (because of the new contract requirement).

Tyrus's value is probably about the same, on court value up, but only 1 year left on rookie deal stops him from being viewed through prospect eyes.

Noah's value is probably up (better play still time on rookie deal)

Hinrich's value is probably up (better play, deal shortening and highest valued years going off)

I think it's more of mixed bag value wise.

What Kenny is saying is now you know what the young guys bring to your team which he is right.

Teams now know what Tyrus or Noah can give them which wasn't the case prior to this season.

Even though Tyrus has one year on his rookie contract he is actually a NBA player now not just a prospect. For instance IMO Tyrus has more value than a Brandan Wright or Anthony Randolph now because he has playing value now

 

[ryguy24]

Ralphb07 wrote:

dougthonus wrote:

I didn't listen, but based on the recap, who could really argue with much of that.

The only thing I disagree with is the value of our players rising. Here's the primary players you'd look at:

Deng's value is definitely down.

Gordon's value is probably the same to down (because of the new contract requirement).

Tyrus's value is probably about the same, on court value up, but only 1 year left on rookie deal stops him from being viewed through prospect eyes.

Noah's value is probably up (better play still time on rookie deal)

Hinrich's value is probably up (better play, deal shortening and highest valued years going off)

I think it's more of mixed bag value wise.

What Kenny is saying is now you know what the young guys bring to your team which he is right.

Teams now know what Tyrus or Noah can give them which wasn't the case prior to this season.

Even though Tyrus has one year on his rookie contract he is actually a NBA player now not just a prospect. For instance IMO Tyrus has more value than a Brandan Wright or Anthony Randolph now because he has playing value now

Just to nitpick: Wright for sure, but I don't know about Randolph. He's been producing and teams love him.

 

[Ralphb07]

ryguy24 wrote:

Ralphb07 wrote:

dougthonus wrote:

I didn't listen, but based on the recap, who could really argue with much of that.

The only thing I disagree with is the value of our players rising. Here's the primary players you'd look at:

Deng's value is definitely down.

Gordon's value is probably the same to down (because of the new contract requirement).

Tyrus's value is probably about the same, on court value up, but only 1 year left on rookie deal stops him from being viewed through prospect eyes.

Noah's value is probably up (better play still time on rookie deal)

Hinrich's value is probably up (better play, deal shortening and highest valued years going off)

I think it's more of mixed bag value wise.

What Kenny is saying is now you know what the young guys bring to your team which he is right.

Teams now know what Tyrus or Noah can give them which wasn't the case prior to this season.

Even though Tyrus has one year on his rookie contract he is actually a NBA player now not just a prospect. For instance IMO Tyrus has more value than a Brandan Wright or Anthony Randolph now because he has playing value now

Just to nitpick: Wright for sure, but I don't know about Randolph. He's been producing and teams love him.

I haven't looked at him lately but that proves what I'm saying too than, Randolph is producing and he value is higher. Tyrus this year has more value than Tyrus of last year just because his actual playing value is greater

 

[TheStig]

Nothing shocking here, although I think we will make the series interesting. I don't know anyone who is predicting us to get to the 2nd round.

 

[dougthonus]

What Kenny is saying is now you know what the young guys bring to your team which he is right.

Teams now know what Tyrus or Noah can give them which wasn't the case prior to this season.

I agree with that to an extent. I just think the contract thing is a really big deal. Tyrus's value wasn't high before, and the contract thing keeps it from being high now.

He's one of those guys who looks good, has potential, and likely will end up getting paid way more than he's worth except for the fact that the economy may stop it.

 

[Hendu0520]

I agree, Tyrus' value is definately up vs last year and even though he is coming out of his rookie contract this trade deadline teams were very interested in him. So the market says he is up right now and lately has done nothing to change that. Other than that I agree with Doug, no one else other than Kirk and Noah are really up, Deng is probably untradable right now. We'll see, I wouldn't be mad if the Bulls sign Gordon and wait until mid season next year to think about a trade.

 

[Hendu0520]

Oh and Kenny Smith's tone in the interview was on the negative side. When asked if they are headed in the right direction he himmed and hawed and basically went into the player value thing dodging the question. I would definately say the Bulls are in one of the most promising positions in the league right there with Portland and Atlanta. At least because they got lucky and got Derrick Rose we are right there with anyone. So the answer should have been a confindent yes they have good young talent who's trade value has gone up this season. They are in a great position. (if they had a coach, ha)

 

[dougthonus]

Hendu0520 wrote:

I agree, Tyrus' value is definately up vs last year and even though he is coming out of his rookie contract this trade deadline teams were very interested in him. So the market says he is up right now and lately has done nothing to change that. Other than that I agree with Doug, no one else other than Kirk and Noah are really up, Deng is probably untradable right now. We'll see, I wouldn't be mad if the Bulls sign Gordon and wait until mid season next year to think about a trade.

I think Tyrus is up. I guess it depends though, I don't think he's up since the trade deadline. I think his value decreases from here on out, because the new contract looms, and he's not going to help you THAT much on the court. He's not an all star. You're still buying potential or you're buying just a decent player if you think he's topped out.

However, you'll have to pay him based on potential, because history says if you don't someone else will, though as I said the economy make that less of a problem that it might be in a different time.

 

[dunkside.com]

dougthonus wrote:

I didn't listen, but based on the recap, who could really argue with much of that.

The only thing I disagree with is the value of our players rising. Here's the primary players you'd look at:

Deng's value is definitely down.

Gordon's value is probably the same to down (because of the new contract requirement).

Tyrus's value is probably about the same, on court value up, but only 1 year left on rookie deal stops him from being viewed through prospect eyes.

Noah's value is probably up (better play still time on rookie deal)

Hinrich's value is probably up (better play, deal shortening and highest valued years going off)

I think it's more of mixed bag value wise.

i'd argue he's thinking about the players that are actually playing, contributing to the team, so that would leave deng out.

i'd say gordon's value is also up compared to last season. last season he was part of a lottery team and people forgot his clutch play in previous seasons.

last season i doubt there would have even been talk about a trade for amare with tyrus as the main piece. now there is. so tyrus' value is up.

and in general when a team has success individual values tend to go up.
just ask all the role players off the bulls 3-peat teams that got huge raises on other teams.

 

[collisrost]

I think one change is who might be interested in some of our players. I think for instance with Tyrus, last yuear only teams that were looking at rebuilding would want to trade for him. This year, he's shown that he can do it now and teams on the way up already would like to have him on board as well. Same goes for Noah. I think in general when you're somewhat a proven quantity a lot more teams can fill their needs with you, whereas when you're unproven the only realistic type of trade is a situation where a team wants to dump its established talent and start over.

 

[dlrob315]

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[CLWolf81]

Always a tough and fun matchup....



I can see the Hawks winning this one. The Caps look a tad out of place right now.

 

[IceHogsFan]

Look for one of our own sitting on glass behind Caps bench in white jersey. Thats right FiveMinutes4Fightinwill be thers taunting Ovie, in his own words "dangling a bottle of vodka." He said he is there with a buddy also in a white Hawks jersey.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Nice IHF!!



I think the Hawks win this one as well.



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