Kid brings pellet gun to school, pwned by police

[TSD]

http://news.yahoo.co...-234525229.html





Surprised no one posted this one its been out for awhile.



The Pellet gun looked real, the kid was saying he was going to kill a bunch of people and brandished the weapon at police.



The Parents are saying "something else could have been done other than killing him".



My thoughts are this. The number one complaint about columbine in regard to police was the inaction of the police department. If the cops try to wound him and its a real gun and he ended up killing one or more students....what then? Then the police have to answer as to why the cops didnt act appropriately and save their child from some psycho.



The fact it was "only a pellet gun" is irrelevant in this case. I think the parents are looking too far into that. You can't tell from a distance whether its a pellet gun or real gun, especially in that stressful situation. If it were a real gun would the parents be ok with it?



Its really a catch 22 for the police. I think they acted appropriately given the context of the situation at the time. When some kid is walking around with a gun (or what is at least precieved to be a real gun) and making threats, he just gave up his right to live. Any and all avenues to protect the other children should take priority, even if that means going right for the kill shot on the suspect.





I dont get why I ever even look at the yahoo comments, the idiocy never fails to enrage me. People just don't see the big picture and the potential variables. All that matters in this situation is protecting the other students.

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

You beat me to it.



No matter how this event plays out, people will figure out how to blame others without looking at the situation.

I've been reading into this, and since the kid was brown-colored, they're trying to make it a racial thing.

It's very simple: Kid has a weapon, doesn't give it up when demanded by police. Police air condition him. I have no problem with this.



If the kid was troubled, fine. No reason to stress out others by creating that situation. No matter what the outcome is, no one really wins.

 

[MassHavoc]

It should be known nationwide at told and ingrained into parents head that if a kid takes a weapon to a school, threatens people with it. It looks like a real gun, and looks like a real threat. The the appropriate amount of force will be used in response. And that amount of force is the same as if it was a real gun. It doesn't matter if it is or not, the threat of it being creates the response. At this point, to me it's the parents fault for a lot of things. And I'm so tired of parents trying to skirt the blame for everything in their life. It's tragic, and you hope that it could have turned out differently. But it could have gone down differently if the kid had a real gun. What then? Would the parent be complaining that they didn't have to kill the kid because the gun wasn't loaded, or that the they didn't have to kill the kid because he only hated gingers and their were none in the room, or that they didn't have to kill the kid because he wouldn't actually hurt anyone, or that they didn't have to hurt the kid because he was just immitating his favorite video game. 99% of the time I feel like this shit comes up because they want someone or something to blame other than themselves because it takes these extreme circumstances for them to realize that they have probably done something wrong themselves to create the situation.

 

[TSD]

Seriously, with the school shootings since columbine, do you really think the cops are gonna **** around anymore, and have to answer to the parents of innocent children that were killed by some psycho kid, because the police were fucking around trying to find a non-violent resolution? ****.

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

Mass, that kid could have the best informed parents in the country-- it still can't prevent what happened.

The kid chose to do this. It always makes me laugh when some one chimes in with "Where were the parents?"

They were probably doing what the rest of the parents were doing. Working.



I also don't see why anyone would need to have that conversation:

"Now remember Billy, if you take a gun to school and act a fool, you may not come back to mommy and daddy tonight."

I don't remember my father giving that sage-like speech to me when I was in 8th grade.

 

[supraman]

1.) The gene pool was cleaned up a bit

2.) As much as I am against a police state but an officer's duty is to protect the innocent and himself. If he thinks either the innocent or himself is in danger he has the right to use deadly force.

3.) No I don't feel bad for the kid or the parents. The parents failed that kid somewhere. BHP is right, I was never told about taking a weapon to school but I know it was big trouble if I did so I never did. Hell I never even had a pocket knife on me in school. My most dangerous weapon was a folder of loose leaf notebook paper.

 

[MassHavoc]

It's not a where were the parents on that exact day. And in your day an age your parents probably didn't have to have those conversations, but unfortunately now kids are growing up in a much different time. Parents have to sit down with kids and let them know about the consequences of actions we never thought possible. "Now remember Sally, if you text naked pictures of yourself to your boyfriend, they could haunt you the rest of your life." "Mikey, don't take weapons to school" "Billy, use a condom or you'll end up like me, or in a std induced coma." "Suzy, my illiegal drugs are not appropriate show and tell items"



These are conversations that need to be had now a days. The most important influence on a child is the parents. No other way around it. Working or not they need to be actively involved in the childs life or not have children at all. Which I understand is not an option in some cases.

 

[TSD]

Mass, that kid could have the best informed parents in the country-- it still can't prevent what happened.

The kid chose to do this. It always makes me laugh when some one chimes in with "Where were the parents?"

They were probably doing what the rest of the parents were doing. Working.



I also don't see why anyone would need to have that conversation:

"Now remember Billy, if you take a gun to school and act a fool, you may not come back to mommy and daddy tonight."

I don't remember my father giving that sage-like speech to me when I was in 8th grade.

I agree, sometimes, I think a parent just doesn't know through know fault of their own. I think my mom was a great parent, but there was plenty of mischief I was up to growing up she had no idea about. At some point you have to trust your kid is out there doing the right thing and unfortunately sometimes they arent. You cant watch your kid 24/7 till their out of the house and with some kids no matter what you do, its not enough.



My brother and I are perfect examples, Ive never been in trouble with the law in my life, served in the military went to school got a good job. yet my brother has been in jail a dozen times(most times for domestic violence or some other violence) and is frequently homeless. were only 3 years apart we didnt get raised differently. I mean for christs sake my brother beat the living snot out of his pregnant girlfriend, my mom surely didnt influence him in any way to act like that.

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

Mass, I can almost guarantee you that most parents don't need to have a conversation with their 15 year old that it's an ill advised plan to take a weapon to school. Today, or when I was in high school in the early 1990s.



I guess we have to ask parents of kids around the age of 15.



RK? Puckjim? IHF?

You guys handing the "Don't take your gat to school" to your kids?

 

[supraman]

I was lucky my dad taught me right and wrong at a very early age. I was taught there are consequences for my actions at a very young age. Everything else just kinda fell into place.

 

[MassHavoc]

I'm not saying they have to, I'm saying some might need to. They have to know their child well enough. I just don't buy that this situation hit them completely out of the blue and they are flabbergashted that he would take a weapon to school. And I'm not saying it's a conversation they should have had that day or at the age of 15 but something that should be in the values that they are raised on.

 

[TSD]

I was lucky my dad taught me right and wrong at a very early age. I was taught there are consequences for my actions at a very young age. Everything else just kinda fell into place.

I think with some kids parenting is irrelevant, theres just "something ain't right with that boy". I think you have to be mentally disturbed to take your own life or put yourself in a situation like this as it goes against our own biological nature. The thought of murdering someone, killing myself etc etc, (even in dreams) fills me with such an unbearable anxiety I just dont think people like this feel.

 

[supraman]

I think with some kids parenting is irrelevant, theres just "something ain't right with that boy". I think you have to be mentally disturbed to take your own life or put yourself in a situation like this as it goes against our own biological nature. The thought of murdering someone, killing myself etc etc, (even in dreams) fills me with such an unbearable anxiety I just dont think people like this feel.

In that case oh well.

 

[TSD]

In that case oh well.

Im not making an excuse for the kid, Im just saying, I just dont think things like this are something you can always point to the parents and say they arent doing it right. In some cases yes you can.

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

Im not making an excuse for the kid, Im just saying, I just dont think things like this are something you can always point to the parents and say they arent doing it right. In some cases yes you can.

There's no denying that point.

Broad brushes will be used in this specific scenario.

 

[LordKOTL]

Hope the kid enjoys the dirt nap and I hope the parents enjoy staying awake at night knowing they passed on defective genes and life lessons.

 

[winos5]

Mass, I can almost guarantee you that most parents don't need to have a conversation with their 15 year old that it's an ill advised plan to take a weapon to school. Today, or when I was in high school in the early 1990s.



I guess we have to ask parents of kids around the age of 15.



RK? Puckjim? IHF?

You guys handing the "Don't take your gat to school" to your kids?

My teenage sons are heavily into "airsoft guns". We live in the country and have 2 acres, partially wooded, that they run around on, always with eye protection.



I constantly remind them that the toys stay at home, if they drive to a friends house to play "guns" it stays in a bag until he gets there, they don't wave them around or point them at peolpe while driving or if they stop at DQ or McD's ect.... and it never ever goes to school or is left in the car when they are done. I tell them on a regular basis if they take it to school they will likely be suspended if not expelled and if they point it at a cop or school security expect to be shot dead.



Damn things are very realistic and are easily mistaken for the real thing. Some actually have metal parts and have almost the actual weight, heft and appearance of the real thing. They just keep getting more and more sophisticated and more like the real thing.



I considered not letting them have them, but decided to let them be kids while they still can. Hope I don't regret it.



Edit: I made both of them read that story on the internet last night. And then reinforced the warning, along with a consequences for action speech.

 

[LordKOTL]

My teenage sons are heavily into "airsoft guns". We live in the country and have 2 acres, partially wooded, that they run around on, always with eye protection.



I constantly remind them that the toys stay at home, if they drive to a friends house to play "guns" it stays in a bag until he gets there, they don't wave them around or point them at peolpe while driving or if they stop at DQ or McD's ect.... and it never ever goes to school or is left in the car when they are done. I tell them on a regular basis if they take it to school they will likely be suspended if not expelled and if they point it at a cop or school security expect to be shot dead.



Damn things are very realistic and are easily mistaken for the real thing. Some actually have metal parts and have almost the actual weight, heft and appearance of the real thing. They just keep getting more and more sophisticated and more like the real thing.



I considered not letting them have them, but decided to let them be kids while they still can. Hope I don't regret it.

I doubt you will. IMHO it sounds like myou're handling things perfectly.

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

My teenage sons are heavily into "airsoft guns". We live in the country and have 2 acres, partially wooded, that they run around on, always with eye protection.



I constantly remind them that the toys stay at home, if they drive to a friends house to play "guns" it stays in a bag until he gets there, they don't wave them around or point them at peolpe while driving or if they stop at DQ or McD's ect.... and it never ever goes to school or is left in the car when they are done. I tell them on a regular basis if they take it to school they will likely be suspended if not expelled and if they point it at a cop or school security expect to be shot dead.



Damn things are very realistic and are easily mistaken for the real thing. Some actually have metal parts and have almost the actual weight, heft and appearance of the real thing. They just keep getting more and more sophisticated and more like the real thing.



I considered not letting them have them, but decided to let them be kids while they still can. Hope I don't regret it.



Edit: I made both of them read that story on the internet last night. And then reinforced the warning, along with a consequences for action speech.

After I posted my response, I thought about parents that allow their kids to use what you mentioned.

It's a fair retort.

 

[supraman]

My teenage sons are heavily into "airsoft guns". We live in the country and have 2 acres, partially wooded, that they run around on, always with eye protection.



I constantly remind them that the toys stay at home, if they drive to a friends house to play "guns" it stays in a bag until he gets there, they don't wave them around or point them at peolpe while driving or if they stop at DQ or McD's ect.... and it never ever goes to school or is left in the car when they are done. I tell them on a regular basis if they take it to school they will likely be suspended if not expelled and if they point it at a cop or school security expect to be shot dead.



Damn things are very realistic and are easily mistaken for the real thing. Some actually have metal parts and have almost the actual weight, heft and appearance of the real thing. They just keep getting more and more sophisticated and more like the real thing.



I considered not letting them have them, but decided to let them be kids while they still can. Hope I don't regret it.



Edit: I made both of them read that story on the internet last night. And then reinforced the warning, along with a consequences for action speech.

Do you mention the asswhippin' of a life time as well?