Kid brings pellet gun to school, pwned by police

[jaxhawksfan]

Mass, I can almost guarantee you that most parents don't need to have a conversation with their 15 year old that it's an ill advised plan to take a weapon to school. Today, or when I was in high school in the early 1990s.



I guess we have to ask parents of kids around the age of 15.



RK? Puckjim? IHF?

You guys handing the "Don't take your gat to school" to your kids?

But but but little Johnny was such a good boy. He would never do such a ........



Anyway, I took my first gun to school in 6th grade. I played a Secret Service Agent in a program for one of the holidays (Can't remember which one). I asked the teacher who was running the show if I could bring one and she said yes. I brought the UNLOADED weapon to school, stored it in her desk until it was time for the program, then stored it back in her desk until it was time to go home. Kinda silly actually because nobody ever saw it, or knew that I had it. For some reason I just thought it was part of the costume.



Fast forward 30 years and there is no way in hell I would do that today (nor would any sane teacher, they would lose their career). I took unloaded guns to school every now and then to show a group of friends and they would do likewise. I remind you, this was a small rural town, and many years before kids started shooting sprees at schools. Hell, did any of you actually have marksmanship in school? There was a time in our country where the school actually kept a weapons locker and taught kids how to safely and accurately handle a gun. OMG!!!! No way in hell that would happen today. The crazy little bastards have ruined it for everyone.

 

[supraman]

But but but little Johnny was such a good boy. He would never do such a ........



Anyway, I took my first gun to school in 6th grade. I played a Secret Service Agent in a program for one of the holidays (Can't remember which one). I asked the teacher who was running the show if I could bring one and she said yes. I brought the UNLOADED weapon to school, stored it in her desk until it was time for the program, then stored it back in her desk until it was time to go home. Kinda silly actually because nobody ever saw it, or knew that I had it. For some reason I just thought it was part of the costume.



Fast forward 30 years and there is no way in hell I would do that today (nor would any sane teacher, they would lose their career). I took unloaded guns to school every now and then to show a group of friends and they would do likewise. I remind you, this was a small rural town, and many years before kids started shooting sprees at schools. Hell, did any of you actually have marksmanship in school? There was a time in our country where the school actually kept a weapons locker and taught kids how to safely and accurately handle a gun. OMG!!!! No way in hell that would happen today. The crazy little bastards have ruined it for everyone.

Ahh that smells of liberty and 2nd amendment.



What years did you go to school?

 

[jaxhawksfan]

I would say I started kindergarten in 1974.

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

We had marksmanship in camp, that's about it.

I got pretty good with a bow and arrow. First Blood became very popular when I was young.

 

[supraman]

I would say I started kindergarten in 1974.

So you started school before the feds took it over. I wish I went to school then

 

[jaxhawksfan]

I didn't take a riflery class until college, but I know there were public schools that had them. I'm not sure if they were only in conjunction with the school's JROTC programs or not. However in 1994 our Federal Government passed a law that basically said if you want federal dollars, you will expel any student found with a gun.



Anyway, sorry to get off topic again (seems i'm good at doing that). I just wish some things could go back to the way things were, instead of being the way they are.

 

[supraman]

I didn't take a riflery class until college, but I know there were public schools that had them. I'm not sure if they were only in conjunction with the school's JROTC programs or not. However in 1994 our Federal Government passed a law that basically said if you want federal dollars, you will expel any student found with a gun.



Anyway, sorry to get off topic again (seems i'm good at doing that). I just wish some things could go back to the way things were, instead of being the way they are.

Yes please.

 

[BigPete]

Here is how the PD might investigate and treat the incident during a review and training session:



1 - How far away were you when you saw the gun?

2 - How far away were you when you fired your weapon?

3 - Did the deceased point the gun at you or anyone else?

4 - Did you instruct the deceased to put the gun down prior to firing your service weapon?

5 - Did you have the ability to use a non-lethal force of any kind (tazer, beanbag shotgun, tackle the suspect, etc)?

6 - What conversation took place between you and the deceased?



All of these are very real questions that will have to be asked to understand if the cops acted too hastily or if the department needs to change policies and retrain or re-equip their officers.



Without those answers, everything else is just musing and bemoaning the loss of life in a stupid ass manner.

 

[jakobeast]

I feel bad for the cop/cops that have to live with the fact they killed a kid. That is the tragic part of the story.

 

[jaxhawksfan]

I feel bad for the cop/cops that have to live with the fact they killed a kid. That is the tragic part of the story.

And often overlooked. I agree with you.

 

[BigPete]

I feel bad for the cop/cops that have to live with the fact they killed a kid. That is the tragic part of the story.

It will be especially hard to live with it if the cop(s) made a bad or knee jerk decision to open fire. I guess they are the only ones that know right now if they screwed up. Use of lethal force still has to be justified, simply holding a gun is not enough justification for a cop to shoot and kill you.

 

[IceHogsFan]

Mass, I can almost guarantee you that most parents don't need to have a conversation with their 15 year old that it's an ill advised plan to take a weapon to school. Today, or when I was in high school in the early 1990s.



I guess we have to ask parents of kids around the age of 15.



RK? Puckjim? IHF?

You guys handing the "Don't take your gat to school" to your kids?

Having a teenage daughter our conversations have centered more around the be careful what you take pictures of, where you post them and how others perceive you through your actions and those you associate with. My daughter knows where my Glock is and knows how to shoot it. Maybe I need to think about the "don't take this to school" thing......... LOL

 

[TSD]

Having a teenage daughter our conversations have centered more around the be careful what you take pictures of, where you post them and how others perceive you through your actions and those you associate with. My daughter knows where my Glock is and knows how to shoot it. Maybe I need to think about the "don't take this to school" thing......... LOL

A daughters a different story, if I had one I would advise her to pack heat everywhere.

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

A daughters a different story, if I had one I would advise her to pack heat everywhere.

Agree.

I have an odd feeling we'll be having girls. Really hot girls.

I'll tell her to wield a morning star.

 

[jakobeast]

Agree.

I have an odd feeling we'll be having girls. Really hot girls.

I'll tell her to wield a morning star.

Oh I hope you do.









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