Kid stabs bully to death

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1st off: think all of us can agree that no one really wins.



2nd, the only thing that gives me any pause is the fact that yeah, he showed off the pocket knife, but then again, wat 14 year old wouldn't? Also--consider us as adults for a minute: Someone breaks into your home and your usual weapon is not avaliable (i.e. your favorite shotgun is in a gun locker). You see the invader and the guy could fold you in half a few times...what do you use? The nearest weapon avaliable to tilt the odds in your favor. It sounds like the bully was definitly bigger and stronger than the victim, so in the heat of the moment and given the past (as we've been given), yeah, a pocket knife makes sense. In self-defense, there's no such thing as fighting fair. If you're the size of Brian Gionta and you're staring down someone Zdeno Chara's size, you dispense with the fair fight bullshit and dispense some aluminum bat justice.



3rd: yeah, it sounds like the bully was bullied and continued in the process to make up for his lack of self-esteem. Home issues?



And lastly, if there is one thing to blame for the bullying epidemic, IMHO it is these bullshit zero-tolerance policies schools adopt (and some parents). Thus, most "normal" kids are so afraid of getting in trouble or getting a suspension for defending themselves because the schools not only can't police the violence (and never will), but are unwilling to disseminate the difference between a fight and someone being bullied and defending themselves. As such, situations like these get quickly out of hand.



I don't think the knife was overkill. Juniors are much bigger than Freshman.



And yeah the zero tolerance policy certainly doesn't help. I know my old man would have told the principal to kiss his ass if I got suspended for defending myself and you can bet your ass I wouldn't have been grounded, hell I woulda got an attaboy.
 

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I don't think the knife was overkill. Juniors are much bigger than Freshman.



And yeah the zero tolerance policy certainly doesn't help. I know my old man would have told the principal to kiss his ass if I got suspended for defending myself and you can bet your ass I wouldn't have been grounded, hell I woulda got an attaboy.

Again, I don't think it was overkill either. Showing the knife was a bit off but then again, what 14 year old wouldn't?



Unfortunately my dad was completely pussywhipped by my stepmom (why i have no clue. Her personality is epitomized by the term "****" and her looks fall into the realm of "ditch pig"--even my grandma thought so!), otherwise he would have gave me an "atta boy". Hell, one time I got a suspension in 5th grade for *being* punched in the face (not fighting back), and my stepmom responded by grounding me for 2 weeks. My dad was spineless against it all.



Hence, I'm fiercely against zero tolerance.
 

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Again, I don't think it was overkill either. Showing the knife was a bit off but then again, what 14 year old wouldn't?



Unfortunately my dad was completely pussywhipped by my stepmom (why i have no clue. Her personality is epitomized by the term "****" and her looks fall into the realm of "ditch pig"--even my grandma thought so!), otherwise he would have gave me an "atta boy". Hell, one time I got a suspension in 5th grade for *being* punched in the face (not fighting back), and my stepmom responded by grounding me for 2 weeks. My dad was spineless against it all.



Hence, I'm fiercely against zero tolerance.



I'm 28 my dad is 71. He's old school. Has a lot of old fashioned values. So defending yourself was something he never took an issue with. He told me I'd never be in trouble if I didn't start the fight and he taught me the one rule to fighting "Don't lose"
 

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I'm 28 my dad is 71. He's old school. Has a lot of old fashioned values. So defending yourself was something he never took an issue with. He told me I'd never be in trouble if I didn't start the fight and he taught me the one rule to fighting "Don't lose"



your dad is only 10 years younger than my grandfather and Im 2 years older than you.
 

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I'm 28 my dad is 71. He's old school. Has a lot of old fashioned values. So defending yourself was something he never took an issue with. He told me I'd never be in trouble if I didn't start the fight and he taught me the one rule to fighting "Don't lose"

That's the attitude I have. Fighting may not be the right way, but sometimes it's the only way. Never start the fight but always finish it and always stand up for yourself. Any kid of mine will never be in trouble for defending themselves and i will go toe-to-toe with the school if necessary.
 

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