Kirk Hinrich- the Bulls ALL-TIME THREE POINT CHAP!

[TheStig]

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houheffna wrote:

are you high? monte ellis scored 22 pts on 22 shots.

what exactly are you talking about...

He was talking about last night, not that I think an off night defines a player.

 

[pinkizdead]

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ellis being a better player than gordon. To quote Fred's rant, he's not even in the same category as gordon. Monte is all hype. he's the homeless man's allen iverson: inefficient. bad attitude. bad defense. ball dominant poor poor court vision.

i'll grant you that both are on bad contracts, neither should be paid more than the other.

 

[TheStig]

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houheffna wrote:

Charlie V makes about a mill over the MLE this year. He is making about a third of number one option money. He is not stopping any team from doing anything. Not a good deal but not a cap crusher. He certainly has all the talent to be a starting pf, maybe they can get something out of him yet. He is not even a year removed from averaging 16 and 6.7. Correct me if I am wrong but aren't we currently paying someone more who hasn't even played a game for us.

I apologize for not expounding better. My worthy opponent Kush was spouting out the usual pro-Gordon talking points and using that psychology some of you seem to have down when talking about BG. Which is to denigrate EVERYBODY ELSE around him in order to promote his position. Happened here with Rose and Hinrich and even the people who coached him. Now in Detroit, he is somehow linked with Charlie V. Kush disagreed with me that Gordon should not have gotten that contract, and begin to speak of the advantages of signing Gordon and the disadvantages of signing Charlie V. Kush (putting Charlie V's name right under my name and Kirk Hinrich's on the "satan list") stated that Charlie V was a waste of money and shouldn't have gotten that contract. He stated that Charlie V has never been the number one option on any team. I then replied that he didn't get number one option money so there was no argument there, I think Charlie V's contract is a decent one all things considered. The team would have a much easier time moving Charlie's contract than Gordon's...

As far as the Gordon/Ellis argument, that came up because I said Gordon shouldn't get paid one red cent more than Ellis, who is a better player. So Kush went into "Rev. Kush" mode and started denigrating Ellis' abilities on the court, simplifying them by calling him a system player. So I responded by being very peaceful and serene...

And so there you have it, I was just making a point and Kush used his bully pulpit to beat up on little ol' me. Damn shame...lol!

I don't really think you can call the guy who predicted Kirk as sixth man of the year a kirk hinrich hater. I'm sure he was just making the point that kirk was not a good basketball player from 07-08 till the trade deadline last year. Even since, I wouldn't classify his services as good. I think he has been acceptable. I think his defensive impact speaks beyond the numbers but his offense leaves a lot to be desired.

As far as contracts go, duh, all new contracts are hard to move. The fact that charlie v makes significantly less and is 6'11 will make him a lot easier to move. I think it is just to dangerous to evaluate a player like BG at his all time low. We have seen consistently what he can do and he has been good for the last three years and ultra clutch the couple years before. He's not a superstar but then again he makes a little more than a superstar would make. I'd feel very comfortable to predict him being a 20 ppg scorer again next year. If the Pistons can deal Rip for a good big man, then I see them being a playoff team next year again, barring injuries.

 

[houheffna]

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ellis being a better player than gordon. To quote Fred's rant, he's not even in the same category as gordon. Monte is all hype. he's the homeless man's allen iverson: inefficient. bad attitude. bad defense. ball dominant poor poor court vision.

i'll grant you that both are on bad contracts, neither should be paid more than the other.

Your argument....is pretty damn stupid...seriously....just stupid...go back and read it to yourself and then try to rationalize that for me...stupid....short school bus special medicine foaming at the mouth stupid!

Monta is all hype...hype from where? Aren't you the same guy who said Gordon is as good as Joe Johnson? You either don't watch the guys you are talking about or when you watch you wear those really, really, really thick Fred Sanford glasses and can't see s---

 

[pinkizdead]

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houheffna wrote:

ellis being a better player than gordon. To quote Fred's rant, he's not even in the same category as gordon. Monte is all hype. he's the homeless man's allen iverson: inefficient. bad attitude. bad defense. ball dominant poor poor court vision.

i'll grant you that both are on bad contracts, neither should be paid more than the other.

Your argument....is pretty damn stupid...seriously....just stupid...go back and read it to yourself and then try to rationalize that for me...stupid....short school bus special medicine foaming at the mouth stupid!

Monta is all hype...hype from where? Aren't you the same guy who said Gordon is as good as Joe Johnson? You either don't watch the guys you are talking about or when you watch you wear those really, really, really thick Fred Sanford glasses and can't see s---

well unlike you, i have other things to do in my life.

really the irony of your comments is striking! no. i never said gordon was as good as joe johnson. In fact i'll give you the following statement in writing, "Joe johnson is better than gordon." However, I did say that it would have been better to sign gordon at 8 than have joe johnson for 17. IF this is the move the bulls intended by opting not to sign gordon, and trading assets for free agency in 2010, it was a massive failure. a competent human being ought to be able to understand the difference between the statements. pity.....that, ...(use your imagination).

Are you seriously asking where i'm getting my opinion from? i thought the answer was self evident. However, i digress. Back to the issue at hand, are you suggesting ellis has :
good court vision?
good/decent attitude?
Is efficient?
play defense well?

 

[houheffna]

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well unlike you, i have other things to do in my life.

really the irony of your comments is striking! no. i never said gordon was as good as joe johnson. In fact i'll give you the following statement in writing, "Joe johnson is better than gordon." However, I did say that it would have been better to sign gordon at 8 than have joe johnson for 17. IF this is the move the bulls intended by opting not to sign gordon, and trading assets for free agency in 2010, it was a massive failure. a competent human being ought to be able to understand the difference between the statements. pity.....that, ...(use your imagination).

Are you seriously asking where i'm getting my opinion from? i thought the answer was self evident. However, i digress. Back to the issue at hand, are you suggesting ellis has :
good court vision?
good/decent attitude?
Is efficient?
play defense well?

I apologize, you said that Johnson had the same game as Gordon, he was just older...then I accused you of snorting carpet lint following that statement...then you said Johnson was better than Gordon...after some other people disagreed with you...you changed that up.

So kudos to you for waking up, even if its under duress...

Back to Ellis...you don't watch very much obviously from your Johnson/Gordon statements...

Ellis I believe is shooting close to 50% in fg% for his entire career...I think that is a decent efficiency. The attitude stuff is irrelevant...Paxson drafted a bunch of great attitudes and we ended up mediocre. Plus, attitude is not a basketball skill which is what I am talking about. He is not a great defender, he and Gordon are a scratch in that area.

So yeah I disagree with you on Ellis concerning certain aspects of his game...

 

[clonetrooper264]

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I would just like to insert this random, but relevant comment (to the thread anyway...not exactly the topic at hand): Kirk Hinrich is finally shooting over 40% on the year! It's about freaking time!

 

[pinkizdead]

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as to his efficiency, how jump shots does ellis take? also it must be hard to drive to the lane in that golden state offense? right? hay eh, is this his career season? just wondering.



also you're wrong again. i suggested that for his price, johnson wouldn't add much more than what gordon added. For a person who posts on forums as often as you do, you sure do have terrible reading comprehension skills.

 

[houheffna]

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Ok, here is what you said...

if they sign johnson, i'll be pissed. really a guy who gives you nothing more than what ben gordon gave you for a far higher number and and older age.. yeah. great fit. must be snorting carpet lint. must be.

You contradict yourself...you expect me to comprehend what you are saying when you cant comprehend your own comments well enough to stay consistent? I think you are asking too much.

You said Johnson gives you the same production as Gordon and you also said that Johnson plays bad defense. Wrong, wrong, wrong!!! Yep, that carpet lint is a humdinger...

 

[pinkizdead]

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houheffna wrote:

Ok, here is what you said...

if they sign johnson, i'll be pissed. really a guy who gives you nothing more than what ben gordon gave you for a far higher number and and older age.. yeah. great fit. must be snorting carpet lint. must be.

You contradict yourself...you expect me to comprehend what you are saying when you cant comprehend your own comments well enough to stay consistent? I think you are asking too much.

You said Johnson gives you the same production as Gordon and you also said that Johnson plays bad defense. Wrong, wrong, wrong!!! Yep, that carpet lint is a humdinger...

really?

pinkizdead wrote:

also you're wrong again. i suggested that for his price, johnson wouldn't add much more than what gordon added. For a person who posts on forums as often as you do, you sure do have terrible reading comprehension skills.

wow. well i guess there might be an ambiguity. when i said at a much higher number i guess i should have been more descriptor. a high price. really i dont think johnson gives you much in the playoffs. numbers aren't really much better than gordons. doug thonas did an article about it in chicago now. i suggest you read it, instead of sitting on your couch. or you could sit on your couch more often.

 

[houheffna]

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wow. well i guess there might be an ambiguity. when i said at a much higher number i guess i should have been more descriptor. a high price. really i dont think johnson gives you much in the playoffs. numbers aren't really much better than gordons. doug thonas did an article about it in chicago now. i suggest you read it, instead of sitting on your couch. or you could sit on your couch more often.

No one was saying that Johnson scored 30 a game...but there is a reason Johnson is a 4-time allstar and Gordon has never been...

As for the rest of your statement, that changes the subject. And I don't care who wrote a column about it, if they share your opinion, they are wrong!