Lake found on Mars

[Tater]

I will surround myself with pigeons and be safe from all marauding zombies and Ares'.

 

[Mitchapalooza]

I played a lot of Left 4 Dead, I think I got this.

 

[Ares]

I will surround myself with pigeons and be safe from all marauding zombies and Ares'.

Tater to become Pigeon Man

 

[brett05]

Hot Alien Take: While certainly one needs to be a carbon based life form to live on planet Earth, perhaps any alien civilization does not share that characteristic and that is why they've never been here.

I use that as one of my defenses that we are the only life. We see no life on the moon, Mars, etc. If there were other life outside of carbon based why has evolution over the time caused development?

 

[Ares]

I use that as one of my defenses that we are the only life. We see no life on the moon, Mars, etc. If there were other life outside of carbon based why has evolution over the time caused development?

Conditions in our solar system on Earth led to carbon-based life evolving.

Conditions drastically different are required elsewhere for non-carbon-based life evolving, this is how I see it.

The Universe is huge, personally I find it childish to think we're the only life of any kind that exists.

 

[modo]

I use that as one of my defenses that we are the only life. We see no life on the moon, Mars, etc. If there were other life outside of carbon based why has evolution over the time caused development?

Either proving or disproving life is a bit premature at this point.....

We have one piece of evidence that abiogenesis (our best hypothesis) exists.......

The theory that it happened here so it must happen elsewhere doesn't stand up to science and neither does, we don't see it so it must not be there.....

We don't know enough yet.

 

[brett05]

Conditions in our solar system on Earth led to carbon-based life evolving.

Conditions drastically different are required elsewhere for non-carbon-based life evolving, this is how I see it.

The Universe is huge, personally I find it childish to think we're the only life of any kind that exists.

I get that. But then where is the evolved differently life forms on other parts of our solar system.

I see it childish to think anything we can dream of we just need to look hard enough cause it has to be the case.

 

[brett05]

Either proving or disproving life is a bit premature at this point.....

We have one piece of evidence that abiogenesis (our best hypothesis) exists.......

The theory that it happened here so it must happen elsewhere doesn't stand up to science and neither does, we don't see it so it must not be there.....

We don't know enough yet.

More so we don't see it even once - life from non life

 

[modo]

More so we don't see it even once - life from non life

see it no....have a lot of potential evidence for it yes. We go one what we best know about our understanding of the processes of the known Universe and draw hypotheses. That could absolutely change if we find different evidence.

 

[remydat]

Think there is a distinction between observational science and theoretical science. Theoretical science predicts things all the time from black holes and various subatomic particles that only end up being proved by observational science much later.

It is most certainly within the realm of theoretical science to surmise that life exists elsewhere in the universe. What is lacking is the observational data to prove it but that doesn't mean the belief that life exists elsewhere isn't science or is equally possible as life not existing.

 

[staleystarch]

Either proving or disproving life is a bit premature at this point.....

We have one piece of evidence that abiogenesis (our best hypothesis) exists.......

The theory that it happened here so it must happen elsewhere doesn't stand up to science and neither does, we don't see it so it must not be there.....

We don't know enough yet.

Now you are acting like you read Richard Dawkins books or something. I know better than him. I got my science education sitting on a bar stool.

 

[modo]

Think there is a distinction between observational science and theoretical science. Theoretical science predicts things all the time from black holes and various subatomic particles that only end up being proved by observational science much later.

It is most certainly within the realm of theoretical science to surmise that life exists elsewhere in the universe. What is lacking is the observational data to prove it but that doesn't mean the belief that life exists elsewhere isn't science or is equally possible as life not existing.

The problem with theoretical science is really dependent on a good understanding of what leads up to conclusions. The theory of black holes was based from very solid understanding of the math that led to those conclusions.

With life outside of what we can observe there is no solid foundation of math to draw specific conclusions. We are missing a lot of information, and there are potentially valid competing theories such as RNA, Peptide-RNA, RNA-DNA , and several others that could change our outlook on it in the long run. Then you can factor other things such as the possibility of panspermia which opens up another can of worms.

This doesn't mean that scientists shouldn't look for it. But to say that their (probably) is or isn't life outside Earth is a bit early in the science.

If life does exist outside Earth we may find it before we understand the origin of life as we understand it. And that would still leave a shit ton of questions left to be answered.

 

[modo]

Now you are acting like you read Richard Dawkins books or something. I know better than him. I got my science education sitting on a bar stool.

I'm not an atheist or a feminist but I do appreciate science.

 

[Enasic]

When all you go by is science, you’re boring. When all you go by is intuition, you’re foolish. But to exclude intuition when forming an opinion about an idea that cannot be proven or dis-proven, you’re equally boring and foolish. You can’t just wait for science to prove everything to you until you have an opinion. Scientific facts have later been proved not so factual time and time again.

 

[modo]

When all you go by is science, you’re boring. When all you go by is intuition, you’re foolish. But to exclude intuition when forming an opinion about an idea that cannot be proven or dis-proven, you’re equally boring and foolish. You can’t just wait for science to prove everything to you until you have an opinion. Scientific facts have later been proved not so factual time and time again.

Of course you can have an opinion. I have opinions, but one needs to be smart enough to know the difference between having logical conclusion based on solid scientific evidence and an opinion based on hope and piecemeal evidence.

 

[brett05]

see it no....have a lot of potential evidence for it yes. We go one what we best know about our understanding of the processes of the known Universe and draw hypotheses. That could absolutely change if we find different evidence.

It's a hypothesis maybe. Honestly we have none.

 

[modo]

It's a hypothesis maybe. Honestly we have none.

It is a hypothesis. Not maybe a hypothesis. It could wind up being wrong or correct based on further information we find.

 

[Ares]

I get that. But then where is the evolved differently life forms on other parts of our solar system.

I see it childish to think anything we can dream of we just need to look hard enough cause it has to be the case.

It might not exist in our solar system.

Or it might exist deep beneath the surface of planets/moons in our solar system.

We haven't explored even 1% of our solar system in any meaningful way.

It would be like sending a drone to take a picture of 2 square feet of ocean shore and no living sea creatures are in the picture so you go "Ok then I think we can assume nothing lives in the ocean"

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Conditions in our solar system on Earth led to carbon-based life evolving.

Conditions drastically different are required elsewhere for non-carbon-based life evolving, this is how I see it.

The Universe is huge, personally I find it childish to think we're the only life of any kind that exists.

It's more ego driven. I just simply refuse to believe* that we are the only game in town.


* Not that I believe, in any form or fashion, that we've actually been visited. I'm of the belief that no world, ours or theirs, has the technology to find out.

 

[brett05]

It might not exist in our solar system.

Or it might exist deep beneath the surface of planets/moons in our solar system.

We haven't explored even 1% of our solar system in any meaningful way.

It would be like sending a drone to take a picture of 2 square feet of ocean shore and no living sea creatures are in the picture so you go "Ok then I think we can assume nothing lives in the ocean"

Not exactly how statistical probability works.

I do tip my hat to modo admitting we can't prove or disprove at this point.