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I think Dach has a confidence issue. He actually looked great the first few weeks of the season skating around guys, showing great hands, but just couldnt score. The last few months he has been barely noticeable.
Ever since they moved him to wing, he's been completely invisible. At least when he was a center, he was getting his chances. But yeah, he definitely has a confidence issue, and I think the move to wing only exacerbated it. I honestly thought he was a healthy scratch last night, but I guess it was an injury that kept him out.
 

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I agree with this.

I seem to recall the red wings keeping kids in juniors and the minors until they were a finished product and wish the Hawks would do that instead of rushing kids into the bigs.

I never understood the logic of it. Develop these kids. Dach could have used another year in juniors along with a year in the A., then have them earn a spot on the Hawks. Who gives a flying fuck if the kid isn’t ready until he’s 22/23? At that age he will have filled out and hopefully have some good habits so he never goes back.

Hell, let these kids stay a month in Rockford. I swear one month is all it will take for them to comprehend they sure as shit don’t want to be there and will be doing everything possible to stay in Chicago.
My best guess is that Bowman started believing his own hype when the teams were winning cups and all he had to do was navigating the cap and accounting. Once he had to start actually building a team, He was so far out of his depth he needed water wings and didn't really consult with anyone who was any good at prospect scouting and development. He kept looking for some wunderkinder that would be the magic pill to allow the old core to win once more, as opposed to following the blueprint of what worked--and that was that the old core (outside of Kane) had at least *some* development at lower levels after they were drafted. The older the old core got, the more the rush was on and it felt like Stan was getting less and less patient.

Even though the Hagel move has left fandom divided, as well as the lack of any move for DeHaan, I think Davidson and McI have some logic in the moves that they've done and I think they are taking the rebuild somewhat serious. Yes, it will mean some very dark times (like ABC line dark times) up ahead, but I think parlaying the cock-flavored-lollipop-useless Nylander into Lafferty, as well as getting what he did for both Hagel and MAF are moves which, on paper, a decent GM would make given the 'hawks and where the team as-constructed stands. I would also hope that guys like Reichel and possible Soderblom aren't rushed--as well as all the other prospects we got that might actually have some blue chip upside.
 

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Anyone know if Mitchell, Kalynuk, Beaudin, or any other of the young D-man going to be solid or better NHLers?
 

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My best guess is that Bowman started believing his own hype when the teams were winning cups and all he had to do was navigating the cap and accounting. Once he had to start actually building a team, He was so far out of his depth he needed water wings and didn't really consult with anyone who was any good at prospect scouting and development. He kept looking for some wunderkinder that would be the magic pill to allow the old core to win once more, as opposed to following the blueprint of what worked--and that was that the old core (outside of Kane) had at least *some* development at lower levels after they were drafted. The older the old core got, the more the rush was on and it felt like Stan was getting less and less patient.

Even though the Hagel move has left fandom divided, as well as the lack of any move for DeHaan, I think Davidson and McI have some logic in the moves that they've done and I think they are taking the rebuild somewhat serious. Yes, it will mean some very dark times (like ABC line dark times) up ahead, but I think parlaying the cock-flavored-lollipop-useless Nylander into Lafferty, as well as getting what he did for both Hagel and MAF are moves which, on paper, a decent GM would make given the 'hawks and where the team as-constructed stands. I would also hope that guys like Reichel and possible Soderblom aren't rushed--as well as all the other prospects we got that might actually have some blue chip upside.
With the state of the goaltending, 2022-23 may be even worse than this season. But at age 23 come September, Hawks may let Soderblom compete for a spot and sign a free-agent as primary to carry the load. To borrow from Ben Pope in the Sun-Times today, Lankinin has been below average and is a free agent; most likely, he will not be back. A strong final month (resembling his early 2021 form) would be fool's gold more than genuine improvement.
 

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Anyone know if Mitchell, Kalynuk, Beaudin, or any other of the young D-man going to be solid or better NHLers?
Yeah.

Vlasic, Allen, and Galvas (sp) might have nhl futures. I’m a lot higher on Allen then most because the kid is defense first.

Commesso, if developed properly, can be an nhl goalie.

Mitchell is a bust. So is Beaudin because neither can handle an NHL forecheck. Blowman and Kelly never understood you weren’t finding Erik Karlsson outside of the top three in the draft in this day and age and paid the price for it. If you are looking for a puck mover, you sure as shit have to move up in the draft because the only ones who will be effective have elite skill. But even then, they blew a high pick on Boqvist when a ton of talent was still there waiting to be picked.

(And yes, I know the Hawks wanted QHughes that draft and completely botched it by letting everyone know. Blowman being Blowman)

I’m not high and any of Kelly’s picks outside of Reichel, Commesso, and Allen. I don’t think anybody else sniffs the NHL as a regular.
 

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Yeah.

Vlasic, Allen, and Galvas (sp) might have nhl futures. I’m a lot higher on Allen then most because the kid is defense first.

Commesso, if developed properly, can be an nhl goalie.

Mitchell is a bust. So is Beaudin because neither can handle an NHL forecheck. Blowman and Kelly never understood you weren’t finding Erik Karlsson outside of the top three in the draft in this day and age and paid the price for it. If you are looking for a puck mover, you sure as shit have to move up in the draft because the only ones who will be effective have elite skill. But even then, they blew a high pick on Boqvist when a ton of talent was still there waiting to be picked.

(And yes, I know the Hawks wanted QHughes that draft and completely botched it by letting everyone know. Blowman being Blowman)

I’m not high and any of Kelly’s picks outside of Reichel, Commesso, and Allen. I don’t think anybody else sniffs the NHL as a regular.
That bad......so their drafts really have sucked! No Bueno!
 

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Anyone know if Mitchell, Kalynuk, Beaudin, or any other of the young D-man going to be solid or better NHLers?
My take is pretty much the same as @KBIB's. I think Beaudin and Mitchell have an absolute ceiling as a #3 (and I'm being generous here), but are most likely a 5-6. That's the main problem with how the previous gen ran things; because Bowman the Lesser spent so much effort to try and get one more win for the old core, he completely neglected the succession plan. So that puts us where we are now: We have a single possible top-pair defender who will be very overpaid next year unless his game increases by an order of magnitude...and a bunch of 4-5 D-men who would not break into the top-4 on ANY of our cup-winning teams.
With the state of the goaltending, 2022-23 may be even worse than this season. But at age 23 come September, Hawks may let Soderblom compete for a spot and sign a free-agent as primary to carry the load. To borrow from Ben Pope in the Sun-Times today, Lankinin has been below average and is a free agent; most likely, he will not be back. A strong final month (resembling his early 2021 form) would be fool's gold more than genuine improvement.
I'm kinda hoping it is worse. The 2023 draft is supposed to be very deep and if the 'hawks finish out the season without taking out they will have their 1st rounder next season and a late 1st rounder next season unless Tampa completely shits the bed.

As for Lankinen; who knows? He certainly hasn't been that good this year. However, it could just be his sophomore slump. On the flipside to that his overall numbers are more towards the bottom percentile of starter goalies--so we might be looking at a Cam Ward vs. a Corey Crawford. I'm okay with letting him walk, but I'm also okay with a "show me" short deal with the expectation that he is in competition with everyone else and he can be shipped back to Rockford if he doesn't perform. Competition can't hurt.
That bad......so their drafts really have sucked! No Bueno!
Basically yes. All drafts are a crapshoot, but it seems like Stan's hit to miss Ratio was very low vs. Smith or Tallon's--especially higher in the draft rounds. It's why I feel like we're in year zero of the rebuild.
 

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And before anybody says Cat, yes, it was a slam dunk pick. But that has more to do with GM’s looking the wrong way about him his draft year.

I watched a ton of McDavid that year and saw Cat carried that line about 20% of the time. McDavid is a god tier player and a level higher then everyone else in the league, but Cats positioning is god tier his self and he knew exactly where to be playing with a caliber of player like McD. And don’t get me started on the Otter line. Strome and Raddysh knew who ran it and it wasn’t either of them. Cat is a top five pick in a redraft and GM’s were stupid thinking his skill set wouldn’t translate into the NHL.

Tuevo was a great pick too, but he never should have been there for the Hawks. Something tells me when the time came to rid the Bickell contract the Canes joked and said his name and Blowman said “sure”.

Danault was another great pick, but poor scouting and Kelly’s ineptitude for evaluating talent killed that one. There’s no doubt in my mind that wasn’t the first choice the Habs had for two fourth liners but the one they accepted.

And go figure Kelly gets canned and can’t even find a job as a scout. The guy is AIDS. Fuck him and his pathetic drafts slobbing all over players who we’re reaches because he had to look like some master scout.

Larry Himes was the same thing but the guy completely nailed his top ten picks until he reached the Cubs and insanity started to seep into the recesses of his cone shaped head
 

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I just watched about 5 minutes of the Florida game.....the Blackhawk defensemen are a fucking disgrace. They make you want to upchuck your dinner. Slow, void of talent and dumb.....yet they keep being sent out there night after night. Same pathetic guys, same sorry results.

Thankfully there is streaming and and DVRs in the world today.....
 

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I just watched about 5 minutes of the Florida game.....the Blackhawk defensemen are a fucking disgrace. They make you want to upchuck your dinner. Slow, void of talent and dumb.....yet they keep being sent out there night after night. Same pathetic guys, same sorry results.

Thankfully there is streaming and and DVRs in the world today.....
It was even worse in Tampa......



I know nobody likes Lanks or Delia but MY GOD.....it looks like the Hawks' goal-crease' is on fire in that graphic for God's sake!
 

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It was even worse in Tampa......



I know nobody likes Lanks or Delia but MY GOD.....it looks like the Hawks' goal-crease' is on fire in that graphic for God's sake!

yah we were talking about it in past . . . Hawks are a one line team . Toes can't carry the second line but is paid Kane money.

Hawks will never become good again til they find consistent 2nd line scoring. Dach or Reichel needs to become the guy who can carry Toes and the 2nd line. They need someone to step up. Kubalik could have been the guy. 30 goals to his name 2 seasons ago and just 12 this year with a paltry 13 assists. That is unacceptable!
 
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yah we were talking about it in past . . . Hawks are a one line team . Toes can't carry the second line but is paid Kane money.

Hawks will never become good again til they find consistent 2nd line scoring. Dach or Reichel needs to become the guy who can carry Toes and the 2nd line. They need someone to step up. Kubalik could have been the guy. 30 goals to his name 2 seasons ago and just 12 this year with a paltry 13 assists. That is unacceptable!
Well, Colonton had him on the fourth line and a year ago suctioned to Kampf. I’m not making excuses for Kubalik but that’s a gross mismanage of one of the best shots in the league. Love me some Toews, but he’s washed up, Dach is a bust, there’s nobody on this team that can line up his strength when it comes to centers.

Plus, you can just watch the guy and see he don’t care. That’s coaching putting him out there instead of sitting in the press box.
 

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It was even worse in Tampa......



I know nobody likes Lanks or Delia but MY GOD.....it looks like the Hawks' goal-crease' is on fire in that graphic for God's sake!
Other than the two goalies who in a best case scenario, are nothing but backups.....they are playing on a regular basis at least 5 to 6 players who are for the most part useless. Why? The majority of these guys are 30ish. Why? The trade deadline has passed. If you're not gonna re-sign these guys why not just cut them now, pay them what you owe them and let some kids finish out the season. And if the the FO is planning to re-sign any of them....please give a heads up to your season ticket holders so they can shove their tickets up your asses.
 

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It was even worse in Tampa......



I know nobody likes Lanks or Delia but MY GOD.....it looks like the Hawks' goal-crease' is on fire in that graphic for God's sake!
This has been the Hawks D for a few years now...Crawford, Lehner, and Fleury have been covering up how awful it is for a while.

I don't want to pick on Toews, but when he gets salty about trading Hagel as though that's a signal of the team being in rebuild mode, part of me wants to say, "WTF is wrong with you? You're an NHL player....have you looked at the dman on this team? You think Hagel leaving was what tipped it from being a playoff team? You think the FO was trying their best to be contenders?"

The defense has been on a steep downslide since the last Cup. Guys aged out and were replaced with nothing or pure garbage. Prospects were chosen poorly or traded away. This team has had a borderline 1D (Keith/Jones) surrounded by a couple guys who on a good day are a 4, and literally a bunch of 5,6,7 for years now.
 

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This has been the Hawks D for a few years now...Crawford, Lehner, and Fleury have been covering up how awful it is for a while.

I don't want to pick on Toews, but when he gets salty about trading Hagel as though that's a signal of the team being in rebuild mode, part of me wants to say, "WTF is wrong with you? You're an NHL player....have you looked at the dman on this team? You think Hagel leaving was what tipped it from being a playoff team? You think the FO was trying their best to be contenders?"

The defense has been on a steep downslide since the last Cup. Guys aged out and were replaced with nothing or pure garbage. Prospects were chosen poorly or traded away. This team has had a borderline 1D (Keith/Jones) surrounded by a couple guys who on a good day are a 4, and literally a bunch of 5,6,7 for years now.
(Points finger)

You’re being nice.

Jones is a top pairing guy, and Murphy is a bottom pairing guy. Everyone else outside of Caleb who has promise should be valeting cars at a casino.
 

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yah we were talking about it in past . . . Hawks are a one line team . Toes can't carry the second line but is paid Kane money.

Hawks will never become good again til they find consistent 2nd line scoring. Dach or Reichel needs to become the guy who can carry Toes and the 2nd line. They need someone to step up. Kubalik could have been the guy. 30 goals to his name 2 seasons ago and just 12 this year with a paltry 13 assists. That is unacceptable!
Kane skates with two very effective linemates who are producing at close to a point a game and JT gets the leftovers but Kane's nonphysical,less demanding style of play has indeed left more thread on his tires than JT has on his.
 
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This has been the Hawks D for a few years now...Crawford, Lehner, and Fleury have been covering up how awful it is for a while.

I don't want to pick on Toews, but when he gets salty about trading Hagel as though that's a signal of the team being in rebuild mode, part of me wants to say, "WTF is wrong with you? You're an NHL player....have you looked at the dman on this team? You think Hagel leaving was what tipped it from being a playoff team? You think the FO was trying their best to be contenders?"

The defense has been on a steep downslide since the last Cup. Guys aged out and were replaced with nothing or pure garbage. Prospects were chosen poorly or traded away. This team has had a borderline 1D (Keith/Jones) surrounded by a couple guys who on a good day are a 4, and literally a bunch of 5,6,7 for years now.
I just think Toews saw a 23yro with talent,a set of balls and a kid who went harder than anyone....every shift get moved out and wondered why this isn't the type of player a rebuild would require. He also knew he'd miss him on his line.
Of course no one player makes this SHITSHOW a playoff team so why not trade everything that's not nailed down instead of just the good young player and the other low hanging fruit. Hagel DID fetch a good return and there's a good reason for that,I trust Tampa's FO and at least we'll get to watch the kid on national TV this spring and probably many more.........we'll see the reason TB made that trade then.

Right now as we speak,Seider and Jokiharju could be the team's 21 and 22yro top D-pair.........I'd be salty too.
 

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I just think Toews saw a 23yro with talent,a set of balls and a kid who went harder than anyone....every shift get moved out and wondered why this isn't the type of player a rebuild would require. He also knew he'd miss him on his line.
Of course no one player makes this SHITSHOW a playoff team so why not trade everything that's not nailed down instead of just the good young player and the other low hanging fruit. Hagel DID fetch a good return and there's a good reason for that,I trust Tampa's FO and at least we'll get to watch the kid on national TV this spring and probably many more.........we'll see the reason TB made that trade then.

Right now as we speak,Seider and Jokiharju could be the team's 21 and 22yro top D-pair.........I'd be salty too.
You could have had a top four of Seider, Joker, Seth, and Dobson.

That’s at least five extra wins and fighting for a playoff spot
 

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McCabe is useless. I can't believe we are stuck with this dude for 3 more years, he is an absolute disaster. I honestly can't ever recall a D-man reacting the way he did on Arizona's second goal, actually skating away from the player to give him a breakaway. It was almost impressive how pathetic and horrible of a play that was.
 

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McCabe strikes again. Completely useless and caught flat-footed after the Hawks won the face-off on Seattle's first goal. Then De Haan gives Eberle all the time in the world to get his shot off when he was in position to contest it for the second goal. I feel sorry for you if you subjected yourself to this entire game (as I did). The Hawks had a 5-on-3 for almost a full two minutes, with an extra two minutes after that (since the second penalty was a double-minor for high sticking), and they didn't get one shot off on the 5-on-3, and obviously didn't score on the 5-on-4 afterward. They essentially lost the game right there.

Fantastic game by Lankinen, pretty much the only bright spot. Jones and Kane rang it off the post in the same shift late in the game. At this point, Jones can't buy a goal to save his life. Not only did the Hawks lose to one of the worst teams in the league last night; they lost to one of the worst teams in the league that played the night before, while they were off the last three nights. Just when you think it can't get any worse, it does.
 

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