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I feel like do to the circumstances around this team, the constant argument over Rose combined with the perpetual hope "with a healthy Rose next year" and the other moves that have been made, Mirotic waited for, and Butler groomed, we often forget to talk about the lion with a champions heart who we have counted on and received whatever was required on every night the Bulls suit up.

Other players have gone down, Deng was lost for a crucial playoff series when Rose was already down, and others, and Noah played hurt, he's played when he's off, but you always can count on him to step up on nights like this when much seemed hopeless and everyone kind of has trepidation going in about points and defense and missing players....there will be Noah giving his 100% for his 33 minutes.

Its guys like him you can count on in the playoffs. He might take a game off at home against an inferior opponent, hell, maybe he takes them lightly. But he'll show up in the playoffs and fight and its going to be exciting to see that this year if he indeed gets a starting back court of Rose/Butler heading into the playoffs.

With a max effort Noah going for the playoffs, and why would we expect less? He does this all the time when he needs to and the team needs him to. Well, those moments happen in the playoffs. He'll be there.

And so will Gasol, whose offensive game is really in a groove and he will have been leading the way along with Mirotic and Brooks for points down the homestretch. Dunleavy will give you Dunleavy all the time anytime. He just drives at 85% cruise control and plays within himself with a governor anyway, but very smart. He impacts the game in several ways and focuses his offense like Noah on not disrupting the great offensive players, keeping the ball moving when he doesn't shoot, and putting the pressure on the defense to commit to stopping drive or pass at all times. He rebounds his position well, and his length seems ok to good at disrupting the opponent from 3. He won't take bad shots, though he will miss an occasional mid range or lay-up do to athleticism and fear of block. Like almost all Dukies, he plays basketball like he is tough as Nails even if his body is not. I believe Duke has the best mental drive yourself to be good coach in the league, a west point man who surely teaches them how to be mentally tough.

He plays the right way. With scorers around him Rose/Butler/Gasol he becomes a dangerous facilitator/4th scorer and in this way compliments the game of Noah who just wants to offensive rebound and pass. Dunleavy is frequently found the guy back to break up a fast break. He has good defensive awareness and knows what Thibs expects from everybody.

Even though this starting 5 has barely played together, I can't wait to see it if it happens. With a tuned up and primed from scoring Brooks/Mirotic/Gibson group coming off the bench in playoffs to give valuable scoring and change-up lineup opportunities,

there is a reason GarPax have made dire moves and non-moves to keep this group together in the fantasy we see them all together.

At least everyone has played, and guys that missed long stretches played with everybody else at some point, just not all together too often.

But they are used to playing there own rolls in all different lineups and situation and needs on a given night, so it will just be 5 veterans playing off each other and doing there job in a formation they aren't as used to as they could be.

I hope we get them all together for about a week before playoffs, but its likely you have to be resting Gasol or Noah at that time.
 

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noah is the man, there is no doubt about that. anyone who has doubted him(as some on here have) just don't understand basketball and what he truly brings to the table
 

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noah is the man, there is no doubt about that. anyone who has doubted him(as some on here have) just don't understand basketball and what he truly brings to the table

I agree. However, that doesn't mean the Bulls shouldn't listen to a team willing to give up young talent/assets for him this off-season.
 

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noah is the man, there is no doubt about that. anyone who has doubted him(as some on here have) just don't understand basketball and what he truly brings to the table

i think folks doubted him because he didn't look the same

everybody knows what he brings to the table
 

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Coach K is not as great as the OP of this thread thinks he is...Dunleavy's game and approach may be more Dunleavy than Coach K.
I would rather see more consistency from Noah before acting as if he is some great pillar of strength come playoff time. I have not seen the Noah the OP speaks of this season.
 

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Noah is the man. He should always be the final starter introduced at every home game, and get the biggest ovation. Not Rose.
 

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i think folks doubted him because he didn't look the same

everybody knows what he brings to the table

and that was an overreaction by a lot of people in the first half of the season. everyone knew he had surgery in the offseason and that it was going to take time for his game to come together again. anyone with common sense knew ahead of time he wasn't going to look as good or be as good in the beginning of the year
 

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Coach K is not as great as the OP of this thread thinks he is...Dunleavy's game and approach may be more Dunleavy than Coach K.
I would rather see more consistency from Noah before acting as if he is some great pillar of strength come playoff time. I have not seen the Noah the OP speaks of this season.



No, but he is getting there. He sure as hell makes the all-heart team when he is out there. I loved the number that he did on Nene yesterday. Noah took a lot of crap from Nene in the games immediately after coming back from major surgery including a lot of cheap shots from the Wiz. He labored through it, didn't whine like a ***** like Pierce does, and continued on with his recovery. He's not 100% yet and even at 100% his game isn't pretty. But he is the heart of the team which feeds off of his energy.
 

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I agree. However, that doesn't mean the Bulls shouldn't listen to a team willing to give up young talent/assets for him this off-season.

I get your reasoning and logic here. but this offseason IMO the bulls should look into trading Gibson, not noah. thatd open up more playing time for niko at the 4 and hopefully the bulls could net a solid 2 way wing player in the trade of gibson
 

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Coach K is not as great as the OP of this thread thinks he is...Dunleavy's game and approach may be more Dunleavy than Coach K.
I would rather see more consistency from Noah before acting as if he is some great pillar of strength come playoff time. I have not seen the Noah the OP speaks of this season.

then I don't think you've been watching the recent games. noah besides just looking better moving around on the court, it also shows up in his stats. he has been back to flirting with triple doubles again lately
 

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I agree. However, that doesn't mean the Bulls shouldn't listen to a team willing to give up young talent/assets for him this off-season.

You're talking out of both sides of your mouth here. Noah means a lot more to the Bulls than he does to other teams. And the idea they'd be offered something worth trading for is far fetched.
 

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Noah is the man. He should always be the final starter introduced at every home game, and get the biggest ovation. Not Rose.


Agreed. When I think of all time great Bulls, I put him ahead of Rose. I remember the Boston series in 2009. He didn't have any big splash 30 point games but he did all the dirty work every game. Plus, many here would look at stat lines and tell you Lopez is the better center. In that game 7 against the Nets, the Bulls won because they had Noah and the Nets didn't and he made Lopez look like he's just some guy. And one of the reasons that was so satisfying is because on paper, we had no right to think the Bulls should win that series. But guys like him can make that big of a difference.

There's this saying that everyone is replaceable as long as you have someone to replace them. I really don't see us being offered anything that makes it worth trading him.
 

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You're talking out of both sides of your mouth here. Noah means a lot more to the Bulls than he does to other teams. And the idea they'd be offered something worth trading for is far fetched.

He's less than one year removed from a Defensive Player of the Year award. He's less than one year removed from LEADING THE LEAGUE in triple doubles AS A CENTER. He's less than one year removed from being one of 3 Centers All-Time to average over 10ppg, 10rpg, & 5apg for season. He's less than one year removed from making All-NBA 1st team. You are way undervaluing Noah. Teams WILL offer something for him for sure.
 

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He's less than one year removed from a Defensive Player of the Year award. He's less than one year removed from LEADING THE LEAGUE in triple doubles AS A CENTER. He's less than one year removed from being one of 3 Centers All-Time to average over 10ppg, 10rpg, & 5apg for season. He's less than one year removed from making All-NBA 1st team. You are way undervaluing Noah. Teams WILL offer something for him for sure.

I didn't say they'd offer nothing. I said they wouldn't be offered anything that makes it worth trading him. And you just did a good job making the case for that.
 

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I didn't say they'd offer nothing. I said they wouldn't be offered anything that makes it worth trading him. And you just did a good job making the case for that.

Yea I kind of realized that after I posted. It was hard to tell at first what you were getting at.

I still think they could get some good talent for him but yeah would it be equal in return, all likelihood it wouldn't be.
 

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Yea I kind of realized that after I posted. It was hard to tell at first what you were getting at.

I still think they could get some good talent for him but yeah would it be equal in return, all likelihood it wouldn't be.
Getting a decent center in return would be difficult. It would have to be a young prospect (bench player) who could possibly blossom into a player some day.. Think the Ben Wallace trade when Detroit did the sign and trade with Orlando involving Grant Hill. The additional key aspect would be a 1st round draft pick as well. I'm sure it'd be protected in some sense, but a team may do a deal of such. All in all don't expect immediate results in any Noah trade though.
 

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You're talking out of both sides of your mouth here. Noah means a lot more to the Bulls than he does to other teams. And the idea they'd be offered something worth trading for is far fetched.

What do you mean? The guy is a good defender, a very good rebounder, a great passer for a big man, and doesn't take plays off. Pair him with a couple of guards who can cut to the basket and he'd be a golden addition to a team.
 

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What do you mean? The guy is a good defender, a very good rebounder, a great passer for a big man, and doesn't take plays off. Pair him with a couple of guards who can cut to the basket and he'd be a golden addition to a team.

The Bulls should be expecting one of those guards who cut to the basket, but the other team won't offer that. It will be a bunch of "stuff" that's not worth it.
 

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then I don't think you've been watching the recent games. noah besides just looking better moving around on the court, it also shows up in his stats. he has been back to flirting with triple doubles again lately

I've watched games...since the beginning of February...he is barely shooting 40% from the field. So I will wait to see him play at a higher level on a consistent basis.
 

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I've watched games...since the beginning of February...he is barely shooting 40% from the field. So I will wait to see him play at a higher level on a consistent basis.

Ha! He doesn't have the shot volume for this kind of absurdity--not even in attempt at parody.
 

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